Should violence against women in the UK be seen as hate crime? | openDemocracy

CuntSmellersLLP · 2010-11-30T16:53:04+00:00

If violence against women is seen as a hate crime then hate crime will have a new meaning.

A crime against anyone but a white hetrosexual male

Bobsutan · 2010-11-30T17:17:01+00:00

hate crime = thought crime

How's about we make crime.... crime? Why someone does something bad should't play into it for the most part. Otherwise you open the can of worms of unequal punishments for the same crimes. Oh wait....

thetrollking · 2010-11-30T18:28:39+00:00

So that's how the feminists plan to continue the double-standard.

If both men & women commit DV - the man will be punished worse, because his was a "hate crime"

If a woman goes specifically after men - that still isn't a hate crime, because "women can't commit hate crimes against men"

Clever, feminists. Very clever.

2010-11-30T18:54:36+00:00

No, hate crimes are stupid, what violent crime isn't motivated by some sort of malice or hate?

Every crime should be assesed on the merits of the case, establishing the intent and the act and then formulating a suitable correction.

In theory we only need a handful of laws, more is not neccesirly better.

zaferk · 2010-11-30T18:55:18+00:00

I'll just leave this here.

pcarvious · 2010-11-30T19:16:26+00:00

Using one sociopath to base changes in law is completely and totally stupid. The guy already illustrates obsessive violent behavior against women. That's just his M/O. He could have killed men just as easily.

Il128 · 2010-11-30T16:24:04+00:00

Isn't any violent crime pretty much a hate crime?

MrMercurial · 2010-11-30T18:32:54+00:00

The concept of hate crimes only make sense to me if the point is to reflect the fact that the effects of certain crimes go beyond victims themselves and impact on larger groups in certain ways. So, for example, if you are a gay man and a gang is going around your neighbourhood attacking gay men while shouting homophobic insults etc., then that’s probably going to have a psychological impact on you beyond what would be the case if the attacks were simply random assaults.

If you’re going to use that sort of logic, though, then you have to at least be consistent about it. You can’t just allow for hate crimes against gay people or women, you also have to allow for hate crimes against heterosexuals and men, and so on. The latter sort may occur less frequently, but the same standards have to apply everywhere.

FreddyDeus · 2010-11-30T18:05:01+00:00

Isn't any violent crime pretty much a hate crime?

No, it isn't. It's fucking absurd that you suggest as much. When a bank robber points a gun at a bank teller before demanding cash, is THAT a hate crime?

No it fucking isn't.

When a mugger hits an old lady over the head to steal her pension, should we automatically assume he HATES old ladies? No, of course we fucking shouldn't.

Should a man who's lived for many years with a verbally, emotionally and occasionally violent women be regarded as a HATER if his composure finally snaps and he slaps the women around the face? No, fuck no.

This is the continued curse of political correctness, where we're constantly compelled to define select portions of the community as victims and other portions of the community as aggressors, transgressors and perpetrators of 'crimes'.

Title	Should violence against women in the UK be seen as hate crime? \| openDemocracy
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	2
Comments	25
Date	November 30, 2010 4:22 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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