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After 16 women came forward to say that Arnold Schwarzenegger had groped them in the past, 43% of female voters voted for him in the succeeding election, and his wife "stood by him"

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Here is the story this nugget is from What d you think of women like these, my fellow r/menright'ers? To be more precise, are these post-feminism women...

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May 22, 2011

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Title	After 16 women came forward to say that Arnold Schwarzenegger had groped them in the past, 43% of female voters voted for him in the succeeding election, and his wife "stood by him"
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	7
Comments	29
Date	May 22, 2011 8:45 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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If you look at things from an evo-psyche perspective, it makes sense that unwanted sexual contact would be shrugged off by guys and be the WORST THING EVER for a lot of women.

Our sexual instincts are still largely straight from the cave. A place where a man's investment in his offspring (if he chose) were a few million sperm that regenerate constantly--if he didn't want to pair bond with the woman because she was not up to his standard, he could walk away. The child might or might not survive, but since he'd invested so little it wasn't much to him. Sex with a partner not up to snuff was not something bad--it was casting a seed into the wind. Maybe it would take, maybe it wouldn't.

For a woman, she only has so many shots at the target, only so many viable eggs, and every pregnancy carries not only the risk of death but a HUGE investment of resources on her part--especially if the man walks away. For her, sex with a partner not up to snuff means one of her limited shots at the reproductive targets might be wasted (if she gets pregnant), she gets to risk her life and health carrying a child fathered by a man not of her choosing, and be stuck looking after it once it's born.

I think that's part of why men don't view physical sexual contact from women they don't want in the same way as women view physical sexual contact from men THEY don't want.

Just my thoughts on it.

[–]fondueguy 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

so little it wasn't much to him… For a woman, she only has so many shots at the target, only so many viable eggs, and every pregnancy carries not only the risk of death but a HUGE investment of resources on her part--especially if the man walks away. For her, sex with a partner not up to snuff means one of her limited shots at the reproductive targets might be wasted (if she gets pregnant), she gets to risk her life and health carrying a child fathered by a man not of her choosing, and be stuck looking after it once it's born.

Its true that pregnancy costs women more but as for the one shot thing... men aren't all alpha males. They can't all just find another women. It takes one man and and one woman to make a kid and overall men are limited by women's eggs too. If some men have more options (alpha) then some men have even less opportunities.

want to pair bond...

Not sure about that jump. More women have groped me than the reverse and I've seen more women groping than the reverse (when it comes to strangers). I would not buy into the idea of women being very cautious about who they sexually engage, butwrong to say that sexual attention to women is about pair bonding (especially when you consider sperm competition and cockulding).

I don't know just looking around I see women dressed very sexual, probably growling more, and as for sex drive... imagine if they were taught like men.

[–]girlwriteswhat 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about opportunities per se. I'm talking about risk/cost. In evo-psych terms, if a man is forced to have sex with a woman he doesn't want to have sex with, all it has to cost him a few sperm and he doesn't risk his life or be unable to produce another baby for another 1-3 years. Unwanted sexual congress does not translate into a huge risk/enormous cost scenario for a man if Alice the Goon has her way with him. A man could choose to pair bond and put some investment into the child, or not. If he didn't pair bond with her, the incident wouldn't cost him anything biologically.

Whether a woman wants a pair bond with a man or not is irrelevant, because she's the one stuck with the baby. The risk is the same whether he bonds with her or not, and the costs not entirely mitigated by his contribution--so it's all about the presumed fitness of the man as evidenced by whether she wants to have sex with him or not. A woman who's forced to have sex with someone she doesn't want to means she could be having a baby fathered by someone not up to her genetic standard--that means she's risking her life and health and will be unable to have another baby for 1-3 years. All for a sub-par baby she's now stuck with, whether they guy sticks around and helps or not. That's a huge potential biological risk and enormous potential cost for one sexual encounter she didn't want to have happen.

The pair bonding question is largely relevant because back in the cave, the guy could walk away from the consequences if he wanted to but the woman couldn't.

Keep in mind also that back in the cave death from childbirth was more likely, protecting and sheltering a child more difficult (especially without help), and a mother's ability to vet the father for his fitness (by whatever criteria she might use) was paramount to a baby's survival. Worst thing in the world would be to risk your life and waste a shot on a baby that was a dud from the get-go.

I would actually think that a woman who's dressed really slutty might have a more serious psychological reaction to being raped, simply because dressing slutty would indicate she's actively trying to get sexual attention from the top males. If her instinctive strategy is to consider pair bonding with a reliable male secondary to mating with a specific type of guy, then a man's genetic contribution is the paramount one to her. Which would make the prospect of having a genetically inferior baby more onerous to her, and make a rape more psychologically damaging.

[–]fondueguy 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well my point is that women don't have less overall opportunities and that the only difference between the man an the woman is the pregnancy part.

will be unable to have another baby for 1-3 years.

Only 9 months, after that their the same. Remember that men only have as many opportunities as women. On that basis the baby is worth it, another better baby isn't likely to cone soon, or not, a better baby is likely to come soon. Keep in mind that when women die men loose all the babies she would have had too.

If you say she might as well keep the baby for 3 years then I assume he probably should too, because the tradeoff is having to wait for the next one which is equally likely for the both of them. If he is committed to that then it means he will have to work harder to provide for the newborn which risks his own life. Also keep in mind that even during her pregnancy his chances of impregnating another female have been reduced because other women may know about his child and because other men will have one less woman as an option (the tribe is probably small).

Therefore the differences in forced sex should not be that big from a reproductive pov.

(I was only looking at the reproductive pov like you and thus ignored a woman's fear of death. But... Men can actually die too and I won't try to look beyond reproduction).

I would actually think that a woman who's dressed really slutty might have a more serious psychological reaction to being raped,

Huuuh, I hadn't thought of that. I usually just thought that as,women became more slutty they'd care less about unwanted sexual attention because sex is cheapened... But maybe the sluts aren't lowering their standards but raising them on their own way that is. As in impulsive but very definite.

[–]girlwriteswhat 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually, if we're talking about unwanted sexual contact, the guy has another potential opportunity as soon as he sees one. I'm not talking about pair-bonding here. Look at the most extreme example of the numbers I'm talking about here--polygamous marriage. Do you really think any individual wife has the same number of shots at reproducing as the husband? Women do indeed have a finite number of opportunities to reproduce.

Forced sex may also have a biological basis as a particular reproductive strategy. A man could potentially pair bond with one woman and rape all the other women in the tribe just to spread more seeds without investing more time and resources. The shame and secrecy surrounding rape (women not wanting to tell) may even be an instinctive way the rape victim protects the rapist's baby (which is also hers) from her own partner.

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This came to my mind.

The point is that this area of the body is particularly sensitive and purposefully guarded, which is why most men are grateful that it remains safely hidden. It is not designed for entry. If it is not entered carefully when volition permits, it is extraordinarily painful. How painful? Let me give you an idea: If you ever get inflammation in that area, and your intention is to use your bowels for their intended purpose, be prepared to feel as if the bottom half of your body is going to fall off. Also be prepared to seriously consider death as an alternative option to any prolongation of the pain. I am not exaggerating. I have experienced that just from being sick. I am not a rape victim, yet the pain almost made me faint. How much worse is it for a man who has no sexual interest in men, who has safely hidden that vulnerable area for three or four decades, who has never experienced any sort of entry, to undergo such an ordeal at the hands of another man who is using one of the most private parts of his own body?

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