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Washington Post: "Can grade-skipping close the STEM gender gap?" | What are your opinions on this?

Strikester101

May 8, 2020
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https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/can-grade-skipping-close-the-stem-gender-gap/523305/
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Title Washington Post: "Can grade-skipping close the STEM gender gap?" | What are your opinions on this?
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Strikester101

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Date May 8, 2020 4:26 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
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[–]duhhhh 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Like most feminist issues, I believe this is isn't a gendered issue. I dropped out of high school, started college a semester early, did a summer semester, overloaded my schedule by one class one semester, and entered the workforce a year before my high school peers. Girls can do the same thing and my college accepts a higher percentage of female applicants AND gives them more "need based" financial aid to encourage more female enrollment.

[–]Strikester101[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Sorry to divert, but are there sex differences in intelligence?

Are you familiar with the Human Connectome Project?

[–]duhhhh 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I personally believe the greater male variability hypothesis holds water. That basically says:

  • Male and female intelligence is on average the same.

  • There are more really smart and really dumb males than females.

Basically the male bell curve for intelligence is the same height, but wider than the female bell curve.

I have never heard of that project.

[–]spudmixMachine Rights Activist 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

same height, but wider

Not quite how distributions work, you're looking for "the male bell curve for intelligence peaks in the same place, but is wider than the female bell curve", or more properly that they share a single mean but male variance is larger.

[–]duhhhh 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhhh yeah. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. At least I let everyone know I'm a high school dropout named duhhhh so y'all know which side of the curve I fall on. ;)

[–]Strikester101[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, that's it.

[–]czerdec 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are more really smart and really dumb males than females

not only that, but the "gene for high intelligence" (that's a massive simplification, I know) is like other genes: it's only displayed by the woman if the copy for that gene is on both of her X chromosomes.

That's why boys get so many more genetic diseases than girls. Whether the gene is for something good like genius or bad like cancer, girls tend to only inherit it if she's unlucky enough to have two copies of the gene on each chromosome.

Which is why the number of women who are chess grandmasters is proportional to the number of women who develop a genetic disease that's is more common in men. All the freakishly smart cohorts seem to be above 90% male, and that's very close to the ratio for genetic diseases.

It's not a conspiracy against women that we give academic awards to a lot of freakishly intelligent men and a smaller number of women. It's literally an effect of the structure of the way genetic traits combine to form chromosomes in a species with only two sexes capable of producing fertile offspring without scientific intervention.

And it pays off on the lower end of the IQ spectrum. If your intelligence is strongly affected by your genetics, it's much more likely to be bad than good for you.

Most people whose intelligence is affected heavily by genetics are retarded. Only a tiny fraction are geniuses, and even they have a huge risk of autism.

[–]duhhhh 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only a tiny fraction are geniuses, and even they have a huge risk of autism.

Some of my female friends in engineering college had a saying about dating there. "The odds are good, but the goods are odd." You could easily notice much more autism/asbergers than you'd see in the general population.

[–]Strikester101[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But is the hypothesis verifiable?

Like has it been tested to hold waters repeatedly?

[–]duhhhh 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes. A whole bunch of the studies and metastudies are referenced in one place under the "modern studies" section of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis.

There are also two studies that also say it is doesn't fit all countries (just the overwhelming majority) that feminists throw up as introvertable evidence all the other studies are wrong. Thats why I phrased it "I personally believe".

[–]Strikester101[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A: What about in egalitarian countries? Does the hypothesis remain true?

B: Is there a sex difference in verbal and reading abilities? Why?

[–]duhhhh 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The hypothesis holds in egalitarian countries. I believe all the countries it failed in were in countries where women had less rights than men (such as Bahrain and Oman).

[–]Strikester101[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What about reading and verbal abilities?

[–]duhhhh 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know.

[–]rannerbeer 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's the WaPo got to do with this? This links to an article on the Atlantic.

[–]Strikester101[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant to post the Atlantic.

[–]czerdec 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can achieve the same goal much more easily simply by banning men from publishing scientific work. Automatically, women will become vastly more employable as scientists.

It doesn't actually matter if the women know any science, because they can hire the male ex-scientists as "assistants" to do the science, and they can simply collect their royalty checks and follow whatever pursuits they desire: dance, drugs, family, or just soaking up the sunshine in vacation spots.

The advantage of that is we don't have to send children into adult environments where they're at a catastrophic disadvantage in literally every aspect of life except the specific details of her field. I think my idea does less harm.

All possible ideas of grade skipping are simply an attempt to load the dice in favor of a certain outcome. It's more efficient to simply mandate the outcome rather than force it to occur against its inclinations.

[–]Blauwpetjevalued LWMA contributor 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While in favour of equality of opportunity, I am more and more against forced equality of outcome, because that supposes 'equal power' for men and women in fields that used to be 'unequal', while ignoring the power women have as gatekeepers of sexuality. I am not saying the traditional situation was good, but at least both sexes had something to offer, and forced equality takes away what men had. Already women are complaining they cannot find enough male providers, while men at the bottom of society often are poor and single.

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