Is there a pendulum of gender rights advocacy? Is it shifting?

buddhone · 2020-12-28T09:15:31+00:00

Hard to say, but I agree that i start seeing more and more people realizing what modern feminism is and more reddit and instagram posts acknowledging men's issues.

mhandanna · 2020-12-28T15:52:28+00:00

MRA is become much more mainstream, many people not in MRA world are talking about it, with large followings. There is a movement of anti woeness that is very large, it is very linked to MRA and gains support. E.g. Gad Saad, Dave Rubin (both these guys even interviewed Karen Straughan), even Joe Rogan with 100 million weekly downloads has CHsommers on and knows about mens issues

Karen Straughan says her work on radios etc is far more mainstream, more on the right than the left, but the know exactly what issues are and its not surprising to them

Dunkolunko · 2020-12-28T11:17:15+00:00

Feminism is getting more entrenched in the mainstream and in official institutions every day. However along with that is a rising tide of antifeminists who havd caught on to the bullshit as it becomes more egregious. I think we're 5 years to a decade away from a time where feminisn has lost a massive amount of power, along with other forms of ID politics.

SociaFu · 2020-12-28T13:00:32+00:00

Both men and women face unrealistic societal expectations, and as we progress, it's only natural that both will be challenged at some point. I honestly think that it's even inevitable as a leftist to do so.

Men face a plethora of problems, which are often downplayed or not taken really seriously when compared to women's struggles in "Mainstream discourse" and popular culture (My personal impressions). Concepts such as Toxic Masculinity are often described as a Men-only phenomenon, but it's something that women fire as well. I've had encountered women who expected me to fulfill the traditional gender role. Back then it filled me with tons of anxiety because I simply do not fit the traditional gender role, and it def. left wounds in my self-esteem. I don't know shit about cars, I have two left hands when it comes to craftsmanship, I'm generally very mediative and not dominative at all, I'm quite shy (Social Anxiety), etc. There is more, but these are some of the expectations, that the women I met put on me. While being good with cars is not Toxic Masculinity, it is def. sexist of them to expect me to be able to repair and tinker with cars, simply because a have a dick. Being dominative and pushing are def. Toxic Masculinity IMO and in some of these cases, these expectations were put on me by women. And I'd argue it's not a very small and obscure number of women who do that, it's a big societal and cultural problem in my culture (Germany) in general. The belief that women want strong and pushing types is strong in my region because it's actually a thing lots of men experienced during their lifes. I'm glad I've been able to see through these shallow Gender Concepts, and I'm happy I was able to free myself from them. Gender really is a social construct (Gender and Sex are not the same things), but it's a construct that is held up by society as a whole - so, men AND women. Women face unrealistic and oppressive societal expectations, and so do men. (I could spin this further into a critique of Capitalism, but that would be way too much text right now).

This aspect is ignored way too often in Mainstream and Feminist discourse. These things are absolutely real, but they are simply ignored in the mainstream discourse. The impression that many people - especially young men - get from that, is that their struggles and that their problems simply don't matter or matter less. This has the positive side effect of Men Rights becoming more popular, but it also feeds well into a lot of Far-Right narratives, and the Far-Right lurks on men frustrated by the one-sided discourse. I mean, what do these people expect? Tell the young men struggling with anxiety, trying to somehow survive in the ruthless and inhumane capitalist society, possibly dealing with ostracization and exclusion to "shut the fuck up", because he may have better chances (Statistically) to get into a better paying job, and expect him to just accept it? Tell the poor worker, surviving from paycheck to paycheck every month, that he is super privileged and has no right to demand change, to demand that society becomes kinder to him, to demand that his struggles are not always downplayed, simply because he has a dick? That's beyond fucked up, and the people responsible for this still have the nerve, to act all surprised and shocked by the rising anti-feminist sentiments.

mhandanna · 2020-12-28T07:43:51+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAppxC5DagQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2k86AaMfAY

mewacketergi2 · 2020-12-28T12:56:27+00:00

There seems to be a pendulum. It exists in terms of attention from the general public, and numbers of bias-driven researcher-activists, plus loud-mouthed, overzealous activists on the ground.

I personally don't believe in a pendulum.

That's very nice of you to think so, but it hardly matters if your attitude isn't shared by people actually teaching the theory and making the important decisions at the helm of orgs.

hehimCA · 2020-12-28T15:05:39+00:00

I think there is a growing sentiment toward male well-being that goes against extreme And toxic feminism. I think it needs more centralization and leadership. There are a number of small groups and individuals making some small waves, but it definitely has not hit mainstream quite yet.

mhandanna · 2021-01-01T03:42:20+00:00

No there has been a big shift, and mens issues are becoming much more mainstream as MRAs on the ground have said.... mens issues are also cracking into random places with enourmous followings e.g. Joe Rogans podcast who has 200,000,000 downloads a month, comedy, public speaks, authors etc.... who are PROPERLY talking about mens issues, I dont men doing it menslib style or feminsit style

yes it is a pendulum. Think of MRA as similar to 2nd wave of feminism.... MRA is going to be easier to get going as we are starting far off.... of course we dont have gynocentrism and male disposability like feminsim has.... doesnt matter, there are other strengths we do have.

People are forgetting how radically different 3rd wave and 4th wav feminsits were, and how it was internet and blogs, social media that made femismi acceptable and masintrem and not angry hairs lesbian stereotype.

So MRAs are being wary too negative... so what MRA has some negative stereotypes, that is RAPIDLY changing and will be a hundred years soon than femntis had to endure their stereotypes

also feminsim got going as it created gender studies and also DV shelters and from there was a base and hub, this is now happening to MRA, it is getting into academia e.g. male psychology network, mens health could be MRA hub too, as that has actual MRAs in it

Title	Is there a pendulum of gender rights advocacy? Is it shifting?
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Date	December 28, 2020 6:35 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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