There is hope:Boys and men must be included in the conversation on equality -the guardian

2012-03-23T03:58:51+00:00

As Alan Greig has so eloquently put it, it's not about bringing men in by talking to them nicely and making sure they're not put off: it's about naming male privilege, and getting men engaged in holding other men to account.

plain as day here: It's not about helping men. It's about making them obey.

2012-03-23T10:33:03+00:00

This article seemed like it might be promising at the start. But it quickly devolved into typical feminist nonsense, where the answer to the problems of men and boys is making them better feminists:

As Alan Greig has so eloquently put it, it's not about bringing men in by talking to them nicely and making sure they're not put off: it's about naming male privilege, and getting men engaged in holding other men to account.

Around the world, we're seeing work that's inspired by an agenda for change that doesn't leave boys and men out of the equation – mobilising men to stop violence against women, and challenging and changing men's attitudes to intimate relationships and fatherhood.

While men around the world are subject to enormous levels of violence, poor education, poor health, and hopeless economic conditions, the answer in the gynocentric feminist's view is that men should do more for women.

turinturambar · 2012-03-23T02:24:41+00:00

Womankind welcomes work in mobilising men and boys towards gender equality – yet much of the focus so far has been around addressing men’s violent behaviour and promoting change in their personal relationships. Evaluation of such programmes targeting men too often relies on self-reporting, rather than also consulting with women about the changes in men’s behaviour.

Someone doesn't get it.

2012-03-23T04:02:05+00:00

Girls themselves are making these connections. In a couple of weeks' time, the women's fund Mama Cash is sponsoring an exchange between high school girl students from Chile and Nicaragua. What's on their agenda? Not Girl Power, but tackling gender stereotypes in the curriculum and advocating for better sexuality education for young people. Mama Cash programme officer Alejandra Sarda reflected: "They don't have this separation between genders. You just don't see it. They have problems that need to be addressed. But they also see that boys have to be part of the conversation. We can learn a lot from how they're organising."

it's astounding how little they see.

they're hosting "high school girl students" and telling the boldfaced lie that 'they don't have this separation between genders."

Lecks · 2012-03-23T08:49:15+00:00

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G-O · 2012-03-23T06:43:18+00:00

Another article that started off promising and then tanked into solution more feminism/man up.

Erebus77 · 2012-03-23T17:34:29+00:00

I found the language in this article to be incredibly condescending.

Title	There is hope:Boys and men must be included in the conversation on equality -the guardian
Author	cranecj
Upvotes	21
Comments	12
Date	March 23, 2012 2:08 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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