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Man was sentenced to fifteen years in prison for not stopping until ten or fifteen seconds after he was told to.

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September 28, 2011

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http://www.courts.state.md.us/opinions/cosa/2006/225s05.pdf

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Title	Man was sentenced to fifteen years in prison for not stopping until ten or fifteen seconds after he was told to.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	8
Comments	43
Date	September 28, 2011 11:40 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ktzog/man_was_sentenced_to_fifteen_years_in_prison_for/
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changing my argument is totally kosher, whereas changing the situation we're arguing about is called "moving the goalposts".

No, they're both moving the goal posts. You can't reasonably expect someone to respond to a point you haven't made yet and then criticise them on that basis, but then I suspect you know that given your documented history of unwillingness to think critically when faced with ideological opposition.

That being said, you still haven't said how he "completely" changed the situation in the hypothetical, you've merely claimed it's unrealistic. That may be true, but it has nothing to do with your allegation that he significantly changed the situation to better fit his argument.

seriously if you don't understand "stop" then you should never have sex ever

Seriously, if you don't understand "context" then you should never have arguments ever. The lack of understanding he referred to was subjective and situational, not a general statement of inability to comprehend issues of consent. People in mid-coitus are rarely clear-headed and as such may not immediately register and understand things said to them. This isn't particularly complex, you're simply misrepresenting his point.

[–]barbadosslim 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, they're both moving the goal posts. You can't reasonably expect someone to respond to a point you haven't made yet and then criticise them on that basis, but then I suspect you know that given your documented history of unwillingness to think critically when faced with ideological opposition.

Using more than one argument is not a logical fallacy.

I suspect you know that given your documented history of unwillingness to think critically when faced with ideological opposition.

Ok, and you're a shithead who posts in a sexist internet forum.

That being said, you still haven't said how he "completely" changed the situation in the hypothetical, you've merely claimed it's unrealistic.

I guess his point about temporarily not understanding "stop" was so fuckin stupid I glazed over it the first time. My bad.

Seriously, if you don't understand "context" then you should never have arguments ever. The lack of understanding he referred to was subjective and situational, not a general statement of inability to comprehend issues of consent. People in mid-coitus are rarely clear-headed and as such may not immediately register and understand things said to them. This isn't particularly complex, you're simply misrepresenting his point.

If you cannot understand the word "stop" in the context of having sex, then you should never have sex. That is exactly the context where you definitely need to understand "stop". I'm not misrepresenting anyone's point.

Seriously, "but I was so horny" or "but I was in the zone" is not a defense to ignoring non-consent.

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Uhh... not necessarily. If I'm a second away from climax and the girl says stop and I climax, that does not make it rape. I am sure most anyone who is not an "all men are rapist" feminist will agree that a man continuing for 15-30 seconds does not constitute rape. To me it is obvious from the jury's questions posted that they really did not want to find this kid guilty but felt they were bound to do so because of the letter of the law,

Of course the feminist crowd would say I raped my ex-wife the first time we had sex because we spent over an discussing how it wasn't a good idea for us to have sex and how she didn't want to have sex with me because of x,y and z at the conclusion of the conversation we both verbally affirmed that we were not going to have sex. Shut the light off and were making out within 30 seconds and fucking like rabbits in under 2 minutes.

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And then he stopped.

Note this is after she:

*Stayed in the car despite them asking them to get a motel room and then asked them if they wanted to drive around and showed the two girls condoms

*After her friend decided she did not want to accompany them and got out of the car

*After she had sex with the other boy for ~30 minutes Told the boy in question he could if he stopped when she asked them to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure to the girl it felt horrible and she probably did feel raped, but to the boys I don't think you can attribute and motive for rape. He even stated that he would stop when asked because "I don't want to rape you" They were normal horny adolescents and sure the girl might have felt pressured but her friend who was with them earlier felt the same thing and got out of the car which they didn't try to stop her from doing in anyway. She said stop and he stopped, sure it took him a few seconds, but he stopped.

I should also add that I am the father to 3 daughters and I'd be pissed as hell if any boy did this to them and I'd certainly get them into counseling, but I would not take it to the police.

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