A Woman's Right To Choose

thetrollking · 2010-10-19T21:30:30+00:00

But, alas, a month later Jane calls up Dick and informs him that she returned to the dealership after their test drive and purchased the Corvette, signing a 4 year lease with payments of $1,300 a month

This is where your metaphor breaks down. The fact that the woman (as it turns out) became pregnant is not nearly the same situation as her deciding rationally later to go procure a child. In case you forgot, the sex created the baby. This would be more like if the dealership had a special deal: you can test drive, but one out of every 100 people who test-drive have to keep the car. They "drove" together, and together "made" the lease.

But, is this not the exact situation we are now presented with since “women have the right to choose?"

Nope. As much as I believe that the woman should be responsible for the child (should she keep it), the man should be as well. You're asking to punish an innocent child for having the temerity to be born to parents who didn't really want it. Awesome.

a woman may have a fertilized egg inside of her as a result using her sexuality with a man

Okay, I tried to just read past this kind of thing, but you use the expression about a dozen times, and it really grates on me. The woman has a fertilized egg inside of her as a result of consensual sexual activity. Unless she had sex with the man against his will, he made just as much positive choice to create the embryo.

The question is only whether the ability for a woman to abort creates an unfair scenario.

We have three interested parties here. Let's go in order.

Women: The women here are not able to give up their responsibility by keeping the child. She can nullify both party's responsibility, or keep both parties responsible. If she gives birth, she has grave responsibility (save for giving up the child for adoption, which functions to remove both her and the father's responsibility). Her fortunes are tied to the man's.
Men. The man did willfully create the child. He had sex with a woman without (a) a condom (incidentally men have access to spermicide), (b) a vasectomy, or (c) non-vaginal sex. Incidentally, the forms of birth control which exist (which benefit both partners) mostly for women because that's how to make them effective, but I digress. The man can make sure the woman is on one form or another of birth control (and I'll agree that if she lies it should be a different analysis). He is just as responsible to the child. Either both parties are responsible to the child or the child does not exist. It is equitable in that sense.

The only argument you have is that the woman can decide whether to force the couple to have responsibilities or not. Perhaps that's unfair, but really only becomes a problem if the child is being conceived (with sex coming at the will, even behest, of the man) between two people who aren't in a good relationship (you know, one where a couple makes decisions together).

The Child. How in the world do you decide that a man who has created a child (his sperm is half the DNA, remember) doesn't owe that child some modicum of support? I can't fathom it, honest to god.

InfinitelyThirsting · 2010-10-20T01:47:46+00:00

I'm completely in favour of financial "abortion" in places where abortion is readily available, with certain caveats. But this article is trash. Accidentally getting pregnant and deciding to keep it is not the same as getting inseminated. Accepting what life throws at you is not the same as chasing after it.

The article even talks about how a lot of people are morally opposed to abortion. In which case it certainly isn't the same as choosing to get inseminated. If a woman is opposed to abortion, she should make that clear to the man before sex, and then he would have to accept the possibility of supporting an accidental child before sleeping with said woman.

Also, a pregnancy is a pregnancy. Terminating a pregnancy is always terminating a pregnancy; pregnancy does not start after conception. What is up in the air is when a developing embryo/fetus is a person, and when it is still a parasite. And yes, when it comes to abortion versus an outside person terminating the pregnancy, there is a HUGE difference. Saying there isn't is like saying that there's no difference between the surgical removal of a limb by doctors with the patient's consent, and someone running up and sawing your arm off on the street.

Edit: I also dislike how this article assumes that any woman who gets pregnant has ended up that way by not using birth control, completely ignoring that birth control can fail, both with perfect use and through human error (messing it up is stupid and one must take responsibility for it, but it isn't the same as just not using it at all). And that only women ever, even without birth control, are responsible for pregnancies. It takes two to tango, especially if both parties know there is no birth control in place, like back in the day. The men don't get a free pass just because they're not the ones carrying the baby. I want men to have the same freedoms as women, but it doesn't mean they don't have the same base responsibility.

esulcer · 2010-10-20T03:16:40+00:00

The article makes clear that it is not an infant until the woman chooses it is not garbage,it is not "his" until she decides not to send it out for adoption.All the choices are the females,none are the males,only responsibility AFTER the woman decides it is a "babie"not trash.

DiggingNoMore · 2010-10-19T21:17:18+00:00

An excellent article. Thanks for sharing.

</not sarcasm, despite sounding like a typical sarcastic statement.>

esulcer · 2010-10-19T20:48:32+00:00

Best article ever that illustrates that women have rights while men have responsibilities

Title	A Woman's Right To Choose
Author	esulcer
Upvotes	0
Comments	7
Date	October 19, 2010 8:44 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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