2% False Rape Lie Spread Again. And Apparently "preponderance of evidence" is used to send people to prison? Feminists prove once again how good they are with facts.

Fatalistic · 2011-04-18T20:12:24+00:00

All of the typical feminist canards and manipulation as well. Huge, unsupported percentage claim of unreporting as well as emotional blackmail in the form of "Don't you CARE for rape survivors?", etc.

numb3rb0y · 2011-04-19T02:50:04+00:00

Putting aside the lies, if anyone ever needs an example of why feminism is evil, you can just point to illiberal crap like this and ask why a "good" ideology would be cheering for the termination of due process.

Aavagadrro · 2011-04-19T00:16:12+00:00

Ya know, I might feel differently about this had I not been falsely accused of raping someone. I wouldnt let her drive my car around while she was drunk, and the next morning I was a rapist.

NUMBERS2357 · 2011-04-19T05:54:38+00:00

If 51% is enough to expel the accused, an accuser with a 51% chance of lying should also be expelled, no?

modix · 2011-04-18T23:26:47+00:00

Obviously this wasn't written by the law school. No journal would let such a hole-ridden, uneducated opinion laden, long term policy-free article hit print. Yuck. I'm pretty sure they'll not be printing a counterpoint if they let that go through.

aetheralloy · 2011-04-19T02:57:48+00:00

In fairness, the witch hunts did get rid of all the witches who were hurting people with their magic. 1 in 4 people were being hexed and having horrible things happen to them. So a few witches, I mean people, who weren't actually casting hexes got killed too. Wasn't it worth killing all the wrong people in order to get the actual witches?

2011-04-19T15:24:15+00:00

I find it astonishing that a university professor would suggest mere 'expulsion from the university' as an excuse to lower the standard of proof for punishing alleged rape cases. Expulsion means considerable financial hardship, social stigma, a record that will follow someone for their entire academic and work career, not to mention the possibility of psychological trama to the expelled person. If a person committed said crime beyond a reasonable doubt, then the punishment is justified.

But mere 'preponderance of evidence'? What if the preponderance of evidence on day one is that the student committed the crime, but is later exonerated by the justice system? How will the university do right by that person? Isn't this just an admission that universities don't have the skills and resources to get to the bottom and find out if an accused rapist is really guilty?

The irony of an academic institution working to lower standards of proof aside, maybe we should just simply admit that universities have no business inserting themselves into the profession of forensics and police work. The Duke University case demonstrates that universities should leave the business of being judge and jury to the courts, and take no action against alleged - and I do mean alleged - criminals until proven guilty in a court of law.

The university should also have a policy that if a student is expelled on 'preponderance of evidence' they committed a sex crime, and is later exonerated in the criminal justice system, said student have their record of expulsion expunged immediately and be readmitted to the university promptly and without delay, should the student request it.

newsyneighbor · 2011-04-19T16:01:06+00:00

I suppose I'm about to get downvoted all to hell, but here goes. Feminism is about equal rights for women. Not punishing men. This moron spouting unprovable statistics does not represent feminism. She may even think that she does, but Feminism is not about stripping rights from people. Feminism is about equal treatment, fostering self esteem, and pissing off people like Rush Limbau.

Bobsutan · 2011-04-18T20:59:29+00:00

Feel free to enlighten them. I can't post from work, but here's some info you can use on MR's behalf:

Source of the 2% false rape claim figure:

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=4838

Sources of 40-50% false rape claim figures:

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159 http://www.americandaily.com/article/5075

"According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (â€œArchives of Sexual Behavior,â€ Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser. ... Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false. ... According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate erroneous accusations and convictions." (that's 40% for those not counting) ... That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of â€œSexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,â€ says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen.""

More info:

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html

http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/informative-sources.html

cuteman · 2011-04-18T22:45:43+00:00

We also brought up the issue of how our high standard differed from those used in domestic violence courts. In these cases, courts use a standard of “Preponderance of the Evidence,” or about a 51 percent chance that the assault or abuse occurred. And in these cases, people are often at risk of prison sentences. However, at Stanford, the most that can happen is expulsion from the University, not nearly the same punishment. As such, our former system of “Beyond a Reasonable Doubt” was wholly inappropriate when considering how actual criminal courts prosecute sexual assault and relationship abuse.

Last time I checked sexual assault was a criminal legal issue, not a civil issue. She wants to reduce a serious legal matter to a coin flip!

I believe that a committee hearing should not even take place if the police do not make an arrest as an arrest requires "probable cause" which is a lower burden than "perponderance of the evidence". Asserting that perponderance of a volunteer committee that does not typically hear sexual assault cases is more sophisticated in judgement than a professional investigation by the police is rediculous.

Student conduct commitees usually hear cases of professors catching a student cheating or a campus security office catching someone smoking cannabis. They are ill-equipt to handle such an investigation of such a serious matter. Would the student conduct committee hear a murder case? Sounds crazy doesnt it? It's a slightly more sophisticated administrative process than a high school and they want to seriously try sexual assault cases?

This is the definition of "domestic violence court" issues that a domestic violence court handles:

criminal domestic violence cases and related family issues, such as custody, visitation, civil protection orders, and matrimonial actions.

Not exactly in the same ballpark as an alleged sexual assault...

I feel sorry for men in a university setting currently, it is a terrible time to be one. You better watch your back and make sure you get a notorized consent before even looking at a female.

It's going to take some rich family's son being accused before this type of thing really gets challenged in court isn't it?

Where are all the strong male voices on this issue at Stanford?

Celda · 2011-04-18T21:44:48+00:00

The changing of the standard of proof is a victory for anyone who believes in eradicating sexual violence from college campuses.

Fuck this liar, really pisses me off to see someone celebrating the ability to throw guys under the bus for revenge. I posted there and debunked all her lies. More people should come in and refute this.

barbadosslim · 2011-04-18T23:20:21+00:00

misleading title

"Preponderance of evidence" is not used to send people to prison, it is used to expel people/fire people from Stanford. This is totally reasonable.

Imagine your boss saying, "Well I think you probably did rape that person, but since there's no proof, I guess I can't fire you." That would be unreasonable.

Title	2% False Rape Lie Spread Again. And Apparently "preponderance of evidence" is used to send people to prison? Feminists prove once again how good they are with facts.
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Date	April 18, 2011 7:49 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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