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| 1 | Italy and the false narrative around femicideIn the Netherlands the narrative is: ‘Every eight days a woman gets murdered!’ and everybody panicks and holds men responsible for not ‘calling out other men’ (throwing murder and locker room talk on one big heap). I look a closer look at those figures. In a country with a population of 18,4 million, assuming half of them are adults, it means 1 out of 100000 men kills 1 out of 100000 women every year. Nasty, of course, but suggesting it’s an omnipresent misogynistic pandemic is pure feminist dem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/26 07:52 AM |
| 2 | Why Are There So Fews Novels That Portray Men As Victims In Abusive Relationships?The Swedish playwright Strindberg wrote some plays about this, I think, in the 19th century. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/26 05:34 PM |
| -1 | The Left Must Reforge MasculinitySomeone who in all seriousness quotes Mao can’t be taken seriously by me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/26 03:09 PM |
| 0 | Why is SA and rape not so traumatizing for men as it is women?True as most reactions are, I think there’s also a biological component. For women, unwanted sex can mean unwanted pregnancy and that was already the case in prehistoric times when abortion was impossible or very dangerous. So it meant bearing and possibly bringing up a child with genes you didn’t care for. For men, rape is often literally ‘a pain in the ass’, which is bad enough but incomparable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/26 01:52 PM |
| 44 | British actress & feminist Jameela Jamil's tirade against boys after the '62 million rape academy' hoax: is it not deplorable misandrist/bigotry to insinuate that literal children are rapists-by-default?Reminds me of the femicide narrative in the Netherlands: ‘every 8 days a woman is killed by a man because she is a woman!’ I don’t know what those last five words mean, but anyway, I started to calculate: assuming half of the population are adults, it means every year 1 out of 100000 men kills 1 out of 100000 women. By no means nice, of course, put pure demagoguery to suggest it is some kind of patriarchal epidemic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/26 01:39 PM |
| 1 | I need help with my upcoming assignment.And don’t forget that Gloria Steinem had close links to the CIA and Henry Kissinger. It wasn’t even a secret. https://archive.ph/2020.11.10-124712/https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-gloria-steinem-cia-20151025-story.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/26 04:32 PM |
| 1 | I need help with my upcoming assignment.https://www.amazon.nl/How-Democrats-Can-Back-Understanding/dp/B0D8CRPT6F | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/26 04:29 PM |
| 1 | I need help with my upcoming assignment.https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/meet-the-women-worried-about-metoo/articleshow/66349450.cms | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/26 04:27 PM |
| 1 | I need help with my upcoming assignment.https://boysinitiative.org/blog-posts/for-every-100-girls-2023/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/26 04:24 PM |
| 2 | Remember the Democrats Project SAM or Speaking with American Men? They have website now.Mark Sutton wrote a book about men and the Democrats! Apparently the party wasn’t even interested enough to ask him for this website. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/26 05:13 PM |
| 2 | Remember the Democrats Project SAM or Speaking with American Men? They have website now.The whole site seems less about men than about male votes, and especially about men who voted Trump but no longer will. It looks like a typical political party propaganda site, rather worthless for really addressing gender issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/26 11:35 AM |
| 14 | Men, share your experience with misandry and help other men recognize it and speak up!It’s hard. I probably see more double standards and indifference than outright misandry. It’s what a lot of trans men (I am cis) experience to their horror: you can be lonely and suffer and nobody gives a damn, women least of all. Cis men are so used to that they often hardly even notice it. True, when men do care for women having a hard time, there may sometimes be a small sexual aspect in that. But that’s not the same as offering help and demanding sex in exchange, or even think about that. Ab… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/25 05:24 PM |
| 6 | The backlash against male heterosexualityIt began already in the seventies, though mostly among radicals even left of the official communist parties. Alas,I was a radical, left of the official communist party. To me this was also the issue that made me first doubt feminism, though it took me some time. I was rather shy approaching girls and had this dream about a society, or at least a subculture, in which because of equality women would put as much effort in romantic or sexual contacts as men. But all I heard around me was girls compl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/25 05:08 PM |
| 3 | Why do rich men want other men to think our masculinity is under threat?Because it’s not totally untrue, and populists thrive on half-truths. Character traits and qualities that on average (not 100% but say, about 60%) are more often found in men - biologically, though culture sometimes reinforces, sometimes restricts them - are either belittled or called toxic. The answer to that must not be a gender-neutral ideology but: yes, men are different on average, with all the advantages and disadvantages it brings. Exaggerating that, like rightists do, will lead to rigidi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/25 01:03 PM |
| 20 | The paradox of the male loneliness epidemic.To play devil’s advocate: the woman you mention may be an exception. Feminists use every argument that can be used in their favour, but when they’re contradictory not all feminists may use all the same arguments. On the other hand: a healthy movement would start open discussions about which points were valid and which were nonsense, so it would become clear if at least there were individuals within the group thinking consistently. And after some time the least logical points would become less po… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/25 10:18 AM |
| 1 | Is there anything that makes you feel you have a male/masculine identity?Yes, but with me it’s hardly ever sports and by no means always relatives. It’s playing in the sand, blowing bubbles, making things together (what they want, not what I might want), helping them climb on things when they’re a bit small to do it alone, carrying them on my back or shoulders, talking together both in a serious and funny way, watching tv with a toddler on my lap… in short, every decent thing one can do together with children. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/25 07:10 AM |
| 3 | What about this article? Is Mrs. Fiamengo too strict here to a woman trying to make a step towards peace with men?🙏 Thank you. Sometimes I have the feeling I simply have no choice, | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/25 12:47 PM |
| 3 | What about this article? Is Mrs. Fiamengo too strict here to a woman trying to make a step towards peace with men?Well, with ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ I don’t mean ‘don’t start any discussion’. I do mean ‘if you see an opening, however small, don’t answer with a list of bad things the other denies or is silent about’. You can answer to Mrs. Drucker: ‘Well, I’m so glad you want to connect to men who seem to keep distance from you. But you must realise it won’t come for free. You might have to jump over your own shadow. First you’ll have to listen to those men, really listen. And think about everything they say… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/25 06:28 AM |
| 1 | What about this article? Is Mrs. Fiamengo too strict here to a woman trying to make a step towards peace with men?That may be a US thing. I don’t recognise it in Europe/the Netherlands. There is a growing poverty problem since neoliberalism took root, but not so massive that men as a group can’t go to pubs or similar places anymore. And people who are used to go out will always (and often unfortunately imho) prioritise it in their budget. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/25 05:13 PM |
| 2 | What about this article? Is Mrs. Fiamengo too strict here to a woman trying to make a step towards peace with men?Yeah, to me it’s the difference between a judge and a politician. Janice Fiamengo is very good as a relentless judge, but I myself think more like a politician, and a European continental politician at that (so no two-party-system). Always looking for people to cooperate with, and let sleeping dogs lie if you deep inside think that much of their opinion is bs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/25 04:37 PM |
| 2 | Is there anything that makes you feel you have a male/masculine identity?I have also a problem with identity as a special status, as in ‘identity politics’. I do identify as a man, and see some of my character traits reinforcing that, but it’s not something I want to shout out to the world: ‘look at me! I’m a man!’ Let alone demand anybody else celebrating it in one way or another. It’s just one of the facts of (my) life, and admitting facts of live gives stability imho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/25 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Is there anything that makes you feel you have a male/masculine identity?Exactly! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/25 05:50 PM |
| 2 | Is there anything that makes you feel you have a male/masculine identity?I said I didn’t start this post to get the nature-nurture discussion all over again. Imho masculinity is not just ‘a set of norms’. If you believe something else, discuss it somewhere else (as has happened umpteen times on this sub). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/25 02:55 PM |
| 3 | Is there anything that makes you feel you have a male/masculine identity?They have equal access, but I believe on average they’re not the same in their preferences. But as said, I’m especially interested in how people experience or don’t experience those differences in practice, not in a litany of theoretical statements about: ‘they’re irrelevant’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/25 02:47 PM |
| 1 | What's Worse About Misandry/Misandrists?A good argument always is that prejudices against men are the square root of prejudices against black men: they’re violent, superficial, physically uncontrolled, sex-crazed, noisy, dominant. All these things are said about all men including white men, only a little more about black men. But in the latter case, liberals and leftists call it racist. It should make them think, if they’re still able to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/25 01:23 PM |
| 8 | Can anyone think of a common, non-feminist occurrence of the apex fallacy?I think there is no comparable example even though there may be similar phenomena. The whole point is that men are afaik the only group considered privileged while they’re not. Anti-oppression-groups may make a lot of mistakes, but the vast majority at least fights for groups that are really oppressed or at least disadvantaged. Feminists fight for a group that isn’t disadvantaged at all, but they think all men are privileged because a few thousand men out of millions have more money and power (e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/07/25 06:52 AM |
| 1 | I'm writing a research essay on the lack of equality of opportunity for men in humanities; arts; and social sciences disciplines (higher education), and would love your suggestions/inputs/tips!I’d say: just make the title and the introduction as neutral as possible, and uncover the facts and figures very peacemeal, and without showing any indignation. That will make the chance bigger it will at least be read. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/25 02:09 PM |
| 2 | I'm writing a research essay on the lack of equality of opportunity for men in humanities; arts; and social sciences disciplines (higher education), and would love your suggestions/inputs/tips!I’ve even seen my mother do this: stop working and take some extra years of education to get a more attractive (not better paying!) job. At the end of the day she didn’t even use that extra years and got a job in her old discipline. Then, I never even wondered about that arrangement. And my mother was a staunch feminist! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/25 01:54 PM |
| 2 | I'm writing a research essay on the lack of equality of opportunity for men in humanities; arts; and social sciences disciplines (higher education), and would love your suggestions/inputs/tips!When working with children, women are often problemless allowed to touch them or put an arm around them. Within certain boundaries, I think this good and healthy. But men are warned immediately. I’ve literally seen this happen in a school for special education. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/25 12:58 PM |
| 23 | Some counterpoints..This flows over of non-arguments. Against the idea of misandry in the media, they come up with percentages of male protagonists in films etc., and with how many men are quoted about certain subjects. As if those two can’t go together! Quoted men can very well be feminist men. And society can very well admire successful male heroes and at the same time detest the majority who is not like that, especially if they dare complain about it. The whole site looks like taking isolated MRA-ideas or presum… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/25 10:18 AM |
| 14 | Bad argument I found on twitter that I wanted to share because it pissed me offAlready, a lot more men die because of misandry (or do you think they commit suicide or use dangerous drugs because they’re so loved?) than women of misogyny. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/25 09:37 AM |
| 1 | I can't believe the dishonesty of this post.A lot of this is repeating the biological fact that a man can make a woman pregnant and walk away. Or rather, could in more primitive times. For if anything, what our society does is prevent this and/or compensate for this. It has nothing to do with any bias against women, it fights against it. Indeed, this meme is incredibly dishonest. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/25 09:34 AM |
| 6 | If the people on this sub are opposed to feminism, how do we solve mens' issues while also solving the issues affecting women?Oh come on. Men risk much more getting physical attacked than women. And don’t start with: yes but it’s also men doing it. That’s only a small minority, while all men are more at risk. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/25 06:13 PM |
| 2 | If the people on this sub are opposed to feminism, how do we solve mens' issues while also solving the issues affecting women?If I were looking for common ground I’d have chosen Betty Friedan rather than Gloria Steinem. But still preferred Christina Hoff Sommers who called herself The Factual Feminist, even though she criticised virtually all modern feminist dogmas. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/25 02:23 PM |
| 5 | If the people on this sub are opposed to feminism, how do we solve mens' issues while also solving the issues affecting women?You’re far too mild. Gloria Steinem had ties with Henry Kissinger and the CIA. She didn’t even make a secret of it. Big chance she used feminism to mess up a then strong and rather united leftist movement. https://www.markoskounalakis.com/blog/2015/11/18/the-feminist-was-a-spook | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/25 01:29 PM |
| 5 | If the people on this sub are opposed to feminism, how do we solve mens' issues while also solving the issues affecting women?Read this. Read it well. Read it again. Really think about it. And then speak again about male privileges, if you dare, and still think you have a point there. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/25 01:09 PM |
| 5 | If the people on this sub are opposed to feminism, how do we solve mens' issues while also solving the issues affecting women?So that’s your version. Where’s your rank and file? If only in 1 out of 10 cases where a feminist expressed a misandrist, female supremacist or double standards opinion, some other feminist criticised her, I’d believe feminism was more or less a legitimate movement. Surprise: it’s 0 out of 100 cases. Only when feminism is criticised, some voices pop up: ooooh, but we’re not like that at all. Well, prove it when you’re needed, not to criticise male advocates! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/25 01:04 PM |
| 8 | AI's opinion on why men are falling behind and how to fix the lack of male unityOne can disagree in a lot of details with this. But if AI really comes to these conclusions - how can that be anything but good news? If you can show this to sceptical people who think all MRAs are misogynists who can’t get laid, and they do believe it’s (not flawless but at least neutral) AI, it should make them think. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/25 11:29 AM |
| 14 | Double standards and false narratives regarding male and female subs.I sometimes get the feeling that the likes of Andrew Tate (and in the past Roosh V and Julien Blanc) ON PURPOSE get a lot of publicity by feminists, while Warren Farrell, Cathy Young or Prim Reaper are ignored and kept silence about. As if they LOVE the fact that there are misogynistic anti-feminists and love to spread the news, scared shit that people would suspect there may also be more nuanced antifeminism or criticism of feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/25 04:26 PM |
| 24 | Equity or equal victimhood?In a way you have a point. But it simply isn’t easy. Once you’re talking about male advocacy, it’s soon about things that men have troubles with, and especially where there’s injustice against men. And where our society, especially leftist and liberals who otherwise are closest to us, misses all dynamics even seriously discussing a sensible policy for men, talking about our issues soon gives the impression of an endless litany about what goes wrong and how hard our lives are. But is there a sens… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 01:57 PM |
| 3 | This video shows kinda shows the mentality of the average person when it comes to menLike I said before: women who say they’re not hating men, usually mean: as long as they’re uncritical feminists, why should that be so difficult for them? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/25 11:44 AM |
| 3 | This video shows kinda shows the mentality of the average person when it comes to menWomen who say they’re not man-haters usually mean that the men around them are uncritical feminists, and if only all men were like that, misandry wouldn’t be a problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/25 11:33 AM |
| 2 | Female singers and the men in the backgroundI never denied that. I just stated what things are like in the music business. And yes, there’s a logic in the face of a woman becoming the face of a group, but does that make it less of a gender issue? (=/= Purposely Sexist Phenomenon). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/25 05:02 AM |
| 39 | Female singers and the men in the backgroundIf he were a woman, he’d regularly get a story on Facebook about how sexism had prevented her from becoming famous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 04:09 PM |
| 2 | A list of some things feminists seem to not understand due to having female privilegeThe whole list of female privilege in a nutshell. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 11:38 AM |
| 1 | Concern around a particular type of criticism of male disposabilityNo doubt, but only the more reason to explain evolutionary psychology well and scientifically. Ignoring it will only leave it to the idiots that you mention. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 11:34 AM |
| 10 | Writers and intellectuals who spoke about Men's rightsIn Dutch: Maarten ‘t Hart ‘De vrouw bestaat niet’ (free translation: ‘Woman’ as such doesn’t exist) Renate Rubinstein: ‘Hedendaags feminisme’ (current feminism) and Emma Brunt: ‘Je zal je zuster bedoelen’ (you’ll mean your sister, a sarcastic Dutch expression). All around 1980. Especially the first two were famous Dutch - more or less liberal! - authors and their books sold well. Nowadays no publisher would dare burn his fingers on them. They’re all more criticising feminism than explicitly addr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 10:48 AM |
| 2 | Fairytales, girls and boysActually Gratis Eekhoorn’s quotes are a lot better written and more interesting than your comment on me. It’s some kind of dark, almost Kali-like poetry-prose and I could read pages of it. Only: it has less than nothing to do with the truth or with science, either biology or social sciences, it’s mythology disguised as facts for a surrealist fancy-dress party. Fascinating, but just a stream of (sub?)consciousness. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 07:57 AM |
| 2 | Have you heard of Postgenderism?It will be hard to prevent the stronger people from doing hard labour and fighting wars. It will still be harder when you do away with all concept of gender, so there will be no more statistics proving it’s men who will bear the brunt. But hardest is discussing with you, as you listen to nobody and rant instead of arguing. So I’ll leave it here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 07:51 AM |
| 2 | Concern around a particular type of criticism of male disposabilityHitler’s table talks are partly about that: the possibility of permitting polygamy during wars. Of course, he was very much about keeping his Volk big. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/25 02:58 PM |
| 2 | Have you heard of Postgenderism?The unjust expectations put on one sex =/= ‘gender is a social construct’. One can agree men are different from women and still want neither sex to be discriminated against. And, as feminism shows, also the opposite f ex by demanding equality of outcome and excessive affirmative action. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/25 10:40 AM |
| 3 | Fairytales, girls and boysThis sounds a lot better. Still, I don’t like the way you consider all feminist conventional wisdom ‘truth’ and reproach people with other ideas for not knowing enough about the matter. Neither do I like the way you paint this sub, which goes out of its way to never generalise or insult, as hateful. What chance at all do you give male advocates (among whom there are many women) to disagree with you? And do YOU put any effort in getting to know what they’re really saying? About my stories: someti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/25 06:29 AM |
| 2 | Have you heard of Postgenderism?It’s not that bad, fortunately; this nonsense only got three upvotes (including the one of the OP) while my comment got a lot more. But it’s true that this sub hardly knows progress; the discussions we had five years ago we have again today. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 06:40 PM |
| 4 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itWhat you essentially propagate is MGTOW. It already exists and there’s no reason to believe it’s gonna get bigger because a bit more male advocates will propagate it. Neither is there any sign, satisfying though it may be for individual MGTOWs, that it ever changed any romantic or sexual dynamics between men and women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 09:23 AM |
| 7 | Fairytales, girls and boysFeminist subs ban forever anybody who once comes up with a slightly critical reaction, and of course delete that reaction. So no, of course they don’t have that problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 07:57 AM |
| 8 | Concern around a particular type of criticism of male disposabilityAs Eldred2 already said, the whole idea of justifying is nonsense, and, frankly, not very interesting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 07:12 AM |
| 5 | Concern around a particular type of criticism of male disposabilityEvolutionary psychology is about what would be reasonable behaviour in a primeval state, not in a rather prudish Christian culture with strict monogamous standards, like Europe a century ago. I think even now when we had a war and many men died, the outcome would be very different. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 06:40 AM |
| 3 | Have you heard of Postgenderism?Frans de Waal (world-famous ethologist), Dick Swaab (brain specialist), Griet Vandermassen (philosopher who thought men and women were the same but changed her mind and proves that point with a bounty of sources). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 06:13 AM |
| 10 | Have you heard of Postgenderism?The umpteenth denial of biology on this sub. Always when there’s a serious discussion about it, most people agree nature does play a role. And always after some time, people come up again with the ‘gender is a social construct’-mantra, essentially stolen from a misandrist movement, not all of a sudden applicable for men’s interests, and above all: untrue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 05:37 AM |
| 5 | Fairytales, girls and boysThis is absolutely mean and on purpose thinking the worst of me. If you don’t understand me, you could first ask instead of stating all this slander and personal attacks. Of course I write about female characters when I have a reason for that. Sometimes they’re the heroine. But when I have a ‘neutral’ character it’s a lot harder. I can decide to make it female just for the balance in the number of characters. I used to do that more than I do lately. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/25 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Fairytales, girls and boysThat must be exhausting. (And of course never a word about the millions of guys, in fiction and reality, who sell their souls to be with a girl. It’s not sexism either way imho, it’s just heterosexuality gone a bit out of hand.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/25 05:49 AM |
| 1 | Fairytales, girls and boys(So it wasn’t you who downvoted me within a minute! I wonder who was.) I always find it hard to watch these Japanese products at all, and rather not judge them, because then I think it might be extreme cultural differences which make me not like them. Maybe that’s too cautious, but as they don’t play a role in my life I leave it at that. (And ‘deconstruct’ is apparently a postmodern term for ‘find a way to make clear this story or text proves my point, even when it doesn’t’.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/25 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Fairytales, girls and boysNo, and what I see about it is not very relevant for the subject. Just an affirmative action fantasy anime, fairytales are folktales, not industrial products. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/25 05:04 AM |
| 9 | Fairytales, girls and boysYour whole reaction is so full of confirmation bias that it’s hard to react on it. I tried to read the stories the way they were written, not a priori to prove they are sexist either way, a thing that you seem to do, painting the 200 fairytales with such a broad brush the paint spills over, not even bothered about details. No wonder your conclusion is so opposite to mine. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/25 04:05 PM |
| 3 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itBut this sounds more like people who work with couples to keep their relationship good, than with single men teaching them how to approach women. I always get the impression the former expertise is more popular among the mainstream and especially less ‘risky’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/25 07:53 AM |
| 6 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itThis is partly not really reading what I said, partly a textbook example of gaslighting. If somebody would ask me what is meant by gaslighting I would take your reaction to make that clear. If what you said were true, the vast majority of women were actually very nice, rational and empathetic. One wonders how on earth it’s possible that men, except for total jerks, even have any trouble finding a good woman within a few weeks or at worst months, let alone stay single for long. Nice to read for l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/25 07:02 AM |
| 2 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itI don’t know them either. Can you elaborate this? It might be interesting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/25 06:42 AM |
| 17 | Fairytales, girls and boysDon’t forget Sleeping Beauty! The prince has to cut himself through a thick hedge of thorny rosebushes before he can kiss the princess. In the story it is even said that many princes before him got stuck in the thorns and died. No, we men don’t get it for nothing! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/25 06:35 AM |
| 5 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itI don’t know where you grew up. It sounds like a horrible environment; they weren’t omnipresent then, neither are they extinct now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/25 01:58 PM |
| 5 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itIt can hardly get worse. What will get worse is the sexist, rightist, Tate-ist backlash. But even that has a silver lining: gynocentric culture must realise they only can ignore and shame men’s issues forever at their own peril. It will take some time before they’ll reach the rocket science insight that actually listening to men without having their prefab feminist conclusions ready might be part of the solution. There will be steps inbetween that will look unsatisfying to us (like the ambivalen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/25 06:51 AM |
| 19 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itIt’s well known that loneliness is as much a health risk as obesitas. Also, wouldn’t gay and lesbian protests be a bit ridiculous if sex wasn’t that important? Why organise pride weeks over a trivial hobby? Same for the Stonewall fights? Oh, homophobia is an attack on their identity? So their identity is (partly) about sex? Alright, fair enough. But how on earth then are you supposed to tell straight men THEIR sexuality is a negligible issue? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/25 05:55 PM |
| 20 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itIf you fancy a girl and you start in an honest way with ‘I want to have sex with you’ without really knowing her, you’re harassing and objectifying her. If you start slowly, first getting to know her better (maybe even concluding after a while it’s not worthwhile) you’re not sincere. Women simply can’t have their cake and eat it. By the way, it’s my experience that after rejecting a man it’s the women who mostly break up the friendship, while the men, though disappointed, are perfectly willing t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/25 08:28 AM |
| 7 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itExactly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 05:55 PM |
| 26 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itI wonder if most feminists want to be freed of their feminine role. They want to be feminine when they feel like it; they just don’t want ‘unattractive’ men to observe it, and they want a career, even if more masculine traits would be needed for it - they just demand affirmative action. Just the same, I think quite some men are rather satisfied with being masculine as such. Only when they find out it’s taken advantage of they will (hopefully) protest. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 05:24 PM |
| 6 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itYes, we should work together. There is a lot of willingness, but also a lot of distrust. The latter prevails now, but can there be a change? All empirical ethologists agree that a lot of behaviour is nature. Personally, I wonder if a lot of the aversion of liberal men against masculinity isn’t actually nurture. Their whole environment condemns it, so they prefer not to nourish it too much. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 04:36 PM |
| 7 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itI don’t see the either-or in this. Society may cause boys to retreat behind screens and that isn’t a good thing. So both points are valid. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 04:10 PM |
| 28 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itThe left seems to think all biological issues are traditionalist, reactionary and a social construct. All empirical ethologists prove the opposite. That is indeed a big tragedy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 04:08 PM |
| 13 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itThat would work if you could organise a massive men’s sex strike. Unfortunately there’s not a shade of a chance to that. It will only leave the strikers more frustrated, seeing other men will grab their chances just the same. (And don’t forget that many men like to be masculine, that it’s not just society forcing them. That’s a pity for men who are less enthusiastic about it, but opting out, though sometimes a legitimate personal choice, never will change society.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 02:49 PM |
| 11 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itAnd then don’t forget the unpopularity of monogamy in certain liberal circles. In the extremest cases it can lead to abolishing it altogether, otherwise to serial monogamy. Alright, nobody can forced to be monogamous if they’re not built that way. And especially for young people, a promiscuous period in their lives can be educational and healthy. But the consequences of doing away with monogamy can also be: a war of everybody against everybody for partners; short, superficial relationships; and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 02:31 PM |
| 8 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itAlright. I don’t agree with everything you say, but your reasoning is plausible enough. And part of the art of politics is not starting a fight over every trivial point of disagreement. Instinctively, the urge to have sex is as strong as the urge to survive. That is (sorry to use that point) only natural, if anything is: we wouldn’t be there if we didn’t have zillions of ancestors having that urge, often willing to die for it. Yes, we can tell ourselves that urge gives us the wrong message. Mayb… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 10:55 AM |
| 32 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itYou mean something like: good friends are friendzoned, macho good friends are sexy? No doubt there is some truth in it. I wouldn’t deny many men naturally have a macho side in them, but nobody should be forced to be macho, not by society, not to be appreciated by women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 10:52 AM |
| 16 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itIt may really mean violence. Maybe already. Not directly men against women, but you don’t have to be a Freudian to imagine that men whose sexuality is demonised by liberals may turn to the extreme right, even if those neither even pretend to have any solutions for them. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of admirers of Trump, Poetin, Wilders, Orban etc are frustrated men. I must confess, I myself more or less opted out. But then, I’m 69 and a granddad. The last sexual, purely sexual, relationship … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 10:35 AM |
| 36 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itThis gets even more bizarre within feminist circles. To many people they’re the substitute for old-fashioned communities. At the same time, for men it is often a lot safer to try and date a perfect stranger than ‘harass’ or ‘objectify’ his feminist friends by proposing a date. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 09:55 AM |
| 24 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itYou’re perfectly free to avoid the subject in your personal life. But I have a problem with men’s advocates trying to silence others who address the issue. Neither do I believe anything is unavoidable just because it’s natural. Hardly anything in an urban, post-industrial society is natural. Some natural behaviour makes people happy, some doesn’t. The current situation makes neither men nor (I think) women happy. It’s natural for people to eat as much as they can, as in primeval times that had o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 09:50 AM |
| 63 | LWMAs have two choices: leave men’s (sexual) loneliness to the likes of Andrew Tate or address itNo, not at all. I’m even astonished it’s that bad now. Do women prefer boyfriends they didn’t know before? And are they surprised or indignant they end up in abusive relationships? My parents were members of a liberal Christian student union which more or less split up two by two after a few years. That may sound a bit restricted, but after decades there wasn’t a single divorce in that group, in spite of their liberal way of thinking. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 09:23 AM |
| 1 | Prejudice SpiralingThe problem is that the mainstream, whether left- or right wing, seems more interested in polarisation than in the voice of reason. People like Warren Farrell, Helen Pluckrose, Prim Reaper; MSM don’t even know them and are too lazy or cowardly to look for them. This has become a lot worse in the last half century; when I was young, I read daily and weekly newspapers that were proud to give a platform to independent thinkers, even if their opinions differed much from those of the editorial board. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 07:53 AM |
| 1 | Blatantly UntrueIt’s a circle reasoning. Postmodern identity politics assumes the voice of the marginalised is more important than the voice of the privileged. It also assumes men are the privileged and women are the marginalised. As this makes women’s voice crucial and men’s voice insignificant, it can NEVER be concluded it may as well be the other way round, or even 50-50, no matter how overwhelming the evidence. Postmodern thinking is deadly, both for men and for rational, scientific reasoning. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 07:22 AM |
| 1 | Are things getting better or worse for boys?Andrew Tate is more successful in making boys feel they’re supported than more reasonable and less misogynistic men’s advocates. Feminists are to blame for that. They always mention his name when there’s talking of criticising feminism and defending men. They wouldn’t like it when people knew there’s a lot of perfectly reasonable criticism of their ideology, let alone reasonable anti-feminism. They turn it all into a which-side-are-you-on-thing. With Tate’s success, they get what they deserve, b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 07:14 AM |
| 2 | Do men and women express emotions differently? If so, why is the female way of expressing emotions seen as the default?Probably a combination. Nurture is never on its own, often reinforces nature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 07:05 AM |
| 4 | Do men and women express emotions differently? If so, why is the female way of expressing emotions seen as the default?I’m not sure if it’s always healthier. I once read an article about how women together, talking about negative, sad issues, made each other more depressed, confirming the other’s feelings all the time, rather than really helping each other. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 07:03 AM |
| 9 | Do men and women express emotions differently? If so, why is the female way of expressing emotions seen as the default?I heard exactly the same from a trans man I know. Even the girl he already had a relationship with when they were both women (which turned from a lesbian into a heterosexual relationship) accused him of being unmanly when he was ‘too emotional’. He used to be a staunch believer in all feminist assumptions, but, he told me, since he had become a man he found out some things are a bit more complicated. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 06:55 AM |
| 3 | Do men and women express emotions differently? If so, why is the female way of expressing emotions seen as the default?It’s worse than just misandrist rhetoric: it’s the core of the ‘patriarchy hurts men too’-excuse. Like: true, men also have problems, but the cause is that they don’t express their emotions, they’re ashamed to do that and afraid they’ll lose their supremacy over women when they’re seen crying or in an emotional state like that. While the truth is: men simply can’t do it right, especially when they speak out on men’s issues. When they do it in a stoic, matter-of-fact way, they’re simply dismissed… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 06:46 AM |
| 5 | "Women are overrepresented as victims of violence, violence against women is just much more often domestic violence, it is hidden"Do you have any links? Not that I don’t believe you, but it’s always good to have some ammunition when talking to people who haven’t a clue about these issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 06:17 AM |
| 2 | "Women are overrepresented as victims of violence, violence against women is just much more often domestic violence, it is hidden"Underfunded and stretched thin? In my view they’re omnipresent. And there are also the media, always pointing out to women when they are ‘oppressed’ or ‘mistreated’ even in very trivial, everyday conflicts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 06:12 AM |
| 3 | "Women are overrepresented as victims of violence, violence against women is just much more often domestic violence, it is hidden"Women have less muscular strength, but they can mistreat men terribly by not keeping appointments, refusing to say anything back when something is said about their behaviour, being totally unreliable, playing a game like ‘the first one who gets angry has lost’ no matter what they did to make the other angry, etc. etc. I was in an abusive relationship like that for years. Everything I learned, with a lot of effort, in the years before that, about self-esteem, assertiveness etc. got totally destro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 06:06 AM |
| 14 | "Men are in crisis and the last ones we seem to ever think about. I hate the phrase “women and children first” as it translates to men don’t have the same value. “Let them die” and that is so ingrained in our society."It has originally to do with keeping the population as big as possible. This is practically proportionate with keeping as many women alive as possible. Men can help raising the new generation, but women are indispensable to give birth to them; while a small group of men could father them all. (Marvin Harris describes how the opposite sometimes happened in primeval times. In case of overpopulation, female babies weren’t looked after very well or even killed on purpose, so the population would gro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Is guycry a better alternative then menslib which is just pushing feminist propaganda and it's dead because no one seems to care?LeftWingMaleAdvocates is alright. It has a bit more censorship than this sub, removing everything that only smells a bit of conservatism or generalising about women. For the rest the difference with this sub isn’t even that big, no ‘raise the red flag’-rhetoric at all, mostly liberals who want to make clear men’s issues don’t have to be linked automatically to populist rightism. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/25 05:43 AM |
| 2 | What are your essential book recommendations?Don’t forget ‘Sons of feminism’, life stories of men in the feminist aera, often ex-feminists themselves, collected by Janice Fiamengo. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/25 06:36 PM |
| 0 | Why are you opposed to feminism?Why do people again and again visit this sub and ask questions without first reading other posts that would have answered them more than enough? Do they think people here have nothing better to do than repeat themselves all the time? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/25 09:52 AM |
| 2 | What are your essential book recommendations?‘How Democrats can win back men’ is not a timeless, profound, existential narrative about the men in our culture, but a very practical summing up about how the Democratic Party has failed men, and that’s at least as useful imho. Available at Amazon. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/25 08:05 AM |
| 1 | Stop glorifying "masculinity"What’s the difference between ‘what people want to be’ and ‘what nature imposed on them’? If their wishes don’t come naturally, are they liberation or, contrary to what you seem to think, imposed by society? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/25 07:49 AM |
| 3 | Stop glorifying "masculinity"I’m glad this post is not upvoted. I had the sad impression that this sub was turning anti-masculine. In truth, there are biological, psychological, evolutionary differences between men and women, though I admit it’s all a matter of percentages and averages, but nevertheless. And it never should mean anybody, whatever their biological sex, should be forced to act masculine or feminine. But average masculine traits like stoicism, rationality, stamina aren’t bad, and men who are that way should be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/25 07:46 AM |
| 1 | We need to copy feminism if we are to succeedBut does that contradict the assumption this has an evolutionary cause? You just sum up some details of this attitude, but don’t give a more probable cause for it. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/25 05:37 AM |
| 38 | The term “mansplain” isn’t just sexist hate speech, it is often also a narcissistic deflection people resort to when they feel intellectually inadequate.Most of the time ‘mansplaining’ is simply used for every man making points against feminist dogmas. Of course that wasn’t the original meaning of the word, but who cares if you can score easily in a debate about feminism… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/05/25 07:26 AM |
| 7 | How do we clean up MRA?If we only knew that… we wouldn’t even need spaces like this. But it’s clear that at least under liberal rule, men only have power by paying lip service to feminist dogmas. Maybe a conservative backlash will change that, but the feminist left is to blame for that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 05:08 PM |
| 9 | How do we clean up MRA?That’s why I said: Men’s Lib LIGHT. If you want to be constructive towards feminism but not towards the MRM, that sounds apt enough imho. And calling men fighting for men’s issues, often for years with little result and lots of verbal abuse, lazy, is a vicious insult. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 04:43 PM |
| 1 | Gender is a social construct therefore Toxic Masculinity cannot exist.Do people really believe all primates know men-women-dimorphism except humans? Or that human men and women differ everywhere in their bodies except their heads? Or that differences that occur in 99% of cultures are a social construct? If that has become the self-evident wisdom of this sub, it has deteriorated a lot since it started and I became a member. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Am I the only one who just doesn’t like the concept of “masculinity”?Men and women are not the same in general. There are good natural reasons for that. That doesn’t mean anybody should be forced to fit into any stereotype. But neither is it very sensible to pretend your biological sex doesn’t mean a thing. I was a teenager in a time when everything was ‘equality’, ‘emancipation’ and blank slate theory, and I’m actually sorry I didn’t cultivate my masculine side more, probably even oppressed it because in theory it was not very popular (even though in practice it… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 03:34 PM |
| 1 | is a little to similar to my last post and for a variety of reasons a little of the wording might be a little weird but this is a further exlapnation on changes i want to see in the culture for males and a idea of what male rights should be also.Don’t think you can just fit men’s rights easily into Critical Social Justice theory. That theory started with feminism, supposing (cishet white) men are oppressors, and falls apart as soon as that assumption is removed. Also, men must have the right not just to abandon ‘traditional’ masculinity, but also to claim it as part of themselves and be proud of it - if they want to, that is. Tolerance for different lifestyles is what we need, not ‘new definitions’ that build new fences and new restrict… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 03:23 PM |
| 2 | Invalidating men’s issues is counterproductive to feminism.Feminism has been thriving for half a century on that attitude. Without it, it would have shrunk into insignificance and true egalitarianism would have taken its place. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 03:16 PM |
| 17 | How do we clean up MRA?You’re negative towards the MRM and preach about not being too negative about feminism. No, thank you. If this sub turns into some MensLib light it will only chase more men into the arms of the likes of Andrew Tate. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/25 03:08 PM |
| 1 | We need to copy feminism if we are to succeedEvolutionary. There’s no need for as many men as possible to survive for the next generation, if half of them die the rest can just procreate more. It is much different for women, who can procreate not as boundlessly, also have to feed their children etc. That doesn’t make it alright, but nature isn’t ’alright’ in that way. | /r/MensRights | 19/05/25 06:35 AM |
| 1 | We need to copy feminism if we are to succeedLack of empathy for men, always around but reinforced by feminism. I wonder how any ‘patriarchy’ worth that name could cause such disadvantages for men on such a large scale. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/25 06:14 AM |
| 5 | Have you noticed how every "Living with ADHD" article is based on a woman?It’s a fact that women visit doctors more often. That doesn’t necessarily mean men avoid help and it isn’t said here either. It can also mean women visit doctors too often. The mentioned ‘profit incentive’ doesn’t contradict gynocentrism, though you might think it is too narrow an interpretation of it. And then, it is lazy and impolite to downvote an opinion (if it’s not too stereotypical or misandrist and this one isn’t) instead of discussing it. Glad to see it got upvoted again, even though I’… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/25 05:17 PM |
| 5 | Have you noticed how every "Living with ADHD" article is based on a woman?Don’t know why you’re downvoted. For a feminist guest you sound quite reasonable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/25 11:25 AM |
| 14 | Have you noticed how every "Living with ADHD" article is based on a woman?The narrative is often ‘it’s harder for girls because they’re supposed to behave better than boys and boys have more freedom’. My experience is the opposite. Girls behaving wild and weird are considered funny and amusing, while boys are only found irritating. Actually that may be the reason why girls are diagnosed less or later, when they get too old to be funny and amusing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/25 11:23 AM |
| 5 | An interesting video about rape culture. (SHOCKING)Calling men pursuing/approaching women rape culture, or even problematic, is nothing short of demonising male sexuality. If a man is allowed to be (hetero)sexual, it makes no sense he shouldn’t be allowed to approach women for that purpose. Feminists always suggest sex happens without any initiative, of course without saying those absurd ideas out loud. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/25 08:09 PM |
| 1 | Perpetrators of violence against men hate men no less than perpetrators of violence against women hate womenMisandry may very well be the reason why so many more men commit suicide. In that case, misandry doubtlessly kills. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/25 05:07 PM |
| 1 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.But that’s not my point of comparison. Originally, also, in the book the Mental Seal was found by accident and only later used as a weapon against Trisolaris. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/25 05:04 PM |
| 25 | Breaking Points: SHOE0NHEAD Responds To Male Loneliness BacklashNo, the sjw chased people to the right. The non-right anti-sjw were, unfortunately, calling in the desert. People seem to have a which side are you on-complex instead of forming their own independent opinion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 06:58 AM |
| 3 | Breaking Points: SHOE0NHEAD Responds To Male Loneliness BacklashIs that the Kingfish? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 06:55 AM |
| 1 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.The funniest thing is that my reactions still is visible, even with one upvote. Also a sarcastic reaction by someone who states that real reactions will be deleted. Maybe it’s some kind of censorship trying to pose as not being censorship? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 03:45 PM |
| 2 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.Worse: KKK was largely a Democrat thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/25 02:12 PM |
| 3 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.It’s all too little, too late. Ten years ago I could be forgiven for thinking lefties believed in intersectional feminism for lack of information, so I started linking information on Facebook, for my hundreds of leftist friends there. Nothing changed, they hardly even reacted. Now the left turned into the incredible shrinking movement and they still think only others are to blame. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/25 01:42 PM |
| 2 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.That may be good tactics sometimes, but this post was explicitly about feminism so there was no way to avoid the word or not judge it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/25 09:24 AM |
| 51 | Easier to accuse someone of being a racist than a misandristStereotypes of black men are just stereotypes of men on steroids. Violent, sex-crazed, macho, never talking about their feelings etc. So I think both you and this black man are right. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/25 03:57 PM |
| 6 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.Why do people visit subs, never read one post and ask others to explain them the essence of that sub? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/25 03:06 PM |
| 8 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.For the same reason as black communities care about racism. Our problems may not be as big as theirs, but the analogy is totally valid. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/25 07:48 AM |
| 15 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.Did you read the sf trilogy The Three Body Problem? There’s talk about a mental seal in it. If they put a mental seal in your brain that water is poisonous, even if you know rationally it isn’t so, it will take you months to convince you to drink water again. Feminism is a Mental Seal in western society. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/25 08:22 PM |
| 33 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.Still, this extreme censorship is very much a reddit thing, I think. On Facebook I often get shamed and called a whiner or an extreme rightist for the slightest nuance, but seldom anything I write is removed, let alone myself banned from a page, let alone without warning first. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/25 07:25 PM |
| 85 | I thought r/men was a neutral sub for men. But they’re as censorious as men’s lib.So, in other words, this whole r/men is a men’s lib decoy with a more neutral mask. No, I didn’t realise that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/25 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Best answer to "I would date someone like you"?Here I am, what keeps you? | /r/seduction | 13/02/25 03:39 PM |
| 2 | What is your response to "abuse towards women was normal back then"?I know an old Dutch poem about a man who had beaten his wife and the village decided that, as punishment, he had to be put before the plough and draw it. So apparently no, it wasn’t considered normal at all. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/24 05:12 AM |
| 2 | Great e-mail from our ‘archfather’As soon as that (if I understand what you mean with ‘realignment’) is the case, the dialogue will hardly be necessary anymore, as things then will look so much better for men already. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 11:10 AM |
| 2 | Great e-mail from our ‘archfather’True. The problem is, fringe elements like Roosh V or Andrew Tate are openly scorned within the already small MRM. ‘Fringe’ feminists write in the Guardian and NYT and teach at universities. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 10:52 AM |
| 3 | True Cause of the Rise in Male Loneliness (and Loneliness in general)I think this whole story isn’t satisfying. Many men can socialise without any problem and still feel lonely for lack of romance and sex in their lives (and don’t come up with: ‘that’s overrated’, if that wasn’t important there would be no human species). This is partly because of the selectivity of many women, with sometimes very unclear criteria; partly because of the MeToo ideology which makes 40% (!) of single men shun women for fear of being called creeps. Individual psychological factors no… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/24 03:21 PM |
| 1 | How to win men's votes without backing down on women's rightsI wrote about this book several times on this sub. It is a lot more interesting, concrete and honest than all the semi-misandrist drivel about ‘why men are so conservative’. https://www.amazon.com/How-Democrats-Can-Back-Understanding/dp/B0D8CRPT6F/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/24 03:08 PM |
| 8 | The gender wars are meant to keep the working class fighting each otherGloria Steinem had connections with the CIA and with Henry Kissinger. This wasn’t even a secret, but feminists looked away and kept pretending their movement was leftist. https://www.markoskounalakis.com/blog/2015/11/18/the-feminist-was-a-spook | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/24 02:57 PM |
| 77 | I recently came across this on social media, and got attacked for stating that it's actually black men, not women who are most disadvantaged in US society. How do we, as LWMA's, respond to such misinformed people?White men are also disadvantaged if you don’t fall for the apex fallacy. This cartoon is such nonsense and everyone on this sub should know that by now. Not even necessary to draw black men into the argument. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/24 05:20 AM |
| 14 | Question for my fellow LWMA's, how do we respond to statements such as this one?Yes, feminism took over the role of jealous fathers. I found that out decades ago. But nowadays the role of jealous fathers is nothing compared to that of feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/24 05:23 AM |
| 6 | Question for my fellow LWMA's, how do we respond to statements such as this one?I agree. I’m all for evpsych theories, but lately, alas, more and more people on this sub are making them suspect. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/24 02:03 AM |
| 57 | Question for my fellow LWMA's, how do we respond to statements such as this one?It’s not a ‘paradox’, it’s a totally predictable combination of gynocentrism and paranoid propaganda. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/24 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Feminism castrated me.I don’t know why you’re downvoted. People may disagree with feminism and for that reason with you. But disagreeing = downvoting sounds like a lame way of discussing, and a bit cowardly on Reddit where you can do it anonymously. I think what you say is heartwarming. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/24 09:14 AM |
| 1 | Feminism castrated me.It’s sad because there still are good, kind and lovely women. But the risk and energy to put in finding out who those are isn’t worth it. Closeness loses most of its worth anyway if you have to put too much energy in it. (Too little may not be that good either, but this is a lot worse.) This isn’t how the world is meant to be and I hope it doesn’t last forever, I hope in a few decades people will wonder how this dystopia could have been created in this time. But for the moment, alas, it is there… | /r/MensRights | 25/09/24 09:08 AM |
| 90 | Question for my fellow LWMA's, how do we respond to statements such as this one?Aren’t the feminists the ones that tell that one woman to be terrified? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/24 08:06 AM |
| 2 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!But they cannot. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/24 08:04 AM |
| 5 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!Yes, it’s weird. But politics is weird, and most interhuman communication is weird. We are not a perfect rational species and shouldn’t expect that from our fellow humans either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/24 05:35 AM |
| 5 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!🙏 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 03:25 PM |
| 5 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!This may be true for the Democrats as such, but I’m sure it isn’t for Sutton. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 02:57 PM |
| 30 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!It isn’t that bad. Helping men sounds a bit weird to many people, but once you find the right entrance they see the legitimacy of it and even applaud it more or less. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 02:55 PM |
| 11 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!Before my pension I worked mostly as a translator. With the fast improvement of these programs, I’m only too glad I do have that pension now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 02:53 PM |
| 7 | Wrote review and got it published on a left-wing site!Can you try with Google translate? Mark Sutton himself managed with it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 02:39 PM |
| 19 | Three interesting studies with expected resultsYou chase young men to Andrew Tate if you refuse to listen to Cathy Young, Warren Farrell, Prim Reaper etc. or at least let them have their say in your media. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/24 11:40 AM |
| 3 | Being anti male gender role is like being a nihilist. Society finds meaning in male gender roles.It started with shaming all their traditional masculine traits when they were younger. They actually amputated a part of themselves and are getting nowhere because of this handicap. Many people on this sub only seem to see ‘forced masculinity’ in society, not the opposite in liberal and leftist circles. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/24 01:12 PM |
| 1 | Being anti male gender role is like being a nihilist. Society finds meaning in male gender roles.I thought I mentioned what the nuance was. But maybe you can ask a more concrete question. What did I leave out? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/24 01:07 PM |
| 3 | Being anti male gender role is like being a nihilist. Society finds meaning in male gender roles.A lot of liberal and left wing men have been told ‘traditional’ masculinity is bad: dominant, aggressive, sex-crazed and (in case of loving cars and machines) bad for the environment. Then they behave as gender-neutral as they can and think that is ‘liberation’. And, later in life, when they don’t get anywhere, they think ‘society’ is blaming them for being ‘not masculine enough’. They forget it started with the opposite. (Disclaimer: I’m not saying there are no real ‘unmasculine’ men who have t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/24 01:03 PM |
| 8 | Child Abuse Apologists -- "She's just overwhelmed!"‘This is caused by patriarchy.’ Once I was talking to a girl about my relationship with another girl (not sexual or romantic) that was unnecessarily complicated imho. She answered exactly that: ‘This is caused by patriarchy.’ At that moment I still thought that meant something, that she had some theory about how patriarchy complicated our friendship. Now I realise she just presumed that any problem between men and women was caused by patriarchy. The tragic part is, I liked the girl I talked with… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/08/24 06:15 AM |
| 3 | Why cisgender males, especially straight ones, and trans women turn to the right.I posted this several times lately, but it remains valuable. https://www.mark-sutton.com/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/24 10:24 AM |
| 1 | Calling All Men - Book Research SurveyAnd I don’t wanna be unkind, but really… all you ask is one experience where you were shamed for being unmanly. Hell, everybody can have at least a handful of such experiences. What on earth does that prove? Life is not all wine and roses. Are you planning to put about some hundreds of such experiences in a book? It would be a misleading book, and it would place ‘learning to be a man’ in a one-sided, negative light. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/24 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Calling All Men - Book Research SurveySounds to me a bit too much like ‘gender is a social construct’. The conclusion that masculinity is not innate and learned in society seems to be already locked up in the assumption of the book and that can lead to confirmation bias. Have you thought of that? Have you read about evolutionary psychology when it comes to men and women? About male and female brain structures? Mind you, I’m not saying there lies the whole answer. But ignoring those whole fields, one might easily a priori come to the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/24 05:49 PM |
| – | How to find local support?Is there a subreddit about your home town? You can put your question there. It can be at least a start. | /r/MenSupportMen | 29/08/24 01:59 PM |
| 3 | In the 2024 Democratic Party Platform, the word Women appears 82 times, the word Men, 4 times. In the US, how can we encourage Democrats to focus more and boys and men? https://menandthe2024election.substack.com/p/the-dnc-story-no-ones-talking-aboutI think she had a nervous breakdown because of both the left and the right misunderstanding her all the time. Also, her mother died. For a while I was afraid she was out of the spotlight for good, as she is my favourite publicist. So this new book was good news for me too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 01:09 PM |
| 2 | In the 2024 Democratic Party Platform, the word Women appears 82 times, the word Men, 4 times. In the US, how can we encourage Democrats to focus more and boys and men? https://menandthe2024election.substack.com/p/the-dnc-story-no-ones-talking-about🙏 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 11:20 AM |
| 9 | In the 2024 Democratic Party Platform, the word Women appears 82 times, the word Men, 4 times. In the US, how can we encourage Democrats to focus more and boys and men? https://menandthe2024election.substack.com/p/the-dnc-story-no-ones-talking-aboutYes, I did forget: restrict, or do away with, affirmative action for women in top functions. After half a century of women-friendly policies, they should be able to manage that themselves. Stimulate more men working in education, (health)care, and with children. Also in this case, affirmative action may not be the best way, but in the current situation I’d prefer it over nothing. But also restricted: not aimed at percentages that will not be reached within years or even decades. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 11:03 AM |
| 9 | In the 2024 Democratic Party Platform, the word Women appears 82 times, the word Men, 4 times. In the US, how can we encourage Democrats to focus more and boys and men? https://menandthe2024election.substack.com/p/the-dnc-story-no-ones-talking-aboutHOW is a difficult question. Liberals in the west are infested by postmodern intersectional identity politics (‘woke’ with an ugly word), an ideology which supposes men are oppressors and privileged, and as far as they have problems at all, those will vanish as soon as they give up their ‘toxic masculinity’ and become good allies for women. In the SciFi trilogy The Three Body Problem (which I partly translated in Dutch) this is called a ‘mental seal’: something someone will believe, no matter ho… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 10:29 AM |
| 1 | Men and the Democratic PartyI see your points. But if a book about the American elections can be (part of) a turning point for the narrative about men’s issues, why not? There isn’t gonna be a revolution so we have to appreciate every little step. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/24 05:53 AM |
| 4 | Male privilege is useless when a man doesn't have any other privileges to enhance it.And then, why aren’t men more at the top ‘a skill issue’ or ‘women not working hard enough’? Double standards is very, very mildly put here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/24 04:58 AM |
| 9 | Male privilege is useless when a man doesn't have any other privileges to enhance it.Male privilege… lol. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/24 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I see the point. But sometimes there may be practical reasons to gather men around a certain issue. But maybe it’s nothing for you. I personally used Reddit to gather a group of undogmatic left wing people around me. They all turned out to be men. But if there had been women among them it would have been great too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/24 05:43 AM |
| 8 | Young women are the most progressive group in American history. Young men are checked out. (Young men are increasingly voting conservative and as a Young man myself I’m not surprised, lots of male issues are ignored, invalidated and scoffed at. The left need to fix this)You are stupid for jumping in on a sub, not reading a single post and feeling entitled to as a newcomer ask others to inform you. The whole sub can inform you if you just take the trouble! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Young women are the most progressive group in American history. Young men are checked out. (Young men are increasingly voting conservative and as a Young man myself I’m not surprised, lots of male issues are ignored, invalidated and scoffed at. The left need to fix this)See the link I posted yesterday, which makes a lot more sense than the Guardian’s whining imho: https://www.amazon.com.au/How-Democrats-Can-Back-Understanding-ebook/dp/B0D8CX44VQ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 07:08 PM |
| 0 | Men and the Democratic Party‘Left’ is not a holy scripture hewn in stone for eternity. Neither is it something that men automatically like if it doesn’t like them. Why do women vote different than men? Your advice may be well-meant, but it’s too abstract. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 05:18 PM |
| 2 | Men and the Democratic PartyFirst, let me say something about the video with Chris Voss. I like it very much. It strikes me that Voss returns all the time to issues of dating, sexuality, but even more lifelong bonds, raising families etc. I think he’s right. A lot of men’s issues boil down to that. Women climbing the social ladder and still wanting to date up prevent relationships coming into being. On the other hand: men will sooner end up in abusive (by their partner) relationships and disastrous divorce courts if they h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 01:12 PM |
| 0 | Men and the Democratic PartyYes, just like in a cultural sense I’m sometimes surprised by what is said on this sub. Are men really forced to be masculine all the time? Especially in the Dutch middle class, men have always been rather genderless. Masculine men are considered a bit vulgar; the same used to go for feminine women too, but they’re ’power women’ now. Imho it would be liberating if liberal, intellectual men had the freedom to be a bit MORE masculine. (That masculine women are also considered ‘power women’ and tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 12:41 PM |
| 2 | Men and the Democratic PartyI agree with Sutton that a pro-male agenda might win just enough men, even if it’s a small percentage, to win the elections. The risk, on the other hand, might be, that hardcore feminists who see the Democrats as their political home will be disappointed and either not vote at all or vote an independent candidate. But you never know. And as a European I may miss some details, in spite of the world wide availability of publications. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 07:07 AM |
| 2 | Men and the Democratic PartyI’m more or less a social democrat myself. Social democrats are not against free markets as such. Neoliberalism on the other hand sees the state as the core of the problem and wants virtually everything done by free markets; it is the ideology that leans on the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman etc. Maybe I used the word ‘cultural’ too easily when I actually meant something broader: everything that harms men which has less to do with capitalism than with feminism. No White House commission for … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 06:34 AM |
| 6 | Men and the Democratic PartyThis looks like a birthday present when it’s not even my birthday!🎂 Later on the day I’ll update this comment. But as you should be in bed now anyway (here it’s almost 8 a.m.) I hope you’ll be patient. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 05:43 AM |
| 3 | Men and the Democratic PartyIn other words: neoliberalism hurts men more than it does women. So the Democratic Party should totally abandon it. Very good point. It doesn’t cover the more cultural issues that harm men as a result of gynocentrism, sex negativity etc. Neither does it look at the risk that many American men (as a result of the curious history of the continent?) will prefer a survivor mentality over any support by the government. But that doesn’t change the fact that the core of your comment is spot on. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/24 05:39 AM |
| 4 | Men and the Democratic PartyThe host talks a lot about the strange standards around sexual harassment, a topic often avoided by more moderate male advocates. And while Sutton is not much initiating that topic himself, he doesn’t seem to disagree with him much either. For me that is one plus point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Men and the Democratic PartyThank you, I put it in an update of the post! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 06:56 PM |
| 3 | Men and the Democratic PartyIt’s not hard to hit a feminist if you aim at any left wing person or person defending an issue that is considered left wing. Unfortunately we know that. That’s why this sub is founded. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Men and the Democratic PartyIt starts in a very American, noisy way (better skip the first two minutes if that’s not your cup of tea) and after that, the host talks very fast, so to foreigners it takes some energy to follow him. But thanks, I will look at it when I have the time (and of course recommend the same to everyone else here)! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 06:24 PM |
| 1 | When arguing with conservatives or red pill followers about masculinity and being a real man. You are setting yourself up for failure if you try to paint all women in a angelic way or progressive way in this context.True, they should be allowed to be that way. But many others do. And they’d better face reality and not think ‘society’ should change to make them more attractive for potential partners. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 05:31 PM |
| 10 | Men and the Democratic PartyMy question is, of course, also a way of making the existence of this book known and get people talking about it. My paying 30 dollar, having it shipped and reading it would add little to that. Either you are not very bright, not understanding that, or you just love to be rude. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 03:37 PM |
| 2 | When arguing with conservatives or red pill followers about masculinity and being a real man. You are setting yourself up for failure if you try to paint all women in a angelic way or progressive way in this context.What does the ‘right to be feminine’ mean? If you’re looking for a female partner and only a small percentage of women fancies feminine men, you can have every right in the world but chances are big that you’ll stay single. Better be realistic about that and decide what you want. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 03:13 PM |
| 19 | Men and the Democratic PartyAlright, but don’t expect this sub to either agree with you or have a debate about it. It sounds rather irrelevant in this context. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 02:09 PM |
| 16 | Men and the Democratic PartyMaybe more people than myself are interested in this question and this book even existing. Also, I’m not wild about e-books and the paper version would be more than $30, plus transport to Europe. I’m not rich and that’s a bit much for me just to get a question answered. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 01:47 PM |
| 18 | Men and the Democratic PartyWhat has gun owner friendly to do with it? And that they’re not MRA is the very point of the book, I should think. For the rest, in the rotten US voting system the Democrats will for quite a while remain the only alternative for the likes of Trump. In most European countries there’s more choice, but unfortunately we’re not talking about that here. And the book may also be relevant for people at the left of the Democratic Party, who often are more feminist than the party itself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 01:44 PM |
| 2 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?It’s not perfect but it’s almost archaic poetry, I like it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 12:51 PM |
| 3 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?No doubt it would be a good idea. My idea of a support group would be a bit more politically oriented, but all kinds of groups can have their benefits. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 12:43 PM |
| – | How to go your own way?Try lift qi up pour qi down, a Chinese practice to feel the energy in your body and the universe. You don’t even have to really believe in that energy to profit from it, is my experience. If you do it regularly and it works for you, you’ll feel more balanced, which makes it easier to make decisions. It takes only about 20 minutes each time. There are several versions on YouTube. | /r/MenSupportMen | 23/08/24 04:50 PM |
| – | Should I work on the criticism of my ex?It depends on what you mean with ‘work on it’. Wonder in all honesty if she is right or wrong on these points and draw your own conclusions: yeah. Deciding a priori she is right and you must improve yourself: never a very good idea. | /r/MenSupportMen | 23/08/24 11:19 AM |
| 4 | How to respond to “who set that system up?”?‘Understandably averse’. It is understandable in a culture that assumes women can only make the right choices and that ‘the best’ is ‘not good enough for them’. In a universe where the possibility of wrong choices and the worth of good advice are normal phenomena, that adversity is just stubbornness. And a man with money IS a ‘top man’. Career success is one of the easiest ways to measure ‘good genes’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 08:06 PM |
| 3 | How to respond to “who set that system up?”?There is no patriarchy. Society cares more for women’s than for men’s issues. The economic system is set up by the bourgeoisie - only a small minority of men, applauded, supported and often even pushed by their female partners. The system of gender relationships is not ‘set up’ but the result of a natural state, corrected by cultural influences, more in favour of women than of men. But if you tell feminists those things, they will look flabbergasted for they know and believe little more than the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 06:52 PM |
| 2 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Indeed, many feminist will call a group like that a priori anti-feminist. But ignore that, don’t mention feminism while founding the group and make sure free speech is guaranteed. That should be enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 02:32 PM |
| 1 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Sounds more like an MRA education group than a mutual support group. Feel free to try it, but I doubt if there’s a big market for it and if it will be more effective than men both practically and emotionally supporting each other. Just casually explaining not all feminist dogmas are consistent with reality can already be a big blow for feminism. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/24 11:42 AM |
| 1 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I’d say: don’t institutionalise it too much. Start with a handful of men just talking about issues. Not too much publicity. Admit new members one at a time. Only make it bigger (if that ever happens) when the narrative within the group is strong enough to not be smashed by feminists. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/24 05:11 AM |
| 0 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?That’s as if men are never or seldom hurt because of their relationships, in the widest sense, with women. It will neutralise anything I meant with this proposal. The members of the group will talk about pay gaps if that’s relevant for the subject talked about. If not, they won’t. And that goes for all other issues. And of course men may support women. Suggesting that’s the same as feminism is either feminist or misogynist. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/24 05:08 AM |
| 2 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?We couldn’t do that if we wanted, men as a group don’t know an us vs them in-group solidarity like that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Like I said, begin with a question on the subreddit of your home town. Let people react with a personal message. Also send a personal message to the people who reacted more or less positive on the post itself but still doubted. Then make a group (on Reddit or f ex on mail, Messenger or WhatsApp) and then try and get as many men of the group together as soon as possible. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/24 06:02 PM |
| 8 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Because many men will think about antifeminism when supporting each other, and not without reason. Many people on the other hand will already see a non-feminist men’s group as antifeminist, because they think men’s real interests can only be guaranteed by feminism. But I wouldn’t mention feminism at all when posting a request for such a group. I would have my thoughts about how I wanted it to be, but without pushing it too fast. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 05:46 PM |
| 6 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I think to start with, make it an all-men’s group. Not for traditional reasons but for sharing the same experiences. Then, make sure you’ll be more or less the leader the first few times. My experience is that that is not so hard if you’re the founder of the group; often it’s actually harder to make the others also take initiative. Once it’s clear that ‘politically incorrect’ opinions are welcome as long as they remain respectful, you can loosen the reins. There may still be difficulties but the… | /r/MensRights | 21/08/24 05:40 PM |
| 6 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Good, but my idea was starting irl groups. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/pcRqTtWbgy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 04:42 PM |
| 7 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Like, you’re in an unemployed men’s group and the narrative becomes: our problems are the result of patriarchal expectations. Or you’re in a group of divorced fathers and they say: every negative comment on the mothers is sexism. Or in a group of single men and the moral becomes: it’s all due to our macho way of being raised that we can’t get a partner. Etc etc. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 04:40 PM |
| 7 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I don’t actually think the risk is that big. But if you raise a practical and mental support group for men that does more than socialising - that may be different than the groups you’re talking about - there’s always the chance some feminist men will join in, maybe not even to take it over, but just assuming their way to approach things is the only right one. You don’t have to throw them out, just don’t let them dominate. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 04:29 PM |
| 2 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Don’t know that. Is it irl? (There’s already mensupportmen subs.) And how did you think of organising it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 03:30 PM |
| 7 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?You don’t even have to be explicit about your attitude towards feminism. Just make sure the developments don’t turn it into a feminist ‘ally’ group where other opinions are hard to express. Especially when you want something more than just socialising, and this post wasn’t meant mainly for socialising. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 02:39 PM |
| 3 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I never said the MRM did nothing for men. I said feminists falsely used the scarcity of IRL activity as ‘proof’ for it. I explicitly called that hypocritical. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 02:36 PM |
| 7 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?Partly true. I do have friends I can talk with for hours, but men often get together in other ways. But one must be creative to find a way to combine it with (one of) the issues mentioned above. In fact, that may be one of the reasons why mutual support around those issues is hard sometimes. It may also be the way of talking about things. Jokes, rawdy sometimes, and teasing each other may be more wholesome for men than a therapeutic, over-empathic atmosphere. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 01:40 PM |
| 10 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I started a non-woke group that turned out to be a men’s group. That was more or less a lucky strike. A few years ago I tried to start a single men’s group with help of the local social work. Whether incompetence or gynocentrism, but they all but sabotaged it. If I had used the local subreddit instead it probably would have been more successful. Being a granddad now and feeling both loved and connected enough not to bother with romantic partners, a group like that isn’t my priority anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 01:34 PM |
| 1 | This sub is the best male oriented sub ever !Alright, that makes me trust it a lot more. I may not agree with everything but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 12:27 PM |
| 10 | Starting non-feminist men’s groups: a way to get things going irl?I’d say: just try. If you raise the question on a local sub, no matter how moderately and reasonably, you may be verbally abused for hours and that isn’t a nice experience. But if nevertheless only two or three men react positively and that becomes a lasting alliance, that may be worth it. I promise nothing, but IF it happens it may even improve your mindset. Btw I agree there’s too much misandry around and too little empathy for men, but I don’t see this absolutely bleak reality you sketch. Don… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 12:22 PM |
| 1 | This sub is the best male oriented sub ever !‘Misandry-free’ sounds rather vague to me. It can mean: ‘we don’t hate men, patriarchy hurts men too, and if they only learn to behave like good allies we’ll like them alright’. It may not be that bad, but a group like that will really have to prove itself to me before I’m convinced. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 10:56 AM |
| 2 | This sub is the best male oriented sub ever !Only the more reason to address it amply in this sub, including all thoughts that come up as long as they don’t break our rules, even if you might be unhappy with some of them, to prevent all lonely and celibate men to flee to those more dubious groups. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 10:52 AM |
| 1 | Norah Vincent diedNot impossible. Compared to the Dutch communists who felt homeless after they realised they fought their whole life for bullshit or worse. A very impressive film, ‘De Berg’, the Mountain, was made about that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/24 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Norah Vincent diedTrue, but afaik the experience of the year as a man was rather intense and quite sad, but not that traumatic, not like a POW experience or something like that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 07:05 AM |
| 1 | What myths exist in feminist circles about the men's rights movement?I see the point in that. But how exactly do you think you’re going to do that? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/24 08:00 PM |
| 8 | What myths exist in feminist circles about the men's rights movement?There’s still a difference between being patient and not caring imho. Anyway, feminist hegemony won’t just go away by itself. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/24 03:34 PM |
| 1 | Anyone else overwhelmed by the dating advice?One of the big problems nowadays is that people don’t live in big groups of friends and acquaintances anymore. In the old times, relationships were not the result of dating but of two people knowing each other for a long time and concluding they might make a good match. It worked that way for my parents: they were part of a students’ association that after college largely fell apart in pairs, that almost all stayed together for the rest of their lives. Nowadays, a man who has been a friend of a … | /r/MenSupportMen | 11/08/24 09:52 AM |
| 2 | Are current dating dynamics just fucked?One more category: men they can friendzone, men they can have good talks with, empathic men who listen to them - but who will be accused of a ‘nice guy syndrome’ as soon as they start to even just wonder why so many women want to be friends but not lovers, even complain to them about the men they do have sex with while still having sex with those ‘unfeeling machos’. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/24 07:16 AM |
| 13 | What myths exist in feminist circles about the men's rights movement?In case you didn’t notice: they still have the hegemony in media, education and culture. Unless you have magic power, it may take some decades before that rotting starts. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/24 06:52 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else overwhelmed by the dating advice?But this is not how the world should be. Most men are simply too heterosexual to take your point of view. And that’s a good thing in spite of everything, for a world in which men and women don’t give a crap about each other is the worst dystopia one can imagine. That is not to say you didn’t make the right choice for yourself, at least when it comes to dating. Still, I’d advice you to keep contact with the more human kind of women outside that field. | /r/MenSupportMen | 11/08/24 06:49 AM |
| 9 | What myths exist in feminist circles about the men's rights movement?‘Myths’ is hardly the word when you talk about a movement the vast majority knows nothing about, and the rest shamelessly lies about. Like: they’re all incels, ultraconservative traditionalists, rape apologists, racist, sexist and homophobic, Trump voters or in Europe extreme right voters, Andrew Tate and the likes of him are their leaders, Jordan Peterson is also one and he’s just like Andrew Tate; in short, nothing you can’t make up to defame any movement or any group of men. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/24 06:43 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else overwhelmed by the dating advice?The problem is that women are a lot more selective, more often bisexual, and have a less lonely life than men when single. So the demands for men are incredibly high, especially in a society where life long monogamous relationships are no longer the norm and women earn their own bread. At the same time, these demands are vague. This horrible truth is masked by endless dating advices. When a man fails, it’s never the fault of the rigged dating market and always because he didn’t follow up all the… | /r/MenSupportMen | 11/08/24 06:31 AM |
| 1 | Are there any left-leaning pro-male online personalities?Cathy Young, Helen Pluckrose. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/24 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Are there any left-leaning pro-male online personalities?It’s easier for women to state they’re left wing but not feminists. Men will have a harder time being believed at all. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/24 01:53 PM |
| 1 | Are there any left-leaning pro-male online personalities?Prim Reaper who is, like Karen Straughan, part of the Honey Badgers, but more left leaning. YouTube. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/24 01:52 PM |
| 3 | Why I can’t call myself a feministThere were always, at least in the largest part of the 20th century, and long before the 2th feminist wave, successful female authors, artists, businesswomen, politicians, scientists; not as many as men; but neither were they considered rare freaks; and they wouldn’t have been able to exist at all in the mythical patriarchy feminism talks about. And when around 1970 women stated that things had to change, the vast majority of people in power gave in and said: yes, we’re gonna work on this. Again… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/24 12:14 PM |
| 0 | Why I can’t call myself a feminist(Many, I always have to put in ‘many’ on this sub) women can’t find that because they prefer dominant, competitive, successful men. That’s possibly a remnant of evolution. Alright. But they must not be surprised if those men are often not so egalitarian, nor conclude that those egalitarian men don’t exist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/24 12:07 PM |
| 2 | Sex is a need for men and that's okayStraight men are in the position that gay men were half a century ago: it’s alright for you to be that way, for we’re all for everyone’s freedom, but don’t let anybody notice it for it might make them feel uncomfortable and let’s face it, basically it IS dirty isn’t it? | /r/MensRights | 26/07/24 02:55 PM |
| 1 | "Teaching boys to treat women properly."Many boys need to be taught to approach girls at all. Instead of being supported, they’re told all the time how they can do it wrong, which makes them feel like it’s safer to stay away from girls, or at least have no romantic or sexual intentions. The whole thing comes close to heterophobia. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/24 05:59 AM |
| 8 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?O yes, men should seek therapy. My doctor said I should visit a psychologist who was linked to her practice. I told the psychologist my story. She said: shouldn’t you accept your life just as it is? I said: that’s an easy way to earn your money. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/24 07:22 PM |
| 9 | One of the most glaring Feminist contradictions‘Even’ those at the top? 👻 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 06:45 AM |
| 30 | One of the most glaring Feminist contradictionsSomething that has become more or less common knowledge on this sub: stereotypes of black men are just stereotypes of men in general on steroids. This makes feminist sexism against men come dangerously close to some kind of milquetoast racism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 06:44 AM |
| 2 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsWell, I’ve seen too many videos of Janice and others - even moderates like Christina Hoff Sommers - being silenced by these gender studies people to have many doubts about that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 06:20 AM |
| 2 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsShe’ll be booed by them without any slip up anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 05:21 AM |
| 1 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsNobody reacted to you for hours. I was the first to take the trouble to explain to you, with good intentions, why that was. To begin with, you clearly had some wrong assumptions about (the general convictions in) this group. Others then explained other sides of why you were downvoted. You simply don’t seem to take your disappointment well. It’s not a question of ideologically pure, I’m one of the ideologically most impure people myself. It’s a question of being uninformed and asking people endle… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 05:18 AM |
| 5 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsIf I had to read every book that sounded crap based on what I know, I didn’t have time to eat or sleep. I base my criticism on what you say and I don’t see you defending it convincingly at all. And again: inform yourself about men’s issues in a non-feminist way before asking the men on this sub why they don’t like the feminist way. We can spend half our time answering people stepping in with questions like that. About your remark about patriarchy: I said enough about that on a reaction on somebo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 06:17 PM |
| 1 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughts‘The whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ is such a general, overused (not only in this context), essentially at best ambiguous slogan, that it’s irresistibly waiting to be misused. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 05:20 PM |
| 11 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsThis is mostly about men’s role under capitalism. It’s easy for feminists to criticise that, while ignoring harm done to men in everyday life by women and especially feminists. It’s a very selective recognition of men’s plight. And about men dying in wars: I never heard about a feminist stating too many men died in wars and concluding the numbers should be more equally divided. Most feminist who say that draw a pacifist conclusion. That may be sincere, but it’s also a bit cheap. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 05:15 PM |
| 3 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as such🙏👍 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 04:25 PM |
| 2 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as suchYes, you would hardly be able to join a night together by bicycle. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 04:23 PM |
| 12 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as suchI think he was triggered because he recommended me a party (Green Left) and I said I’d been a member but didn’t find the discussion atmosphere really open there. Some people think that when you’re allowed to say: ‘Well… I admit some Muslims are too fundamentalist…’ that makes your party totally open and undogmatic. I’m not one of them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 04:22 PM |
| 3 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as suchThank you! But I think we’ll keep it an irl group, and I think it’s easier to find right-wing people who disagree with ‘leftist’ dogmas, for obvious reasons. Where DO you live? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 04:13 PM |
| 3 | Why Men Enter And Exit The ‘Manosphere’—By A (Male) PsychologistIt’s not rejection as such that turns men into incels or redpillers. A man that isn’t hurt much already will know rejection is part of life. But when they’re shamed for trying to approach women at all; ridiculed for their looks or other characteristics; gaslighted that male loneliness is not a societal problem but their own fault; lied about women’s preferences (‘they want soft, empathic, not too masculine men’; my ass), disadvantaged by society saying to women ‘the best isn’t good enough for th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 03:47 PM |
| 8 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsFiamengo stopped long being a feminist and hates feminism with a hate hot as lava. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 03:22 PM |
| 3 | Why Men Enter And Exit The ‘Manosphere’—By A (Male) PsychologistFeminists prefer publicity for Andrew Tate to publicity for Warren Farrell. They love to suggest that any criticism of their ideology is misogynist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 03:17 PM |
| 1 | Why Men Enter And Exit The ‘Manosphere’—By A (Male) Psychologist‘… for what they consider as men’s rights’… hardly any need to read any further. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 03:15 PM |
| 5 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as such😈 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 02:04 PM |
| 5 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as such🙏 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 12:38 PM |
| 17 | An irl men’s group… originally not even meant as such🙏 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 12:38 PM |
| 1 | How can they criticise us for not being able to discuss our issues without bringing up feminism when they also can't discuss our issues without bringing up feminismThis is so trivial that you shouldn’t even feel obliged, or seduced, to participate in such discussions. It’s like ‘yeah, black’s issues are no doubt important, but why always whine again about white racists?’ or ‘Gay issues are important, but can they shut up for a while about heteronormativity?’ Let feminists criticise concrete men’s rights issues, so you can tell them why you disagree with them or not. Those general comments are insincere and a waste of energy to talk about. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 08:47 AM |
| 38 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughts‘Patriarchy hurts men too’ is the almost caricatural textbook feminist pseudo pro-male cliche and everybody studying men’s issues for a while knows that. No doubt you mean well, but frankly you maybe should inform yourself more about the animosity between feminism and men’s issues, if only by reading the posts on this sub, to understand why the likes of bell hooks aren’t exactly popular here. Neither, contrary to what you seem to believe, is intersectionality, though a minority here might like i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 08:34 AM |
| 1 | We need to copy feminism if we are to succeedNot a bad idea. Homelessness, suicide, loneliness. Once there’s a campaign about it, we can jump on the bandwagon and point out how it especially affects men. Next, most important step is: preventing that it becomes part of the ‘patriarchy hurts men too’- narrative. The campaigns don’t have to become MRA- campaigns, maybe even better not. Crucial is that they will restore healthy empathy for men and a normal tendency to listen to them. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/24 06:03 AM |
| 2 | UK based LWMAs, are you noticing a moral panic brewing again?If those same people said: ‘Yes, but blacks are largely killed by other blacks…’ They’d never be welcome in their salon-leftist groups anymore. But the same about men… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/24 06:41 PM |
| 1 | Is the empathy gap genetic?It’s hard. But at least men opting out, massive loneliness, influence of snakecharmers like Andrew Tate are getting noticed. Even if it doesn’t improve sympathy for men, people will see the danger in it. Desperate men can become desperados, it’s not the same word for nothing. At the moment it will be blamed on patriarchy and toxic masculinity, and the solution will be seen in teaching men to be less masculine and more feminist. But that won’t work, and anyway no program can be implemented withou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/24 07:36 AM |
| 2 | Is the empathy gap genetic?I don’t think any serious evpsych expert will say things are either good or unavoidable because we have those tendencies. But it’s good to know the tendencies, and decide whether controlling them rationally is worthwhile or does more bad than good. About f ex meeting new people all the time: it sounds very enlightening and adventurous, but is it basically healthy? Do many problems of modern times (like - why not - too many women distrusting men) not stem exactly from that phenomenon? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 05:52 PM |
| 0 | Is the empathy gap genetic?I think it’s no doubt genetic. So is the tendency to eat as many calories as possible. Both had their function in the ice age. We should call out gynocentrism and make clear when it happens, but not blame it on some societal conspiracy. Why would society promote it in the first place if there was no innate tendency to it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 05:46 PM |
| 4 | UK based LWMAs, are you noticing a moral panic brewing again?What is called ‘femicide’ is often the result of the deplorable attraction of certain women to ‘dark triad’ men. If a man kills a woman he has or had a relationship with (the essence of the femicide narrative) no doubt he is one of those dark triad men. That’s not victim blaming: I don’t blame those women for their preferences, but I think they should much more be called out as dangerous and not ‘their own business’. But society is more interested in blaming manhood for dead women than in preven… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Men are separated on purposeI’m not too afraid this sub will get shut down soon. It’s not impossible, but it’s been here for years and quite open about its antifeminism. As long as people are careful enough to write ‘some women’ or ‘many women’ instead of ‘women’ - I know it’s childish, but that’s the way it is - accusations of ‘hate speech’ will not quickly have any consequences. | /r/MensRights | 10/07/24 12:50 PM |
| 4 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?You’re too friendly. I’m not gonna put energy in explaining the obvious, probably only to be asked more obvious things, like a child that keeps asking ‘Why? Why? Why?’ ‘The vague category of animal’, really. From somebody who calls others unscientific. Any biologist and any normal person can tell you what ‘animal’ means. And recommending those books to people who ‘haven’t read shite’ (as you apparently suppose most people here have) makes it only worse. They don’t have any intellectual or scient… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/07/24 06:52 AM |
| 2 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?I really recognise zero point zero in your description of evpsych. Neither can I imagine how somebody can think humans are not an animal species with their own innate habits, including sexual dynamics. The burden of proof is on people who think otherwise. And what should be researched is not IF those habits are there, but WHAT they are. But yes, for someone who prefers Foucault and Judie Butler and ‘feminists criticising Plato’ as the most reliable sources about the nature of gender issues, evps… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/07/24 06:24 AM |
| 15 | Why do women get triggered when they hear men invented 90% of the inventions ? I mean it's just a fact , I don't see any credit taking.Because they see every violent deed done by men as proof that masculinity (nature or nurture) is something bad; but when that would mean every good thing done by men for humanity proves masculinity is something good, it screws up their theoretical narrative. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/24 07:48 PM |
| 3 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?Thank you! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 04:29 PM |
| 7 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?I hope you mean: being considered right, convince others that you’re right, in other words, win arguments. All those things are, indeed, futile and have only practical use. But I think being right as such is CRUCIAL to find the right solutions for problems. With the wrong assumptions you’ll fail again and again. That means you always have to be willing to incorporate new facts and reasoning in your thinking. And avoid confirmation bias there: too many people think facts irrelevant and reasoning … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 03:35 PM |
| 4 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?Still be careful about it. Drawing conclusions you don’t like is not the same as ‘misusing’, nor a reason to call those conclusions ‘exaggerated’. Social sciences always have a certain amount of subjectivity in them, and it’s only too easy to denounce some research just because of that. Just saying. Maybe you don’t do those things. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 02:47 PM |
| 3 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?I think this a very good book. By a (former?) feminist philosopher who believed in male and female ‘sameness’ for decades until she concluded it simply didn’t work out. She’s citing loads of unsuspect scientific sources. She calls herself a feminist, but when you read the book, she clearly means ‘egalitarian’. Just a pity the book is so expensive; in Dutch it’s quite affordable, especially as an e-book. https://www.amazon.com/Whos-Afraid-Charles-Darwin-Evolutionary/dp/074254351X | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 02:33 PM |
| 3 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?Nothing more unscientific than denouncing scientific findings because ‘they are misused’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 01:45 PM |
| 3 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?It may not be meaningful in how I interact with others (thinking again, no doubt it is - most women I am attracted to do have some ‘traditional’ attractiveness, I don’t know about you) but it certainly is in how women interact with me. I knew a woman who had sex with a boy but thought him too boring to ask him on her birthday. She never wanted sex with me (I’m not complaining, that’s just the way it was) but welcomed me on her birthday. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 01:44 PM |
| 6 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?You forget that ‘good parenthood’ in the 21th century differs from ‘good parenthood’ among hunter-gatherers, and our genes don’t change as quickly as society does. Nowadays largely equal roles may be very well possible. In primeval days, strong, competitive men, and caring and (for the in-group) empathic women may have been the perfect match, as they are in most mammals. So our instinctive preferences will still largely have that same tendency. You can regret that and state people should know be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 01:21 PM |
| 1 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?It’s not the best book by far, but still a whole lot better than evpsych-deniers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 01:09 PM |
| 6 | The Gendered Killing of Men and the Double Standard of itYes, like Karen Straughan says: feminism puts such emphasis on ‘deconstructing’ language. So if they’re for equality, why has the good thing (feminism) a female name and the bad thing (patriarchy) male? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 01:03 PM |
| 9 | The Gendered Killing of Men and the Double Standard of itReally, those feminists invading non-feminist men’s groups shouting ‘patriarchy is to blame’ - I don’t know if they’re more irritating or hilarious. At least they should a bit look around where they are and if they do have sensible counter-arguments, bring them more intelligently. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 06:28 AM |
| 5 | The Gendered Killing of Men and the Double Standard of itNo self-respecting patriarch would let his daughter come within a mile of a dark triad man, and he’d make sure she got married to a decent bourgeois. Of course I’m not totally serious here, but not totally joking either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 06:23 AM |
| 6 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?This is such strawmanning that I even don’t know where to begin. All evpsych books I read very carefully considered counterarguments etc. and brought tons of evidence. Not a single one denied that differences between men and women are always average differences. Of course it’s easy to pick out some bad examples in any field, especially social-psychological fields, and suggest it’s all like that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 05:47 AM |
| 11 | There is nothing inherently wrong with men finding more positive forms of masculinity. It's only a problem when you forced a standard on all men to live up to a certain form of masculinity.I miss a bit in your story that positive masculinity can also mean: traditional masculinity. I often see leftist or alternative men behave as ‘non-masculine’ as possible for fear of being called dominant, sexist etc. I know I did when I grew up and was still shaping and cultivating my personality. Looking back I really wish I’d been (a bit) more masculine. Both for myself and my social skills. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 04:05 PM |
| 10 | The Gendered Killing of Men and the Double Standard of it‘Femicide’ has less to do with ‘patriarchy’ than with the deplorable preference of some women for dark triad men. They’re fascinated by them although they know they’re bad, also for themselves. They stay with them till it’s too late. No doubt this will be called victim-blaming, while I think admitting this fact is the only chance of a solution to the problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 03:55 PM |
| 34 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?The problem with evpsych in men-women-dynamics is not there’s too much of it. The problem is there’s too little of it. Some people shun any research for fear of being called traditionalist or social Darwinist. The result is that other people see human sexuality as the sexuality of just any mammal, or any vertebrate. While it would be interesting to find out what is specific for humans. Frans de Waal, otherwise a very good primatologist, unfortunately more or less failed in his book ‘Different’ b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Newcomer here. Im not exactly sure what means "leftwing" in the name of the sub.Please don’t let all the downvotes discourage you! It’s simply a lazy and impolite custom on Reddit, and easy because it happens anonymously. I’m not saying I never downvote posts or reactions, but never because I simply disagree. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 08:58 AM |
| 3 | Newcomer here. Im not exactly sure what means "leftwing" in the name of the sub.I think we want to avoid coupling men’s rights and issues to sexism, alt-right, Trumpism, you name it. Not that that always happens (r/mensrights f ex isn’t so bad as some people think it is) but the risk is always there. Some people here want the sub to be for ‘moderate’ men’s advocates, or even something between r/mensrights and r/menslib. They shun every thought that even vaguely smells of traditionalism and rather avoid evpsych. I’m not one of them, but not everyone here has to be the same. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 08:37 AM |
| 2 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?CraftisOf was right: go back to Men’s Lib. That’s exactly what you’re looking for. Or debate in a serious way. Shouting ‘patriarchy’ and expecting us to for the umpteenth time explain why we don’t believe in it is NOT serious debate, let alone shouting ‘incel’ etc etc. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/24 06:37 AM |
| 9 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?Great! What she forgot (but a woman can easily forget that): you have to take initiative to women for every romantic or sexual encounter, but it will be considered creepy, harassment or even assault when the woman in question happens not to like your style. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 02:30 PM |
| 3 | What are your constructive criticisms for the MRM, if any?We should try and put up men’s self-help groups around different themes. F ex health, poverty, single men, men in relationships, (divorced) fathers, soldiers and veterans, boys, older men etc. They don’t have to be explicit MRA groups as long as we keep them out of the claws of feminism, so non-feminist opinions can be vented. For many issues, at the moment this might be a more fruitful approach than explicit political action. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 02:09 PM |
| 7 | What are your constructive criticisms for the MRM, if any?They’re different on average but there is overlap. Therefore they should be equal for the law but no affirmative action. Also it’s legitimate to have special support for problems that affect mainly one sex. F ex dating problems are different for gay or straight men, gay or straight women, all four groups. They all have equal rights but should be addressed differently. That’s no rocket science imho. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 02:00 PM |
| 3 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?I boycott Gillette since their infamous commercial, but there are probably too many gynocentric companies to boycott all of them. And as said, it’s mainly women buying those products. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 12:23 PM |
| 8 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?They also have a large consumer power. Most money may be earned by men, it is spent by women. So for big companies, it pays to bring commercials and amusement that applaud Girl Power and all that bs. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 11:04 AM |
| 6 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?Alright, but we don’t have to be patient to every feminist man who uninformed jumps into MRA territory to lecture us, supposing WE don’t know a thing about gender issues. It consumes lots of energy and sometimes I suspect that’s exactly their aim. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 10:18 AM |
| 6 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?You haven’t even started studying men’s issues from a non-feminist perspective and you imagine you can lecture hundreds of people who have. That is ignorant and even impolite. Do you suppose all those people will take time to give you the information you can find abundantly on this sub and elsewhere? | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 10:10 AM |
| 51 | Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?The whole speech is very enlightening because it makes exactly clear what feminists do: installing and reinforcing excessive social anxiety in women - someone who looks neurotically for real or imagined expectations that she (or he for that matter) can’t fulfil never has to look hard - and then offering feminism as THE solution, that will bring us a utopia where those expectations don’t exist. That is such nonsense that I don’t even know where to start. And of course, benefitting women that way … | /r/MensRights | 07/07/24 08:00 AM |
| 5 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?For beginners there’s always this list. Not all of these issues require gendered solutions, but at least it makes clear how ‘privileged’ men are. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 07:48 AM |
| 1 | The destruction of positive male role models grooms society to bow to authoritarian leadersHe can be the spark in the powder keg, as such that is not so improbable. But feminists don’t seem to realise it’s only possible after years and years of ignoring men’s issues, ridiculing them and making them suspect, until a group gets so fed up that they’ll look for anybody who promises to show them the way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/24 01:12 PM |
| 1 | The destruction of positive male role models grooms society to bow to authoritarian leadersExactly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 03:26 PM |
| 8 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”Of course; whatever you do to ask attention for men’s issues will be interpreted as misogyny. But there is another reason to keep our terminology clear and make a distinction between misandry and anti-male sexism. Many men who are new to men’s issues think feminism wouldn’t be so bad if there weren’t so many feminists explicitly hating men. The Tin Man even once made a post expressing that opinion. By making aforementioned distinction, we’ll be able to make shortcuts in otherwise endless and rep… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 12:21 PM |
| 3 | What are some mens issues that people usually don't know aboutInteraction with children. Men are always more suspect. Women can say things, touch children etc in a way that would be considered creepy or worse from a man. Personally I do volunteer work with children and am validated for it alright, but I always walk on tiptoes, doing my best not to cause any ‘suspicion’. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/24 11:03 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people usually don't know aboutEvery famous or successful woman of the far or recent past is proof of Women Power. Every other woman is proof of patriarchy. That way, feminism always has a point. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/24 11:00 AM |
| 9 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”True, but we surely shouldn’t lower ourselves to that level and preferably not near to it. ‘Sexism against men’ is a much clearer and easier defendable term than ‘misandry’ in many cases. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 10:16 AM |
| 13 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”Thank you! Finding ourselves at odds with each other in a respectful way is what this sub is for imho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 07:36 AM |
| 54 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”I stopped following PsyPost for quite a while. Too often they had sensational revelations like ‘Gays tend to be less homophobic than straight men’ and that as if that was a great achievement of those gays and it made the straight ones a bit suspect. But I think the question if we should call feminists ‘misandrists’ is overrated on this sub. Most feminists are not like Valerie Solanas. They like men - as long as they support boundless affirmative action for women (and all other feminist issues), … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 06:00 AM |
| 50 | There is a huge contradiction between feminists saying women can't differentiate good men from bad men, and feminists also saying only creepy men worry about false allegations.Don’t expect feminism to be logical! Don’t expect feminism to be logical! Don’t expect feminism to be logical! It’s always fun to dig deeper into their arguments and find out they ain’t. And it may be useful in discussions with the few people who aren’t convinced either way. But we don’t need it to be sure of our position and it’s, frankly, a bit naive to be surprised about a conclusion like this. What always happens is exactly how you describe it: they’ll embrace any slogan that proves women ar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/24 12:33 PM |
| 4 | The destruction of positive male role models grooms society to bow to authoritarian leadersMaybe neoliberalism is a better word here than capitalism. Moderate capitalism, like Europe used to have the first decades after WWII, can be quite beneficial. The variety that Friedman, Thatcher and Reagan brought was disastrous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/24 12:23 PM |
| 8 | The destruction of positive male role models grooms society to bow to authoritarian leadersTate gets lots of publicity because gynocentric, feminist society prefers publicity for Tate, so they can pretend he’s the face of men’s rights and anti-feminism, to publicity for Warren Farrell, Prim Reaper, Janice Fiamengo, the Red Pill film, which would really endanger them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/24 12:17 PM |
| 8 | LeftWingMaleAdvocatesNot everyone on Reddit has English as their first language. Be a bit lenient about that. | /r/MensRights | 03/07/24 01:16 PM |
| 3 | How do folks feel about men's groups?Not even riding goats? I was thinking of joining them, but that is a big disappointment! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 12:58 PM |
| 6 | How do folks feel about men's groups?I tried to set up a single men’s group with help of the local social work. Actually I was willing to to the lion’s share of the work, unpaid. All I needed was their network, their access to (social) media and the opportunity to remain anonymous. Adding my name to it felt too vulnerable, especially in case the project failed. They all but sabotaged it, maybe not even consciously. To start with, there was just money for six hours work every week available for men’s issues (after the millions put i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 12:31 PM |
| 5 | How do folks feel about men's groups?What do you mean ‘imposition’? Nobody is forced to join a men’s or women’s group. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 11:48 AM |
| 16 | How do folks feel about men's groups?Why wouldn’t we need any kind of masculinity or femininity? We’re men and women, not just between our legs but also in our brains. We have had umpteen discussions about that on this sub, always resulting in the conclusion that nature does play a significant role, but always again there’s people coming up believing in this blank slate and social construct ideas. Frankly it’s rather exhausting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 06:19 AM |
| 2 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryVery much true, and with feminism it’s even worse imho. In a society teeming with affirmative action and concern for women’s safety, feminist organisations need funding by claiming to erase everything that might make any woman uncomfortable. Actually a totalitarian claim, not workable but even then harming men more than enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/24 05:22 PM |
| 1 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.Principally I very much agree. But as it’s hard enough to bring up even the most blatantly evident men’s issues, we’ll have a long way to go before there will be room for this. There are even MRA’s blaming men for bringing this up, fearing it will make it harder to bring up other issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/24 12:58 PM |
| 3 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.No doubt you’re right about that. In our society women are told too often ‘the best isn’t good enough for you’. Which in a way even can be true, as ‘the best’ according to genetic preferences often is not that good in practice. But what I don’t believe is that their preference for (over)stoic men is just something cultural, no matter whether you blame it on ‘patriarchy’ or ‘gynocentrism’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/24 02:58 PM |
| 2 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.I think almost every woman that doesn’t really look repulsive can find a man desperate enough to have sex with her. (Dee Brown wrote about women sent to the Wild West who, however their appearance, all found a man within a few weeks.) Only she probably won’t be that desperate. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/24 02:08 PM |
| 2 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.That’s an extreme case and those girls are probably good riddance. But that doesn’t mean all decent girls ‘should’ be attracted to emotionally extravert men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/24 02:02 PM |
| 3 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.‘Not handle’ and ‘not being attracted to’ are not the same thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 07:08 PM |
| 2 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.Men they’re attracted to MEANS men who in prehistory meant evolutionary advantages. Those preferences don’t come out of thin air. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 07:02 PM |
| 2 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.Too much strawmanning evpsych on this sub. It cripples every deeper thinking about these issues. It’s not just about ‘crying’ or not. In a pre-industrial society women needed men who were more occupied with practical solutions than with their emotions, and selected men who competed with other men. Things like that don’t just go away with a changing society. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 07:00 PM |
| 1 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.True, but can you ASK that of women? It is reasonable to ask them not to ridicule emotional men, but to be attracted to them? You can point out overcoming their natural tendencies might sometimes lead to wiser partner selection than they do now, but will they, whether traditionalists, feminists or female MRA’s, listen? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 06:54 PM |
| 7 | Does anyone else feel like this sub’s entire existence is proof that everyone assumes the worst about men’s issues?I’m afraid that tendency has already started. Many people here seem to believe in intersectional feminist assumptions minus the misandry; others state that misandry within feminism is not as bad as we think. The sub is permanently in danger of becoming a men’s lib-light. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 06:34 AM |
| 8 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.This pops up every few weeks. It ignores the real, deep needs of heterosexual men, which are belittled already in feminist society, and therefore I hardly consider it any support for men. The same statement, with just a few differences, could be made in r/menslib. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 05:10 AM |
| 7 | I was telling my sister that I’d been engaging with lots of feminist groups *and* men’s rights groups, but she was saying she doesn’t think calling them men’s rights groups is the right terminology because there’s a lot of rights that men have had over the years that women haven’tBecause it isn’t. 99999 naive women who don’t protest against that radfem silently give her the power to suggest she has 100000 voices. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 06:21 PM |
| 3 | I was telling my sister that I’d been engaging with lots of feminist groups *and* men’s rights groups, but she was saying she doesn’t think calling them men’s rights groups is the right terminology because there’s a lot of rights that men have had over the years that women haven’tThere are good rightist people too, even though some leftists might find that hard to believe. Their opinions are just very wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 03:38 PM |
| 1 | I was telling my sister that I’d been engaging with lots of feminist groups *and* men’s rights groups, but she was saying she doesn’t think calling them men’s rights groups is the right terminology because there’s a lot of rights that men have had over the years that women haven’tThey may not be misandrist but they virtually all believe in boundless affirmative action, raising children in a ‘genderless’ way even when the children clearly don’t want it, policing male sexuality so as never to make women uncomfortable and having double standards about that, preventing violence against women while largely ignoring violence against men etc etc etc etc. Stating feminism is not so bad as long as it isn’t explicit misandry misses the point by far. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 03:36 PM |
| 2 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryAt least this is more understandable. I don’t think it’s true, though. The forms and functions of the two fundamental biological sexes may have changed all the time and still do. They will, however, still be the basis on which variations will take place and won’t go away, except with widespread operations, injections of hormones etc. The reason is simply that every dimorph species survives because of heterosexual activity and that that activity depends on different strategies and behaviour of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 07:17 PM |
| 3 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryGood point, but does it mean that if the law doesn’t make different rules for different sexes or ethnic groups, social movements become superfluous? I should think not. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 05:52 PM |
| 4 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistorySacrosanct, no. That’s strawmanning evpsych in a rather ignorant way. Inherent to the human species, more or less, at least on average. Nothing absurd about that. It is the perfect right of every man not to behave in a traditional masculine way. But it is nothing short of fraud to f ex suggest to straight men that their problems with finding a partner will be over if we all turn queer. It will just leave them empty-handed and more lonely. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 05:47 PM |
| 7 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryI’m so sorry. I’m an old-fashioned person who expects logic, facts and understandable statements in reasoning; not poetry and magic formulas, no matter how pretty and enchanting they may be. It’s the only honest way to make your point clear and convince opponents or neutral bystanders. Save the rest for personal reveries, they may really have their function there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 05:40 PM |
| 10 | It seems like a lot of men are highly motivated by sex, more than they actually desire it.A lot of our behaviour towards women, even when it isn’t directly full of lust or desire, may evolutionary be reinforced by higher possibilities to get sex. Impress a woman as being strong or successful or witty or pleasant company - we may have the tendency to do that to make the chance bigger to find a partner, without all those women having to be a suitable partner, maybe even knowing very well she isn’t. Maybe we find it a lot easier to talk and get along with men, to find common subjects of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 05:34 PM |
| 6 | It seems like a lot of men are highly motivated by sex, more than they actually desire it.But women being more selective, because the energy put into procreation is much more for them, creates a self-reinforcing circle. Almost all women can have sex when they want it, so there is biologically less use in having a high drive. While most men would have their line get extinct without a high drive. And the higher their drive, the less women need to have one. All on average, of course. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 05:22 PM |
| 11 | Has there ever been a case of a female on male gang rape?Friends of mine were leading a youth camp with all girls and just one boy in it. They told me that one night, they had to save the boy from the girls. So it’s not really improbable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 06:26 PM |
| 4 | Small or big acts of male advocacy that you do ?On a personal level I do my best to support men and boys, especially my son and my grandsons. When I still was a (fiction) writing coach, I did my best to tactically point out misandry and double standards where I found it. F ex a woman had written a thriller in which all men were talking some kind of locker room talk that I didn’t recognise at all in real life. I criticised it and she thoroughly changed it. The book won the Dutch Female Thriller Award 2019 (not because of that, but just the sam… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/24 03:26 PM |
| 40 | Why does therapy so often suck for men? | Chris WilliamsonIf someone says ‘I think’ all the time, why accuse him of ‘big claims’? Since when are unproven assumptions forbidden to help thinking within a discussion going on? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 06:42 AM |
| 14 | Why do women commit less crimeI think the market for male prostitutes is simply not as big. Straight men have to put a lot of effort in getting sex; women and gay men a lot less. So only a small minority of the latter will decide for buying sex. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/24 03:39 PM |
| 4 | Why do women commit less crimeThe things you say no doubt make sense. But I still think the biological factors are not just physical strength. (Btw the fact that there’s more empathy for women and that women can more easily sell their sexuality have also to do with biology.) Somebody downvoted you for a perfect legitimate opinion I may disagree with. I don’t like those practices so I upvote you again. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/24 01:58 PM |
| 16 | Why do women commit less crimeAn original reason I once read in Areo: when women are short of money they can always flee into prostitution (it is not a nice choice, but it is a choice) while men are sooner forced to use violent crime. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/24 01:40 PM |
| 6 | Why do women commit less crimeWhy is the biological theory outdated? I think it’s just not politically correct. And the counterexamples you give are hardly convincing, as we’re always talking about averages, not absolutes. Camille Paglia put it this way: there are more male criminals for the same reason that there are more male geniuses. In other words: men are on average more competitive and risk-taking than women. It doesn’t mean the majority of men is responsible for it, it remains a small percentage; nor that ‘toxic masc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/24 01:24 PM |
| 2 | What did y'all do for men's mental health month?I played with my twin grandsons, almost 2 1/2 now, as I do every month. I can’t imagine doing anything better for the mental health of three men. (I also phone with an old friend every week, which isn’t bad either.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/24 05:11 AM |
| 3 | Many of perpetrators of violence against men perpetrate it partly because of victim's gender and it should be considered to be gender-based violence.The only advantage was that it was more consequent than the 3th, and in a way with less double standards, so you knew what to debate about. It was rather unambiguously (hetero)sex negative. 3th wave thinks it empowering if women are sexual, prettily dressed with beautiful makeup and flirtatious, but degrading when men enjoy it. 2nd wave was simply against all that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 05:25 PM |
| 2 | If we could talk about our stories, would it be way more commonLet alone the Everly Brothers. Or Hank Williams, Cliff Richard, Elvis… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 05:19 PM |
| 4 | Toxic masculinity and violenceYes, in Icelandic Sagas that often happens. Like a mother who refuses to give her sons food as long as they haven’t revenged their father. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 05:17 PM |
| 3 | If we could talk about our stories, would it be way more commonMen not sharing their stories and their stories not being heard is not traditional; it’s part of feminist culture. Singers, from the Everly Brothers to Bob Dylan to Jim Croce, sang without hesitation about being treated badly by girls. Novelists wrote about it. Even (earlier) Ruth Rendell novels are literally teeming with especially emotionally abusive women. Only lately it has become impopulair to address the subject. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 08:34 AM |
| 10 | Toxic masculinity and violenceNot as rigid; neither as it is rigid now. But biology will always play a role, especially in partner choice. More men will prefer ‘feminine’ women and more women will prefer ‘masculine’ men. The latter is even more important, as it used to be genetically in the interest of women to be very selective. Men must have the freedom to be as they want, but make themselves no illusions about that; nor blame women or ‘society’ for it when they remain single because they’re not masculine enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 08:21 AM |
| 1 | If we could talk about our stories, would it be way more commonNo doubt I’ve been in a very abusive relationship for more than ten years. A woman who never kept appointments or promises, who didn’t answer when I called her out for her behaviour, who said ‘What am I supposed to say?’ when I wanted an answer, who never gave me any permission to get angry, which included talking just a bit louder when she maddeningly irritated me, which left the dirty work of putting boundaries to the behaviour of both her daughter and the son we had together to me, who doubtl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 07:14 AM |
| 24 | Many of perpetrators of violence against men perpetrate it partly because of victim's gender and it should be considered to be gender-based violence.There was a Dutch movie around 1980, ‘The silence around Christine M’, that APPLAUDED killing a man because he was a man. It was much like the Nazi film ‘The eternal Jew’, showing how bad men had been through the ages. Many people, including male critics, considered it a great film. (In case you thought 2nd wave feminism wasn’t as bad as 3th wave…) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 07:03 AM |
| 38 | Toxic masculinity and violenceThe funny thing is, female warriors were quite common in Viking culture. Just read the incredibly violent Volsunga Saga. Even funnier: when feminists read about female warriors in the past, they see this as ‘empowering’ and ‘proof women can do anything as good as men’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 06:55 AM |
| 2 | If we could talk about our stories, would it be way more commonLet’s not buy into the illusion every human interaction can be controlled by explicit asking. It won’t, and the demands for explicitness will only get higher and higher. Touch is also a form of communication and asking first fundamentally changes it. Instead of spontaneously expressing affection it becomes asking for a favour. Of course people who don’t like being touched should be reckoned with, but they shouldn’t be the norm. My experience is that since MeToo the distance between people has be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 06:50 AM |
| 1 | A Great Divorce from all romance and family building may be one of the few ways men may finally get heard.An OP stating ‘too many men think too much with their dick’ as his comment on men longing for heterosexual intimacy is not a good example imho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/24 03:27 PM |
| 8 | A Great Divorce from all romance and family building may be one of the few ways men may finally get heard.It will not work like any other strike will work. Too many men simply have the need for some form of heterosexual intimacy. I even think that many men have become male advocates BECAUSE the way society makes it hard for them (demonising male sexuality, promoting hyperselectiveness in women) to get that kind of relationship. Then that kind of strike is the last thing they’re waiting for. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/06/24 08:35 AM |
| 3 | Do you think there’s any hope?Tom Golden had a lot of stuff in his Substack about how men can survive in this society. Personally for a while I benefited a lot from the Lift chi up poor chi down exercise, an eastern way to imagine cosmic energy flowing through you (you don’t even have to believe in it). Since I have grandsons, they provide my cosmic energy (and hopefully vice versa). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8g56T4L89w&pp=ygUZbGlmdCBjaGkgdXAgcG91ciBjaGkgZG93bg%3D%3D | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/24 04:49 PM |
| 12 | Opinion | Boys and Men Get Everything, Except the Thing That’s Most Worth HavingMaybe a few years ago I would have called this ‘progress’. But I’ve seen these half-hearted defenses of men too often in ‘left-wing’ media before. This mother may be sincere, but the policy of the media seems to be good-cop-bad-cop: a load of misandry or at best indifference towards men, followed by the occasional patriarchy-hurts-men-too story as if the wheel was reinvented. This combined with all the apex fallacy dogmas. If I’m wrong and this leads to a genuine, even if restricted, discussion … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/06/24 06:45 AM |
| 11 | When it comes to men making women comfortable, there is never really a win for men.Don’t expect ideologues to be rational or consequent in any way. And in this respect, of all ideologues, feminists are the worst. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/24 01:34 PM |
| 1 | Men don't have the luxury of individualism in society.Let’s not blame everything on society. It may be a cultural thing, but after primary school (more than half a century ago) I never had (in the Netherlands) the impression that people in general wanted me to be more macho or masculine. I did have the impression, though, that I was less attractive to women because I wasn’t too tough and muscular and dominant etc. But no doubt that’s very much a biological thing; if society expects that from them, it’s a reinforced evolutionary trait that largely w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/24 08:15 PM |
| 3 | Have you ever met any women who was sympathetic to men’s issues?Why not. And I have met men who uncritically bought feminist bs about toxic masculinity. Just like there are rich socialists and poor rightists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/24 08:08 PM |
| 2 | Trying to understand this a bit myself but from a more holistic perspective why would a man on the top rather either add hurdles to a man on the bottom of hierarchy or worse, be completely apathetic to his hardships and turmoils?Why not? They make it (financially) hard for everybody at the bottom. Their lip service to ‘the women’s cause’ means only getting more women who already are middle class or above to the top. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/24 08:04 PM |
| 9 | Misandry DOES KillHmm. Didn’t watch it yet, but a feminist saying ‘we should talk about men’ almost always ends up with ‘patriarchy hurts men too’ and never with ‘feminism hurts men’. What’s the case here? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/24 04:54 AM |
| 1 | "Men are the problem"It’s like telling fundamentalist Christians that the Bible isn’t God’s word. You can point out JHWH’s unfathomable cruelties, simpler: you can point out all the contradictions within and between the different books, they won’t care because admitting it would be mental suicide. Same with telling libertarians that Keynesian economics sometimes have done some good, or dogmatic communists that the USSR wasn’t much good. They won’t debate with you, cannot debate with you because losing your religion … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/24 11:02 AM |
| 18 | Misandry DOES KillThis comes close enough… https://open.substack.com/pub/fiamengofile/p/when-feminism-is-child-abuse?r=22ngbe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/24 10:07 AM |
| 2 | "Men's forcefully drafting was done by men so we (women) aren't at fault"Feminists fought for more leading female politicians and CEO’s. They NEVER fought for more female soldiers. (An exception may have been revolutionary feminists who applauded female guerrilla warriors, but they hardly ever decided to fight themselves.) And not all feminists were pacifists, so the others thought it apparently alright that men died for them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/24 09:23 AM |
| 1 | Bureaucratic punishmentAlthough too many men are duped by this, I don’t think the percentage is big enough to make it a worthwhile gynocentric strategy to get jobs for women that way. But the people whose job it is to tell misandrist and sex-negative stories, in education, in social work institutions, in all kinds of government bodies, would need to find a real useful job, and not as lavishly paid, if their narratives were generally unmasked as the lies they are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/24 08:26 AM |
| 1 | Are we able to conduct our own research to help fill in the gaps to help prove our points?I always like this one and use the link very often in online discussions. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 04:00 PM |
| 1 | Are we able to conduct our own research to help fill in the gaps to help prove our points?There was an excellent, very objective site full of figures about gender issues. I think it was called ‘Because it’s 2016’ but I can’t find it back. Maybe I got the year wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 03:59 PM |
| 7 | The neurodiversity movement appear to have a bias against autistic men and autistic people who aren't extremely high functioning.The narrative is ‘girls don’t get diagnosed ADHD because they control themselves more’. Utter bs imho. The definition of ADHD is more or less that it’s very hard to control yourself, boy or girl. And I think it’s the opposite: little girls who are talkative, restless, very much present and impossible to neglect, are thought funny and charming (I must admit I often judge them that way too), boys not. When those girls get older, they may become tiresome and people start to suspect there’s somethin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 12:11 PM |
| 12 | AS LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?It’s what in the Three Body Problem is called a mental seal. If the mental seal says water is poisonous, the sealed person won’t drink water even when all the rational facts prove it isn’t. Our society has a mental seal about the idea that men are privileged. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 02:09 PM |
| 5 | AS LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?The male feminist ‘umble Uria Heep (from David Copperfield, not the heavy metal band). No other words for it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 02:00 PM |
| 6 | Domestic violence: WA (Western Australia) to get its first domestic violence shelter for menNot just the centre, the principle of the fact that the problem is so much recognised that they start building, be it small, practical solutions for it. (Maybe a bit awkwardly formulated but hopefully you know what I mean.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/05/24 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Would you date women who emphasise that they are feminist?Maybe. Some are just egalitarian and believe a few feminist slogans for lack of information, but wouldn’t sincerely dream of hating men. A friend of mine was like that, she was more than 30 years younger than me but that was a greater obstacle than her opinions. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/24 06:10 PM |
| 15 | This chart written on by a feminist activist on male domestic violence is about what I have come to expectIs this supposed to be science? Then the world is lost. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/24 05:26 PM |
| 11 | Who are some famous and popular left wing male advocates? Do we have any one of substantial influence or power representing male issues? And if not, why not? Don’t our issues matter and need help/support too?Around 1980 in the Netherlands, the (in our country) famous authors Renate Rubinstein (Hedendaags Feminisme) and Maarten ‘t Hart (De vrouw bestaat niet) and a bit less known Emma Brunt (Je zal je zuster bedoelen) (all more or less centre-left, though not belonging to any political group) wrote good and sometimes hilarious books against contemporary feminism that were widely read. ‘t Hart probably was one of the first authors ever to criticise feminism (partly) from a biological but not reactiona… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/24 05:52 AM |
| 2 | Left wing silence is not personal to men, the oppressed/oppression narrative ruins it all‘The eight richest white men on earth own more than the poorest half of all people!’ ‘Shame, shame, shame! At least three of them should have been black women!’ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/24 11:47 AM |
| 2 | Is all this a good use of our time?Writing on this sub, we won’t change the world. In a way, it IS an echo chamber. But still an echo chamber in which people can get informed, get links to interesting articles and videos etc., so they’re better armed for the fight in the evil world outside. I always recommend people do that more than they do now, (ie mingle in discussions in more ‘neutral’ spaces) but also that they watch over their own health and mood while doing it; I myself sometimes neglected that latter part. Except for exch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/24 05:30 AM |
| 9 | Sexual violence is abhorrent. But has the fear of it been manipulated to keep female readers coming back? Has the fear become disproportionate to the actual threat?I’m all for MenToo when it means: men should also be recognised as victims of real sexual assault. I’m flatly against it when it means: men should adopt the feminist attitude by calling it ‘assault’ when they’re made feel uncomfortable, when someone has made an awkward approach or well-meaningly and gently touched them. In the end, this will only legitimise feminist complaints. Men will still have the obligation to make the first move (maybe only the more so when they complain about the way wome… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 10:18 AM |
| 38 | Sexual violence is abhorrent. But has the fear of it been manipulated to keep female readers coming back? Has the fear become disproportionate to the actual threat?The one in five has been denounced by Christina Hoff Sommers long ago. There was already a selection because only a minority answered the questionnaire. Many more or less unpleasant incidents that the women themselves didn’t count as sexual assault, were nevertheless counted as such in the conclusions; some of the incidents that the answerers did count as such were, according to Mrs. Hoff Sommers, the results of ‘one feminist seminar too many’. Her conclusion was that it came closer to 1 out of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/24 05:53 PM |
| 2 | Can we expand this sub?You don’t get necessarily more people on Facebook. 3000 would already be very much, is my experience. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/24 10:07 AM |
| 6 | An impressive story by an ex-feminist who got fed up with misandryThe strange thing is, people, also women, around me, think a lot like me and that does grow during the years. Maybe also because I move in a bit different circles now, but this also goes for rediscovered old friends that I hadn’t seen in decades. I sometimes think: if all these people became politically active, the non-feminist, non-woke left would be a significant force. But they don’t bother anymore. And sometimes I cooperate with people (men and women) that I suspect to be feminists and there… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/24 05:15 AM |
| 6 | An impressive story by an ex-feminist who got fed up with misandryAround 2015, one could be forgiven for thinking so many people believed in (intersectional) feminism simply because they didn’t have any other information. I myself had only just discovered that information. So I kept sharing it both on my own Facebook page and all kinds of Facebook discussion pages. It didn’t change a thing, it only brought me aggression from people I never expected would do that. The world has become not just awful but also incomprehensible. I live in my neighbourhood and with… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 04:43 PM |
| 10 | An impressive story by an ex-feminist who got fed up with misandryI think it’s more of a warning: if feminists keep on behaving like that, and stimulating all women to behave like that, real misogyny will become more widespread. This also will make the situation worse for both sexes. Like Karen Straughan said: many men, before they discovered my videos, started thinking about suicide and hating all women. Of course these two women don’t APPLAUD hating women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 06:10 AM |
| 41 | An impressive story by an ex-feminist who got fed up with misandryGlad to hear. About your last question: often trans men do. It would turn your whole life story into a weird tragicomedy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/24 05:50 PM |
| 34 | An impressive story by an ex-feminist who got fed up with misandryHorrible, I sincerely feel sorry for you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/24 05:43 PM |
| 17 | An impressive story by an ex-feminist who got fed up with misandryNo, not on her own Substack. They all thank her for the story. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/24 05:14 PM |
| 9 | Do any other “non-masculine” men also struggle with a lack of acceptance?I know a man who was a woman a few years ago. He still has a relationship with the same girl as before the operation, but now she regularly calls him ‘unmanly’ for his behaviour! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/24 09:18 AM |
| 5 | Do any other “non-masculine” men also struggle with a lack of acceptance?I’m not that masculine. (Not especially ‘feminine’ but simply not that masculine.) In general, I never felt shamed or ridiculed or left out because of that. Not by women, even less by men. (This may be because I’m Dutch, it may be different in the Netherlands than elsewhere.) I do have the idea I was less attractive to women because of that. They always saw me as just a good friend, while their partners were more the tough kind of men. I don’t even blame them for that. I do blame feminists for s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/24 09:15 AM |
| 5 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.I had three experiences in my life that could be defined as MeToo experiences, but I never did and still don’t. One was a (I found then) older man who told me quite a dirty story about a young man he’d made love to, apparently trying to turn me on. I thought him revolting and just told him to stop bothering me. It never occurred to me that what he did should be illegal or something. Not everything I don’t like should be forbidden. Then there was this boy who tried to kiss me and more when we wer… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 04:14 PM |
| 3 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.It actually means 2 out of 3 women never had the slightest serious trouble with men IN THEIR LIFE. But turning it around makes it sound oh so serious.🧐 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Equality's next stage - Norwegian report on equality for MenYes, but things like that should be put in a tl;dr. Not everyone has the time to read a whole report and these concrete examples are crucial, make the difference between real men’s issues and ‘patriarchy hurts men too’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 05:14 PM |
| 4 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.Makes you wonder what their definition of misandry IS. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 05:36 AM |
| 6 | Man Bear In The Woods With A PigYou wonder where those women are now who always shout ‘oh no, feminism is not misandrist, that’s strawmanning us’. Where are their fierce protests against this horrible man-hating? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/05/24 02:04 PM |
| 22 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.You wonder where those women are now who always shout ‘oh no, feminism is not misandrist, that’s strawmanning us’. Where are their fierce protests against this horrible man-hating? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/05/24 01:59 PM |
| 1 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:Yes, maybe we’ll have to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 10:57 AM |
| 2 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:This is a typical second wave sex negative fable to demonise men. And it would make quite a few gay men self-haters. People can have consensual ONS and really respect and like eachother. Why not? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 05:34 AM |
| 7 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:This is a very complicated story to just not deny people have needed sex all through history, they just shaped the solution in a different way sometimes. We’ll never shape it that way so I miss your point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 03:42 PM |
| 3 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:I’m not saying YOU say that, I’m saying THAT’s our culture. You’re strawmanning ME and a very bad reader. If you don’t come with anything better and stop repeating yourself, I won’t react anymore. Good luck. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 03:22 PM |
| 4 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:No, that’s not our culture. Many, too many people suggest ‘men won’t die of celibacy, let them stop whining!’ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 09:24 AM |
| 5 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:Alright, but I’ll be forgiven for thinking you do try to pressure men: ‘Sex isn’t that necessary.’ Let them decide for themselves, most of them already do their stinking best to find a balance between cravings and practical everyday life. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 08:42 AM |
| 12 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:This curious advice now pops up at least every week on this sub. I think it is simply not realistic. The main drives of every animal including humans are survival and reproduction. If not, they’d go extinct. As a result, even when reproduction as such isn’t necessary, sex will remain a very strong drive on average. The ones advising not to make it too important are imho the ones never having experienced that so strong (or never really having been without). The ones thinking it is only about our … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 07:55 AM |
| 19 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:It’s important, I think, that many incels who really hate women started in their teens loving women. It’s too easy to say they, at least all of them, just wanted sex. Many probably imagined girls as these sweet beings you could get close to and feel warm and safe with, with sex not just as the great apotheosis but also as proof she had the same feelings about you. Lonely teenagers have dreams about not being lonely anymore. When these adored beings turned out indifferent, or (as those boys perce… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 07:11 AM |
| 16 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:99% percent of men are very much disadvantaged compared to the average woman. Doing dirty and dangerous jobs, dying in wars, committing suicide, being homeless, getting a heavier penalty for the same crime, no help in case of DV, losing children in divorce courts, much more often the victim of violent crimes while msm keep on going about ‘the streets should be safer for women’, disrespect in msm growing every year while women are depicted as beautiful, powerful beings struggling against horrible… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Single shaming in men VS womenYes, there remains a mystery. Maybe because their easier access to sex, women’s craving for marriage is less, or comes too late. Maybe the bisexuality does play a part. I also read once that more women than men are asexual (not necessarily hating it but not needing it at all). But I admit it’s not totally clear. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/24 11:17 AM |
| 2 | Single shaming in men VS womenLike I said, I don’t think (at least in the Netherlands) completely voluntary bachelors experience this. It’s different as soon as people suspect they’re looking for a woman. Then they’re often considered too shy and too pushy at once, no matter what their actual behaviour is. (BTW I think it strange that people get downvoted for just mentioning their experiences. Looks like a lazy and unfair way of debating to me.) | /r/MensRights | 27/04/24 07:43 AM |
| 1 | Single shaming in men VS womenWomen who don’t want a partner (yet) but do like some occasional sex can live the life they want. Their ONS are mostly done by the same small percentage of men. Most single men are really most if not all of the time celibate, and not everyone endures this as well. (And indeed, I think more women are maybe not homosexual, but surely bisexual. But not sure if that difference is big enough to change the picture much.) | /r/MensRights | 27/04/24 07:40 AM |
| 1 | Single shaming in men VS womenEverything falls apart at the moment. The left has refused to listen to benevolent criticism and is crushed everywhere by a lot less benevolent populist right. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/24 07:34 AM |
| 1 | Single shaming in men VS womenIt never occurs to them that their judgment could be part of a stupid vicious circle. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/24 07:32 AM |
| 5 | Single shaming in men VS womenMy impression is that it’s alright for a man to be single as long as it’s obviously alright for him. If he may be looking for a romantic or sexual partner, he is a loser, needy, per definition bad partner material as there must be something wrong with him, otherwise women (who always know best) would have chosen him a long time ago; and almost already harassing the women in the room by just being around. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/24 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Equality's next stage - Norwegian report on equality for MenYou sound like ‘left good, right bad’ in an oversimplified way. I stopped believing that for years. Maybe rightist political leaders are that way. But political leaders never are exactly the most sincere people in the world. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/24 06:02 AM |
| 7 | Equality's next stage - Norwegian report on equality for MenWhat concrete issues do they mention? Too often I’ve seen ‘men are supposed to be tough and not allowed to cry’ as the main one. Are exaggerated affirmative action, divorce courts, DV (also psychological) against men, demonising straight male sexuality, denying different educational needs of men, tougher sentencing for the same crimes, everyday ridiculing of men mentioned? If not, I will remain suspicious. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/24 05:59 AM |
| 1 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?It must either have been a very,very bad professor, or you haven’t paid much attention. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 07:06 AM |
| 13 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?You simply haven’t a clue what evpsych is about. It is not about morals or values, it is just about facts. Nobody is saying that a species or family going extinct is worth less. It’s just that their characteristics will be rare, as they lead to extinction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 07:04 PM |
| 19 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?Good for you. But sexuality is one of the strongest drives in every animal including humans. Other animals would get extinct soon. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 05:29 PM |
| 30 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?I tried to organise a mutual support group for single men in my home town with the help of the local social work. I did virtually everything for it myself , all I needed was their network and their access to (social) media. And I wanted to stay anonymous, as it felt too vulnerable, especially in case it failed. I’m not saying they consciously sabotaged it. But they couldn’t have done worse if they did. Always postponing things, always bureaucratic reasons why my ideas couldn’t be realised. Also,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Is that hate and dismissal that Red Pill movements and Jordan Peterson get justified?What? That debate was great and I think the Marxist Zizek liked it too. Too bad on both sides people were watching not interested in what was said, but in ‘who was winning’, while both speakers had totally lost interest in that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/24 06:38 PM |
| 2 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!It’s probably too subtle. MRAs don’t want to be whiners so they confine themselves to very obvious and explicit phenomena. While occasions like this is what half the exclusion of men is about. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/24 06:29 AM |
| 1 | Progress of The MRA in the real world, including online.What ‘conservatives in the MRM’ do you mean? What ‘kernel of truth’ do you mean? Why do you think they’ve ’never been part of an out group’ (have feminists)? When is protesting society ‘meaningful’ in your eyes? Etc. etc. Better rewrite your whole text to make it sensible for people not a priori following your thoughts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/24 09:01 AM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!And you think suicide, drug addiction, (mental) health etc have nothing to do with loneliness? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 07:52 PM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!The ‘Rape of the Swan’ thing looks good (haven’t seen it all through) but is it feminist or more ‘female spiritualist’? There is a difference. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 07:50 PM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!I noticed that too. In groups where women are the majority, maybe they won’t explicitly exclude men or even be unkind to them, but they’ll form a big subgroup, chat more with each other about more personal topics, hug each other, while the men are benevolently tolerated. In a way it’s even understandable but that doesn’t make it alright. Men in the same position are supposed to make women feel welcome and mostly they do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 07:20 AM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!I never trust sex positive feminists much. They’re often full of double standards, appreciating every kind of touch and approach - except male to female; and not even noticing their own inconsequence in their ‘battle against harassment and assault’. But if you have counterexamples, I’m glad to hear about them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 05:06 AM |
| 7 | Man are scared to lose privilegeMale privilege… lol. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2021-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/MensRights | 11/04/24 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Admitting average male and female natural characteristics is not ‘biological determinism’. Of course you’re not forced to follow all natural impulses, but there’s not a priori something wrong with them, and in cases that there is, to change your behaviour it’s better to admit they’re there than to look for the cause only in society and/or your life story. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/24 08:50 AM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Do you have links? This is important information. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/24 05:38 AM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!In the Netherlands it’s less talked about but I do notice it around me. I always got the impression Mediterranean (and Eastern European) gender dynamics are different but I don’t really know enough about it. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 06:04 PM |
| 11 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!All rant and no concrete facts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 06:00 PM |
| 7 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!That may be a real problem. But I wonder if stoic men are the majority of the lonely ones. Many stoic men are socially successful and comfortable with it, many men who find it easy to open up, even when they’re not shamed for it, find it hard to get a partner. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 05:59 PM |
| 4 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Yes, ‘traditional’ masculinity isn’t all bad, as I emphasised in a post not long ago. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 04:00 PM |
| 3 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?As an MRA (not me but I understand him) said: I didn’t leave the left, the left left me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 03:17 PM |
| 2 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Will look at it, thank you! | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 01:54 PM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Is this typically American? I don’t hear this as much; possibly the divorce laws are more reasonable in the Netherlands, and in Europe in general. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 12:10 PM |
| 2 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Janice Fiamengo wrote a great article on her Substack about the same issue. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 12:08 PM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Excuse me for no longer answering you. You’re neither well informed nor clear thinking and it would take too long to fix that. Do a bit of work yourself. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 08:39 AM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Unwanted??? | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 07:42 AM |
| 4 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Civilisation isn’t civilisation if it doesn’t prevent unwanted selection. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 06:46 AM |
| 6 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Civilisation? | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 06:40 AM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Natural selection isn’t per se a good thing. 2. In less gynocentric societies, there wasn’t an epidemic like that so it’s not really ‘natural’. 3. A society that’s not totally libertarian will care for the more unlucky ones. 4. Those unlucky ones are in this case victim-blamed to prevent empathy. 5. Parents, even mothers, will see what happens to their sons in their teens and later; 6. See my second alinea, insofar as not addressed yet. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 06:16 AM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!No, but a lot less men would be lonely if dating went different. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 05:35 AM |
| -11 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Congratulations, so apparently this post isn’t about you. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/24 05:34 AM |
| 16 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!I got the impression the Atlantic Wall of feminist hegemony is leaking lately. Slowly but steadily. Maybe in the Netherlands more than the USA, don’t know about other countries. Many countervoices are rather conservative and not really friends of MRA’s, but at least the cracks are showing. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/24 06:54 PM |
| 9 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!With ‘react’ I meant give your opinion and tell about your experiences and those of other men, when and wherever you see this discussed, irl, in social and other media. That’s where a lot of opinions are created now, and where men who are shamed and ridiculed need support. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/24 06:50 PM |
| 1 | Women complaining over harassment over the smallest thingsI’m not against adults touching or complimenting children as such. But it’s doubtlessly wrong when men are shamed for it no matter how careful they are, while women don’t even have to be careful. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/24 05:31 PM |
| 10 | Is that hate and dismissal that Red Pill movements and Jordan Peterson get justified?I think the red pill analysis of the world isn’t even that bad, they generalise too much about women but on average the tendencies they mention are not unreal; and they opt too much for solutions that don’t seem to respect women. But what they say is not all nonsense. Jordan Peterson has had a function for some boys, but he makes all problems in the world too individual. Yes, even when the world is unfair to you you have to make the best of it instead of waiting for a change. But no, it’s no goo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/24 05:05 PM |
| 6 | Women complaining over harassment over the smallest thingsIt’s the modern version of 19th century bourgeois philistine puritanical Good Manners, but in the name of fighting oppression, for if you want an idea, whether progressive or reactionary, to have success, nowadays it has to be in the name of fighting oppression. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 06:25 PM |
| 6 | Women complaining over harassment over the smallest thingsIt was already bad but MeToo has given them absolute carte Blanche in this respect. Double standards are rampant: in a school where I did volunteer work, a male teacher was warned because he had touched a girl, though ‘they knew he meant well’. Female teachers were touching girls and boys all the time. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 06:21 PM |
| 0 | Male Feminists and IncelsOnly psychopaths and extreme autists don’t adapt their behaviour to tune in with others. That’s what social learning is all about. ‘Being yourself,’ unadulterated by your surroundings, is a romantic 70s myth but stubbornly living on in borrowed time. The art is finding a balance, not denying this. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 12:34 PM |
| 2 | Male Feminists and IncelsYou’re an idiot. You can’t think and don’t even try. You just insult others and think yourself soooo much greater than them when you’ve done that. But you’re nothing but a *** *** *** and worse. So there! | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 07:45 AM |
| 2 | Male Feminists and IncelsI didn’t want to start with: you’re too stubborn, conceited and one-track-minded to picture the situation. But you clearly are, you insult others whenever you get the chance, you don’t even react to the details of what others are saying and until you do, debating with you is worse than useless. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 07:02 AM |
| 1 | Male Feminists and IncelsThat’s strawmanning. One plays the joker, another the ‘independent guy’, another the leader, another the empathic man. Often because they are roles that fit them anyway, but exaggerated. It’s easy to call the last one the cuck and ridicule him, but also stripped of all nuance. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Male Feminists and IncelsWhen you want to have sex with a woman, you don’t try to get her to like you? Pull the other one. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 06:01 AM |
| 2 | Male Feminists and IncelsIt is mostly not at all like that, but you should picture the situation. People who want to get close to other people, try to please them within sincere and reasonable boundaries. (The idea of ‘just be yourself’ doesn’t mean anything. Everybody develops himself socially, including how to act so people will like you.) Being a good ally, being solidary, fighting oppression sound like great ways to do that. They’re been told they’re not throwing other men under the bus, on the contrary: feminism li… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/24 05:58 AM |
| 5 | Male Feminists and IncelsThe ends of the horse shoe don’t touch between male feminists and incels. They touch between male feminists and conceited machos, both despising awkward men who lead sad, lonely lives because they don’t know how to impress women and have been lied about what women like. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/24 02:38 PM |
| 6 | Male Feminists and IncelsOf course there’s a lot more, but ‘MRA’s’ disregarding dating and sex to me are cowards throwing other men under the bus, hoping that will make it easier to get their own points recognised. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/24 02:02 PM |
| 5 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?‘Not entitled’ is a shitty way to dismiss a basic need. The main reason men are not entitled to relationships is that you can’t force anybody to give it to them. And nobody asks for that. It’s almost a truism. But otherwise, it should be taken care of just like food, housing, health care, safety etc. At least that should be acknowledged, even without having an easy solution. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/24 09:25 AM |
| 3 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?It’s the myth that lonely men are either unfeeling old-fashioned machos, or ‘nice guys’ who are just nice to get a girlfriend. The convenience of that myth is that it’s unfalsifiable in a Popperian sense. Even if it turns out that most lonely men aren’t machos at all, they can never prove they’re not ‘nice guys’ in this mythical sense. (I.e. being nice and longing for a partner is not the same as being nice just to get a partner.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/24 09:19 AM |
| 1 | Young Black men are dying by suicide at alarming ratesI’m all for everybody living their own lives; but ‘against gender roles’? What if most people are quite satisfied with their gender roles? What if they come naturally to them? Must we fight them just the same? Must we have a totally shapeless society? Personal freedom is not the same as that imho. Personally I feel more cheated by feminist saying I’d be happier without my masculine role than oppressed by people who suppose I will behave more or less masculine. But please, let everybody choose fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Men’s therapyMy doctor and a psychologist in her health centre asked me: ‘So what is the problem?’ ‘Shouldn’t you just accept your life as it is?’ My doctor even said when I told her about my loneliness: ‘You ARE not a man for a woman/wife!’ Once I did an assertiveness training to better communicate with my ex concerning our son, and the leader said to me afterwards: ‘You want the wrong things!’ Nuff said? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 06:21 PM |
| 3 | Progress of The MRA in the real world, including online.I haven’t a clue what this is about. Your ‘facts’ are way too vague and so are your conclusions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 06:01 PM |
| 15 | This SNL skit was surprisingly pro-men and kind of subversiveDid I miss something? It combines stereotypes of immigrant men with depicting ‘good’ white men who are as exaggeratedly sensitive and open as the men feminists ‘love’ except for romance or sex. It is all rather nonsensical and that is actually the best defence of this sketch that I can think of. How on earth is this supporting men? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 05:58 PM |
| 2 | Young Black men are dying by suicide at alarming ratesThe idea that everybody can choose their gender at the drop of a hat. And that transgenderism is part of the fight against ‘patriarchy’. And that everybody with another opinion is transphobic. It is not, let that be clear, acknowledging the fact that there are bona fide transgenders who have the right to an operation if necessary. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 04:13 PM |
| 7 | Lack of touch, my comment and the reactions to itAlright. But the rule of asking for permission probably had more to do with #metoo than with multiculturalism. With Moroccan girls I was more careful anyway (and a feminist woman called that ‘racist’!) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/24 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Lack of touch, my comment and the reactions to itReminds me of Norbert Elias ‘The process of civilisation’, how since about 1200 (western) society is more and more dependent on people subduing their impulses, which makes it more orderly, but also a bit like a straightjacket. Do you mean something like that? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/24 05:50 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men protest more?Any protest by men, except feminist men, is either ignored, actively silenced or ridiculed. I’ve been trying to make points on especially Facebook for about a decade. People haven’t a clue what I’m talking about and even when I explain it very clearly imho, with links to articles or videos by (often female) MRA’s, they react as chickens looking at a thunderstorm, as we say in Dutch. So men may be right not to protest too often, just for their mental health. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/24 03:06 PM |
| 3 | Society is in a weird place where male progression is expected to be half way, and never on the finish line when it comes to decontructing masculinity and gender roles.Don’t expect logic on this point. I did ten years ago, and again and again found myself back in the craziest discussion on the internet, with my adversaries just saying: I was wrong because I was a man, defending patriarchy and dodging the real issues. I didn’t read your whole story, because after ten sentences I knew you were perfectly right, but still thinking you must and can defend your opinion with as much arguments as you can think of. That is futile. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/24 07:20 AM |
| 7 | Young Black men are dying by suicide at alarming ratesYes, she is a staunch feminist, but trans people are considered among the most oppressed, even more than POC; so a woman saying something that doesn’t fit in with the most extreme version of trans ideology can be shamed for that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/24 06:18 PM |
| 10 | Young Black men are dying by suicide at alarming ratesI predict there’ll be an ingenious theory about white men oppressing black men more than they oppress black women for competitive reasons. It will be completely fact free, but the intersectional crowd will swallow it like caviar. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/24 10:31 AM |
| 24 | Young Black men are dying by suicide at alarming ratesIs it really unspoken? I think intersectionalism has a clear, often explicit hierarchy in the Oppression Olympics. But I should look that up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/24 10:08 AM |
| 1 | Did anybody read ‘Different’ by Frans de Waal, on gender and primates?But I loved other books by Frans de Waal. And I loved Turnbulls book about the pygmies, don’t remember anything about casual rape. And his book about the Iks wasn’t idyllic at all. Your generalisation about academia is exaggerated. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/24 08:23 PM |
| 2 | Which words and phrases are some examples of hate speech or misandry against men?‘Men!’ while rolling eyes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 07:30 AM |
| 5 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.This John Berger quote is such nonsense. I always doubted if he was as great as people thought he was, but now I’m sure: he was just a fashionable publicist. Because 1. Women may be self-conscious, but except for heavily neurotic ones it’s not such a torture by far as depicted here, and 2. Men are self-conscious too, maybe even more, especially when they’re young and around women they like, which is a crucial phase in their life. Why even discuss stereotypic gynocentric texts like this? It’s lik… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 06:42 AM |
| 3 | You guys need to wake up and realize feminists are not “against men”Many, maybe most MRA’s started as feminists and then woke up. You shout ‘wake up’ but actually wants them to fall asleep again. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/24 06:32 AM |
| 4 | Why do white supremacists and tradcucks hate mgtow?Another one who thinks he understands evolution but hasn’t a clue. Behaviour that helps spreading genes is more common because the genes behind that behaviour are being spread more. That’s a truism but there isn’t any ‘relevance’ in it, neither is it of any ‘interest’ to you to spread your genes. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/24 07:02 AM |
| 10 | "Men are more violent" vs. "Certain crimes are worse when men do them"But it will be harder to prove or even to realise. When you get hit, you know you get hit. When she behaves incomprehensible, you may think: well, we have different backgrounds, it may take some time to understand her or for her to understand me - and only after a (long) while you realise: no, this is abuse. You then have the choice between running away and becoming very strict. And when there are children involved, you hardly have a choice. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 03:58 PM |
| 1 | Dating culture is entirely one-sided and doesn’t benefit menThis sounds very American. As a Dutchman you’re also supposed to take much of the initiative, but in most circles you don’t have to play the gentleman or pay for her food. ‘Going Dutch’, meaning each paying your own meal, is even a pejorative that shouldn’t be one. Going to a restaurant isn’t even necessary, a date can take many forms. But yes, a man is considered to do all of the approaching, and will be considered a creep or even a harasser if she doesn’t like his style. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/24 03:53 PM |
| 28 | "Men are more violent" vs. "Certain crimes are worse when men do them"Women can be murderous without stretching a finger at you. Be late all the time, forget decisions you’ve made together, refuse to answer when you comment on her behaviour, and when you ask again, answer: ‘What am I supposed to say?’ Refuse to cooperate, especially when it comes to raising children, sometimes outright lying except that she apparently believes her own lies - all things you don’t need muscular strength for. I’d rather be beaten up everyday than have a relationship like that again. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 02:38 PM |
| 3 | As LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?Beneath contempt. Anymore to say? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/24 07:22 PM |
| 8 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Netherlands about the same, I’m afraid. Maybe in general the empathy is a bit better, but when it comes to gender issues it is just as bad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 01:51 PM |
| 2 | Masculinity, the Dokwerker and my grandsonsGood thinking. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 11:01 AM |
| 20 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?It was quite a lot more normal before feminism. Songs about lonely boys like ‘When will I be loved’ filled the hitparade, and novels with the same theme weren’t that rare. So yes, it is partly a biological thing, but enlarged very much by forces in society with a misandrist agenda. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 06:59 AM |
| 1 | Masculinity, the Dokwerker and my grandsonsThank you so much!🩷🙏 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 08:52 PM |
| 14 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?It may help but it’s not a ‘solution’. It won’t bring you a partner just like that, nor will it take away the need and the longing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/03/24 03:25 PM |
| 3 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.Same with the ‘right’ to be represented equally in big career-jobs, but not in dirty and dangerous work. While remaining the majority in some other, quite pleasant jobs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 03:17 PM |
| 1 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.Yes, as I said, it is still quite dogmatic woke. But that makes the conclusion only more surprising, and convincing for people who aren’t convinced yet. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 03:15 PM |
| 3 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.There are those ‘good’ feminists again! The answer, as always: how come we never hear them criticising the bad ones, we only hear ABOUT them when feminism is criticised? And disagreeing with each other doesn’t mean one is more men-friendly than the other. About alternatives: what disasters would happen if feminism disappeared without any alternative? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 03:05 PM |
| 6 | My Mixed Review of the SOTU, and Why Biden needs to address men directly if he wants to win; used the words woman/women 12 times, men/man only once.Quite a big minority of about 40%, even within Democrat voters, think feminism has gone too far at the cost of men. But liberal politicians seem unable to realise facts like that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 02:57 PM |
| 9 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.Intersectionality is like: ‘while white men stereotype black men because they’re the oppressors, white women only stereotype black men because they don’t see they’re both oppressed by white men and should form an alliance just stereotyping white men’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 07:20 AM |
| 2 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.In this case I think it is not just a random subjective term but a lie. It suggests being against feminism means going back to some mythical Dark Ages of patriarchy and male privilege. Those ages, if they ever existed, didn’t need feminism to end them, and feminism will never even admit they were ended anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 06:37 AM |
| 9 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.Scrolled through it, looks absolutely great! Still quite dogmatic, but that makes her conclusions only the more interesting, and shattering! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/24 07:24 AM |
| 40 | More and more people criticise feminism’s demands of, and discrimination against men.I’ll read this later. It is not so strange, when you realise that prejudices against black men are essentially the prejudices against all men on steroids. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/24 07:21 AM |
| 1 | Intersectionality is terrible in practice, but the theory its based on isnt badThe theory as a wider concept is a truism; when narrowing it down it becomes nonsense. Either way it’s not very fruitful. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/24 06:22 PM |
| 2 | A Look at HeterofatalismImho they hate the dark triad men they fancy sexually. At the same time they’re not interested in men who would be good to them and will accuse them of nice guy syndrome. Otherwise the generalisation about evil and violent and unfeeling men is not just unjustifiable (which it of course is) but also unexplainable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/24 05:52 PM |
| 2 | Did anybody read ‘Of boys and men’ by Richard Reeves?That was exactly what I was afraid of, and my impression without reading a word of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/24 01:49 PM |
| 6 | Did anybody read ‘Of boys and men’ by Richard Reeves?It may very well be that he started as moderate as possible, but experienced how angry feminists became even about that. So he had the choice between pulling back and going on, maybe farther than he first intentioned. That is the advantage of feminist Pavlov reactions to everything not toeing their line, especially in an aera when they’re (though they might not realise it) not invulnerable anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/24 07:59 AM |
| 1 | Books on evolution of gender rolesBecame different? Humans didn’t start as a genderless species. When you read books by Frans de Waal and Jane Goodall, you realise all (other) great apes (and, for that matter, most mammals and even vertebrates) have different sex roles. Bonobos are a bit more complicated but they’re a rather rare species and probably with reason. So the mystery would be if men and women started to behave the same and we’d have to look for the cause then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/24 04:06 PM |
| 6 | I think men rights movement is useless!The MRM has loads of ideas. Just take a tiny bit of effort to really explore them instead of your negative comments. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/24 06:18 PM |
| 4 | I think men rights movement is useless!‘Incel’ can mean three things. Neutral: any involuntary celibate. Negative: men hanging around on dubious internet fora hating women. Meaningless: any man disagreeing with feminism, especially but not necessarily on dating issues. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/24 03:37 PM |
| 3 | I think men rights movement is useless!There has been an astonishingly long period in which feminism could stop and silence any call for men’s rights and men’s issues. But feminism, like all woke movements, is in trouble. I estimate that their hegemony will be crushed within five years or sooner. Then it will be crucial that MRA’s and others have thought and talked amply about gender issues, so that sensible theories, and not rancorous or demagogic nonsense, will take over. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/24 03:31 PM |
| 10 | I think men rights movement is useless!Cathy Young, Katie Roiphe, Diana Davison, Marilyn Simon, Christina Hoff Sommers, Camille Paglia, etc etc etc…. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/24 02:11 PM |
| 1 | Did anyone else develop a complex about how "scary" they were to women?I don’t know many details, just that he had a penis from Iran because they make the best there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/24 10:13 AM |
| 22 | Did anyone else develop a complex about how "scary" they were to women?Norah Vincent, who just disguised as a man for a year to experience the ‘privilege’ was very happy afterwards she had the privilege of being a woman. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/24 08:31 PM |
| 68 | Did anyone else develop a complex about how "scary" they were to women?Exactly. Stereotypes of men are just a weaker version of stereotypes of black men anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/24 03:53 PM |
| 32 | Did anyone else develop a complex about how "scary" they were to women?I know a man who was a biological woman a few years ago. After his operation, he was shocked how, when he walked the streets at night, women automatically got out of his way. I don’t even know if the same happens to me; maybe because, if they do, I’m so used to it, having been a man all of my life. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/24 03:51 PM |
| 2 | Government guidelines on teaching children sexual consent advise starting early and using plain language (with arbitrary focus on protecting "women and children")I see your point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/24 01:12 PM |
| 1 | Government guidelines on teaching children sexual consent advise starting early and using plain language (with arbitrary focus on protecting "women and children")Actually explicit asking was for me often the best I could do, I was simply too shy to act spontaneously. (Asking again with every new step, though, would be horrible and ridiculous.) Just the same, it always felt one inch short of the real thing. I agree that the current situation: often being supposed to read women’s minds and being shamed if you don’t, is the worst of both worlds. It may be a generation thing. To me, making love is not just ‘getting some action’ you get ‘permission to’ as if … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/24 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Government guidelines on teaching children sexual consent advise starting early and using plain language (with arbitrary focus on protecting "women and children")Not my experience at all. Every girl I ever asked was actually surprised I did it that way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/24 02:08 PM |
| 1 | I agree with the message of the post- I don’t agree with how it’s worded, or the comments.This is as simple as ‘men are not entitled to women’s bodies’ only just a bit more politely formulated. There have been umpteen discussions why it is more than just a personal issue. You ignore them all and keep repeating your opinion like a record with a scratch on it. I’m not gonna argue with that anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/24 02:06 PM |
| 1 | Government guidelines on teaching children sexual consent advise starting early and using plain language (with arbitrary focus on protecting "women and children")Now don’t start about the exact wording. I don’t remember that. The point is that the girl clearly wanted a spontaneous act, not having to give me an explicit answer. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/24 07:10 AM |
| 4 | I agree with the message of the post- I don’t agree with how it’s worded, or the comments.That’s your personal preference. To me, dating problems were one of the main reasons for becoming an MRA. Still I’m solidary with issues that don’t interest me personally that much. Everybody his own background, but please, please, stop suggesting time and again that hills you’re not willing to die on should be dismissed by the whole MRM. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/24 07:05 AM |
| 7 | I agree with the message of the post- I don’t agree with how it’s worded, or the comments.A big part of the discrimination of men and boys is the way their longing for romance is demonised. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/24 09:18 PM |
| 12 | Government guidelines on teaching children sexual consent advise starting early and using plain language (with arbitrary focus on protecting "women and children")I heard several women say: I must not even think about men asking for consent with every next step. And this is in the Netherlands, one of the most feminist countries on earth. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/24 07:47 PM |
| 21 | Government guidelines on teaching children sexual consent advise starting early and using plain language (with arbitrary focus on protecting "women and children")Is explicit, verbal consent always possible and attractive? I once asked a girl: shall we kiss? (not even for moral reasons but because I was too shy and scared to act spontaneously) and her response was: sorry, I can’t do it this way, if you had just started I might have gone along. This doesn’t, of course, mean a licence to take a girl by surprise. The pace in which you get closer, and looking at her reactions are crucial. But being too careful can also make a situation terribly un-erotic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/24 07:26 PM |
| 7 | I agree with the message of the post- I don’t agree with how it’s worded, or the comments.People largely owe each other empathy, humane treatment, decent answers to questions (if necessary a decent ‘no’) and giving (lonely) people with bad social skills at least a chance. We’re not a solitary species and we would get extinct if we behaved as if we were. And the fact that some ice cold behaviour (of course) isn’t forbidden doesn’t make it less unsympathetic. Of course, it’s all dependent on the situation you’re in and the time and energy you have. But the idea that in general women do… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/24 03:05 PM |
| 1 | What I learnt till now - Part 1Genetic research has made clear that people have twice as many foremothers as forefathers. So if the other half of the men didn’t get killed, they didn’t procreate either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/24 06:35 PM |
| 4 | Studs and Sluts: The (Perceived) Double Standards of Sex😂 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/24 09:53 AM |
| 4 | Studs and Sluts: The (Perceived) Double Standards of SexThis is all very, very true and clearly seen. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/24 08:51 AM |
| 8 | Studs and Sluts: The (Perceived) Double Standards of SexIn general, if women complain about ‘men’ or ‘boys’, it’s often the men they have romantic or sexual relationships with (if only because they know them best, or they’re the kind that, for all the pains, they can’t do without). So if you want to be successful, be sure they complain about you! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/24 08:48 AM |
| 8 | Studs and Sluts: The (Perceived) Double Standards of SexNot totally untrue, but a bit exaggerated. I think the downvoting instead of arguing is a bit chicken. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/24 08:46 AM |
| 1 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresNow I realise that there was an article on QM about men thinking about the Roman Empire much more often than women. I thought that such a textbook example of an irrelevant feminist subject that I mistrusted the site from that moment. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/24 07:52 AM |
| 14 | This subreddit is not going to fix anythingEverybody said: ooh Blauwpetje, thank you, now I’ve seen the light! Not really. People either ignored or ridiculed what I wrote or repeated their opinion. If things did change it is by totally different causes. | /r/MensRights | 17/01/24 07:47 AM |
| 27 | This subreddit is not going to fix anythingAs a Dutchman, I discussed on both Dutch and English language social media, whenever these woke themes came up. I linked convincing articles and statistics to crush the conventional woke wisdom. This for about ten years now. Guess what happened. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/24 06:46 PM |
| 40 | Studs and Sluts: The (Perceived) Double Standards of SexI’m not surprised. There are so many myths about double standards against women that, if ever, may have been true more than half a century ago but are still used stereotypically within feminism. Another point is: a man who had a lot of partners probably is in the top rank of attractiveness, or a very cunning seducer. A woman who had a lot of partners just doesn’t have to be repulsive, as men on average are a lot less selective. But that conclusion has nothing to do with a moral judgment. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/24 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresPeople may also be less willing to admit in questionnaires, even anonymous ones, that they masturbate. Because it’s nobody’s business, or because masturbating implies you have a lousy sex life. You’ll be surprised how unwilling people sometimes are to admit things even anonymously. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/24 08:48 AM |
| 4 | What I learnt till now - Part 1But when I am talking about evolution, I am talking about a hunter-gatherer situation. Our society has changed, our genes hardly have. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/24 06:43 AM |
| 7 | What I learnt till now - Part 1Evolution IS a factor here. The future of a population depends essentially on the amount of women surviving, though men are not totally negligible. 100 fertile women can within, say, a year, give birth to 100 new members (not counting twins) of the clan; whether there are 30 men or 300. Men are useful to protect and provide, but a few more or less don’t count. So male disposability of course isn’t fair or rational; but it may be deeper ingrained in our genes than we care to admit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 05:54 PM |
| 2 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresAlright, maybe my appreciation of the unlucky name of the page colours my judgment of what’s on it a bit. I don’t like the term ‘queer’ which suggests all gays, bi’s and transes have something in common just by not being cishet. And while they apparently mean they represent the ‘silent majority’ of ‘queers’, I thought they meant that the majority of the whole population was queer. I can be forgiven for that, for those kind of opinions are not uncommon with some of the loonier rainbow ideologues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 05:08 PM |
| 24 | masculinity on the leftThere’s nothing wrong with a lot of masculine features which are not just traditional but imho (on average) the result of evolution. The problem begins when all men are forced to be that way. But it’s a feminist strawman to suggest that force is omnipresent. In ‘Self made man’ Norah Vincent tells how quite masculine men were actually very nice to her, disguised as a not so masculine man. It were actually more the women who were rude to her. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 04:19 PM |
| 15 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresI’m not fantasising. The concrete original question that gave the start signal was ‘Post online the occasions in your life that you’ve been sexually harassed or assaulted’. Men in power were not especially mentioned. And the articles about ‘all men’ and ‘time’s up’ started after a week or so, without any women protesting ‘oh no, that’s not what we meant’. I don’t have the evidence ready, but I wonder why people think the opposite is true. And women can very well be misandrist, or only love men w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 11:41 AM |
| 2 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresMy experiences weren’t that serious, but still enough to cower down and be so careful with approaching women as to become totally passive. There were four(!) within a month, and in 2014, so I have reason to suppose the tendency was already going on and only got worse with MeToo. They varied from a woman calling me ‘cold and pushy’ because I said I wanted more than just meeting her at parties, to a woman who all of a sudden got angry because I had my hand on her knee (which was no problem) for mi… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/24 05:50 AM |
| 7 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresMy experiences weren’t that serious, but still enough to cower down and be so careful with approaching women as to become totally passive. There were four(!) within a month, and in 2014, so I have reason to suppose the tendency was already going on and only got worse with MeToo. They varied from a woman calling me ‘cold and pushy’ because I said I wanted more than just meeting her at parties, to a woman who all of a sudden got angry because I had my hand on her knee (which was no problem) for mi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 05:47 AM |
| 36 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresMeToo surely from the beginning was about demonising men. It was a call to all women to tell about when they were ‘assaulted’ or ‘harassed’, with especially the second as a totally subjective category. And not by ‘men in power’, but by ‘all men’. Within a week articles started to appear in mainstream media about a system in which emphatically ‘all men’ profited from ‘all women’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresYou may be right. Still, I wonder what exactly is their interest in it. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/24 09:17 PM |
| 9 | Structural deplorable results of MeToo, finally in figuresSometimes I think it can’t be worse than what I already know about it. Sometimes I imagine things that might happen but I think: no, those are too idiot, they can’t be possible. And then I read stories like yours that are even worse than that. Especially about the exes letting themselves being convinced of that nonsense. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/24 09:15 PM |
| 5 | Venn Diagram of Men's Rights and Anti-Feminism.Oh no, the overlap of men’s rights and antifeminism is much bigger, and with good reasons! The overlap of feminism and misandry is not so big for nothing. The ‘good’, men-friendly feminists are either too silent or negligible in their powerlessness. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/23 04:56 PM |
| 2 | "Teach girls to prioritize feeling safe over being nice."Being nice doesn’t make anybody unsafe. That’s feminist nonsense. Sometimes you have to clear up other people’s wrong expectations, but that’s not because of your wrong priorities, that’s life. | /r/MensRights | 30/11/23 04:52 PM |
| 1 | The "But men do it too" argument, and why it bothers me.I actually don’t believe men have done this for years. Some very weird men in some exceptional cases maybe, and certainly not generally accepted. But if you throw all forms of flirtation on one big heap it’s easy arguing that way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/23 01:45 PM |
| 13 | Incels: a new study.Yes, I used to like William Costello. Still think he means well, but he seems to say: oh no incels aren’t evil, they’re just mentally deranged. Who needs enemies with such friends? Also, to explore if they have wrong thoughts about women’s preferences, you shouldn’t do research on incels but on women. How thoroughly did he do that? | /r/MensRights | 27/11/23 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Dear Mens Rights activists, why do some of you vote left?Capitalist boundless, often unhealthy production and conspicuous consumption are due to competition between men. That competition, while partly biological, is also largely due to women preferring successful men (which is also largely biological). Most men will always get the short end of the stick when capitalism goes on this way and vice versa. To me that’s only logical. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/23 07:04 PM |
| 6 | How to respond to "Men only pretend to care about men so they can derail conversations about women's issues"?It’s not ‘hijacking’, it’s bringing reality into statements that make problems gendered that actually are not. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/23 03:48 PM |
| 7 | How to respond to "Men only pretend to care about men so they can derail conversations about women's issues"?Not. It’s not in any way a sensible, falsifiable statement. ‘Water boils at 30 degrees Celsius’ is not really more nonsensical, but it aims at facts you can give a clear counterexample of. This is just a rant and at best a (terribly unfair) value judgment. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/23 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Let us now praise awkward menEvolutionary, women want men with genes fit for success. Height, muscles, health, looks are signs for that, but the most measurable in the modern world is status and money. So wanting a rich man is not necessarily treasure-hunting. Neither is it of course determined, but it is not always easy to let reason siege over evolution. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/23 08:50 PM |
| 3 | Let us now praise awkward menAmbitious women already climb the hierarchy. But then they mostly complain it’s so hard to find a man with the same status or higher. Part of this is evolutionary psychology, but too many women never learn to rise above that and to choose rationally. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/23 04:57 PM |
| 4 | Let us now praise awkward menMore or less the story of my life. Because of many causes (like different schools and classmates living at a distance, combined with premature Weltschmerz), I didn’t socialise much between 12 and 16 years old. After that I did my best to make up for that and it didn’t even work out that bad, but a distance remained. Maybe I never overcame it, because I was always at a level of experience I was supposed to have overcome at my age. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/23 02:06 PM |
| 2 | Let us now praise awkward menThat one I forgot in my praises, thank you! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/23 02:00 PM |
| 5 | Let us now praise awkward menYes, and not by merit but by official or unofficial affirmative action. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/23 11:28 AM |
| 20 | Let us now praise awkward menYou’re probably right. I try to circumvent this whole discussion and ridicule it a bit by exaggerating - but not lying - to the other extreme and stating that awkward men are in fact great men. And I’m sincere in believing that quite a lot of them are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/23 08:00 PM |
| 1 | How do you see the future in 10-20 years?I never expect an admission of wrong. Not from any group or ideology. We can only hope for a tactical retreat, and make it possible when we might see it happen, even if we’re not sure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/23 03:59 PM |
| 2 | How do you see the future in 10-20 years?So you think LWMA’s will be split up in some kind of Judean People’s Front and People’s Front of Judea? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 08:52 PM |
| 2 | How do you see the future in 10-20 years?‘Men get off their asses’… What ingenious strategy for the MRM that hasn’t been tried yet did you find out to make that happen? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 08:50 PM |
| 2 | How do you see the future in 10-20 years?Why? And why (around) then? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 06:31 PM |
| 5 | How do you see the future in 10-20 years?Is this just unavoidable? Or do you think the left fails people? If so, how? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 03:43 PM |
| 2 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?The boundaries between two categories may be subjective. But that doesn’t make everything ‘social constructions’. That way you can also call stars, planets, moons and asteroids ‘social constructions’, or rational numbers. Of course you can do that, but it doesn’t make reality or its exploration more interesting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts On "Male Domination"Men and women have, on average, different ambitions and different fields of power. Women actually have a lot of power, being the main gatekeepers of sex and partnership, and often raising the children and teaching them their values. The power of the average man is meagre compared to that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 08:20 AM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?Didn’t know her. She sounds like a not very scientific feminist to me, but maybe I’m wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 06:42 AM |
| 3 | I am anti-feminism, anti-redpill, and anti-blackpill.Thank you, I appreciate your reaction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 08:31 PM |
| 7 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?Species? Age? Being alive? Having eyesight? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 06:07 PM |
| 1 | I am anti-feminism, anti-redpill, and anti-blackpill.Cheapest criticism I’ve ever read. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 06:04 PM |
| 1 | I am anti-feminism, anti-redpill, and anti-blackpill.Essentially differences between men and women are determined by sexuality. Wanting dating and relationships to take a backseat doesn’t make sense then; suggesting they’re not institutional issues even less. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 06:02 PM |
| 4 | I am anti-feminism, anti-redpill, and anti-blackpill.First, social structures in which people easily met new people have fallen apart. At the same time, spontaneous approaching of women is more and more demonised as harassment and objectification. On dating sites and apps, which didn’t exist in the past, looks are crucial and it’s well-known that the average man has to text about ten women to get one, often lukewarm, response. Then, women have been told the best isn’t good enough for them and many have become ridiculously selective. When they had … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 05:51 PM |
| 2 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?Don’t read John Gray, he’s superficial, read Griet Vandermassen, she wrote a well-based book about sexual differences. Or Dick Swaab, who’s an expert in brain differences. Or Frans de Waal, who makes clear sexes differ in all primates he has done research about, including humans. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 05:18 PM |
| 4 | I am anti-feminism, anti-redpill, and anti-blackpill.I notice a tendency in the men’s movement to try and remove dating issues from the discussion. My judgment about that is: 1. Lack of solidarity: I might not be personally interested in intactivism, DV against men or affirmative action, but I’m solidary with the men involved. Then for what reason aren’t some men solidary with involuntary singles? That is 2. Cowardliness: it feels easier to be a men’s advocate if you won’t get associated with men ‘who can’t get laid’ as it is often put very rudely… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 05:07 PM |
| 7 | What's your relationship with feminism?Tend? I totally reject feminism. It’s an evil movement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 04:54 PM |
| -1 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?No biological or historical basis? The last three you mention certainly have, why do you think otherwise? Do you buy the ‘gender is a social construct’ dogmas? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 04:49 PM |
| 4 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?They’re partly cultural, partly (on average) innate. Nobody should be forced to follow any role at all. On the other hand: don’t assume you can avoid cultural influences, and don’t be naive. Especially when you’re looking for a partner: few women fancy men with no masculine traits at all, and the ones that don’t aren’t necessarily bad or narrow-minded. So if you choose to be a ‘feminine’ man it might mean celibacy, and it’s no use blaming society for it. But maybe you wouldn’t mind. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingWithin the MRM she’s big. But the MRM is so small that mainstream media probably don’t know any of the names, and it’s surprisingly easy to get personal contact with quite a few of the most important ones on earth. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 07:20 AM |
| 12 | Why do anti-feminist arguments usually fall flat? (and what are some that don't?)Be specific instead of saying in general ‘they fall flat’. It’s an impolite way of debating, not just laying the burden of proof on your opponent, but even let him find out what issues you talk about. And the left wing telling you to dislike feminism? Pull the other one. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 06:53 AM |
| 1 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingJanice Fiamengo is great, one of the most important antifeminists on earth. Read carefully before you react, she’s not the one ‘grousing’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Gender roles & gender inequality existed, but was it really due to patriarchy? Was patriarchy theory a thing in the way feminists have described it in history? (Timeline of British/US History)I didn’t say that, it was in the introduction of the book. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/23 01:37 PM |
| 1 | Gender roles & gender inequality existed, but was it really due to patriarchy? Was patriarchy theory a thing in the way feminists have described it in history? (Timeline of British/US History)The original German is ‘Das bizarre Sexualleben der Tiere’ by Michael Miersch, published by Eichborn, Frankfurt am Main. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/23 01:47 PM |
| 7 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingNo doubt there are people not very interested in a partner or sex. But I think the vast majority is, and thousands and thousands of men don’t have the life they would like concerning these issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/23 06:05 AM |
| 1 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingYou’re too friendly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 03:00 PM |
| 5 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingDo you call all conservatives fascists? Sounds rather tankie to me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 02:49 PM |
| 9 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingThis is what dogmatic and authoritarian thinking is about, no matter what your opinions are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 08:13 AM |
| 8 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingYou totally miss my point. I don’t disagree with you on this. But if you want to convince others, stop considering them as idiots for a start. Politics is about dialogue, saying your thing and listening, and realising where people come from. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 07:53 AM |
| 4 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingI think you risk staying in your echo chamber and feeling sure you’re right for the rest of your life. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 07:27 AM |
| 19 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingMaybe if sex bots become more advanced and affordable. Not that all men will like sex bots (I wouldn’t) but it may just tilt the market. And it will force women to bring in more than just physical attraction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 07:25 AM |
| 6 | Reasons for anger, but also for optimism: the mainstream notices men opting out of datingThere’s a difference between being left wing and seeing everyone else as dangerous neurotics. I hope people on this sub realise that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/23 07:20 AM |
| 1 | Do you guys think men as a group are the ones expected be do more better, compare to other privilege groups?Privilege my a**. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/23 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Honest question: why are people in this group not just conservative?I agree with you that too many left-wing people see conservatives as uncaring, authoritarian, hopelessly old-fashioned, either stupid or evil, or both. Conservatives can have good arguments for their opinion, preferring an order that, with its flaws, has proved its worth over unsure experiments - whether you agree with that or not. On the other hand, isn’t your view on the left also too monolithic? Like: people who in any conflict just look who’s oppressed according to their matrix, and then dec… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/23 05:10 PM |
| 1 | Modern feminism ruined man's ability to love unconditionally (kinda)True, but its evil sides were different in the 19th than in the 21st century. And the last half century it got much more power (not incidentally together with neoliberalism, I keep saying) to determine society’s standards. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/23 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Modern feminism ruined man's ability to love unconditionally (kinda)You’re welcome | /r/MensRights | 12/10/23 05:30 PM |
| 0 | Modern feminism ruined man's ability to love unconditionally (kinda)Modern feminism, together with neoliberalism, destroyed any spontaneity and naivety in men-women relationships. Like Marx said in one of his few clear moments: capitalism changes every bond between two people into something businesslike and calculating. Feminism is its ally by suggesting men and women have naturally different interests. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/23 04:56 PM |
| 3 | Violence against men is often gender-based and we have to say itI’d put it even stronger: ‘gender-based violence’ against women is often violence of dark triad men against their partner. The problem isn’t sexism or patriarchy, but the fact those men are so attractive for certain women. That is not victim-blaming, it’s simply a natural fact, just as men can act stupid for a woman with great boobs. But if people really want to do something about it, they’d better acknowledge what’s going on instead of weaponise it as an argument for feminism and misandry. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/23 03:10 PM |
| 5 | Is there some sort of MRA equivalent to "lipstick feminism" that of which a man can still embrace his masculine aura and drive while still being socially-aware of men's causes?Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t mean to criticise you, I criticised the change of culture in this sub that makes opinions like yours unpopular. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/23 08:50 PM |
| 5 | Is there some sort of MRA equivalent to "lipstick feminism" that of which a man can still embrace his masculine aura and drive while still being socially-aware of men's causes?Your opinion, while rather mainstream in the first years of this sub, is getting outright unpopular. It even makes me wonder if following this sub is still worthwhile. As Iona Italia (a liberal feminist!) said: to me, the blank slate theory (I.e. that character traits etc. are a social construct) is the flat earth theory of the left. That totally false theory makes it hard to clearly analyse any men’s problems. What’s left then is pointing out injustice, but without coming any closer to the trut… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/23 02:38 PM |
| 1 | Is there some sort of MRA equivalent to "lipstick feminism" that of which a man can still embrace his masculine aura and drive while still being socially-aware of men's causes?Again and again the influence of nature, evolution and biology is denied or at least belittled on this sub. Whenever there is an open debate about it, the conclusion is ALWAYS that both nature and culture do play a role. Only a few weeks later again people will complain about ‘masculine roles imposed by society’. I’d say: YES, everybody should be as free to behave as masculine or feminine as they want. NO, masculinity and femininity are not just a cultural thing. We can start that discussion aga… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/23 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Why can’t we ever just bring up men’s mental health WITHOUT DISCUSSING FEMINISM.Go to Men’s Lib and become holy. Good luck. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/23 04:43 AM |
| 1 | The incredible misandry of APA guideline 3.Funny, I think I did what you want by extending my post, but you’re still getting upvotes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/23 12:50 PM |
| 11 | Do We Need a Minister for Men?; Are 'British Blokes' Demonised Unfairly? -- BBC Politics Live, 25.09.23The difference is that gayness was accepted in the name of ‘progress’, while men’s issues are considered ‘reactionary’. That makes changes for the better qualitate qua harder. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/23 11:12 AM |
| 3 | The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights.I never said I disagreed with that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/23 11:30 AM |
| 29 | The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights.‘What should be an easy win for men’s causes’… Apparently not, alas. It hasn’t been for decades and Tate is not to blame it still isn’t. I think it’s the other way round: men who really are harmed by gynocentrism and fed up with it prefer someone who shouts loud to people who endlessly try to be reasonable towards a culture that’s never been reasonable to them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/23 11:01 AM |
| 1 | Do Men Face Gender Discrimination?No comment needed. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/23 12:36 PM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movement‘Honest voices are being silenced.’ Gimme a break. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/23 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movementNo, the left is essentially advocating the poor, whether black or white, straight or gay etc. Woke is blaming everything on cishet white men like some others blamed everything on Jews. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/23 06:32 AM |
| 3 | This sub sometimes just feels like a Female bashing clubTalking to exceptions doesn’t change feminism, especially when those exceptions themselves don’t seem too eager to do that. But as I said again and again: just try, you’re welcome, I’ve tried more than enough. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/23 06:30 AM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movementReally, is this all relevant? To me it sounds like pseudoscientific gaslighting. Like saying: what you say isn’t scientifically proven, so what I say is right, proven or not. Whatever the percentages, it is crystal clear there is an enormous amount of lonely single men. The ‘problem’ of the dating issue popping up all the time within men’s rights circles, despite complaints about it all the time, isn’t there for nothing. Be real about that and don’t try to forcibly find all kinds of reasons some… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/23 06:28 AM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movementI doubt that even more. I met a lot of single men who were unhappy with their situation but only willing to talk about it in a safe setting, and never the opposite. Do you have reasons for your assumption? And even if, say, 50% of single men were quite happy, wouldn’t that still leave a tremendous amount of unhappy ones? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/23 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movementThat would mean there’s a bigger urge in women to address men’s loneliness than in those men themselves? Even if women in general are more interested in relationships, that doesn’t sound very probable to me. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/23 07:01 PM |
| 4 | This sub sometimes just feels like a Female bashing clubLike I said: try to communicate that with feminists. Most of us tried, over and over again. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/23 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movementFunny, female MRA’s like Karen Straughan or Janice Fiamengo address it quite often. Maybe men just ignore it for fear of being called incels? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/23 05:36 PM |
| 3 | Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movementMany more or less liberal people are scared to declare themselves openly anti-woke. Anti-woke people are scared to declare themselves men’s advocates. And men’s advocates are scared to admit that dating problems are a very, very big part of men’s problems. They wouldn’t pop up all the time if they weren’t. Everybody is scared to spoil their image by mentioning problems that aren’t popular. Please let’s not be cowards like that here. Men have, like everybody, the right to the ‘pursuit of happines… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/23 05:27 PM |
| – | Why do women blame men for being depressed?https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201906/the-men-s-mental-health-double-bind | /r/MenSupportMen | 15/09/23 05:12 PM |
| 3 | This sub sometimes just feels like a Female bashing clubMany MRAs have once been feminists. Most have tried to debate with feminists in a civil way, only to be shamed and ridiculed. Just try that yourself and come back again here afterwards. And don’t ask feminists to just not be misandrist, because they’ll answer: we don’t hate men as long as they agree with us. Which is probably even true, but also very authoritarian. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/23 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Guys compete too muchMany women don’t like men who are not competitive. Or, rather: they don’t find them attractive. It might not even be a conscious thing, it will be rationalised in all kinds of ways, but it happens often enough for men to pay to be competitive. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/23 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: The merit of gender quotas in the work-field.Well, it may be that some want their cake while others want to eat it. But even then, we men can’t conform to both. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/23 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Men, does religion help or hurt men’s rights? Or is atheism/agnosticism more freeing? (I’m hoping for a diverse range of opinions)Religion may make a call for morality and empathy instead of individualism. As in our individualist society men get the short end of the stick imho, that may be a positive factor. Also, religion, at least Christianity, also has empathy for ‘sinners’, so a good Christian won’t shame cishet white men not toeing the line. But it’s just an assumption, I can’t prove it. And I myself, though raised Nederlands Hervormd, am an atheist. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/23 11:26 AM |
| 3 | Discussion: The merit of gender quotas in the work-field.As long as too many women are looking for a man with a more than average income, and higher than their own anyway, quota are not a good idea. As far as I know (correct me if I’m wrong) there are already complaints about women unable to find a husband with an adequate income. These dynamics may be partly biological, partly cultural. But you can’t expect men to forsake higher income jobs and then be rejected romantically because they don’t earn enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/23 11:20 AM |
| 10 | A news on the front page of an Australian news paperAnd more blacks are killed in black gang wars than by police. So? More whataboutism reasoning? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/23 03:34 PM |
| 4 | A news on the front page of an Australian news paperIf one of my grandsons were on this picture I’d bomb this paper. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/23 03:27 PM |
| 20 | A news on the front page of an Australian news paperDon’t forget that 1. Antisemitism didn’t start with gas chambers, it just started with making Jews suspect 2. Fortunately men are simply too big a part of the population to eradicate. But I wouldn’t bet on our safety if(as a thought experiment, I know it would be improbable) we were just 5% of the population 3. Warren Farrell had a point when he said: why does everyone talk about Black Lives Matter but not Boys Lives Matter? An incredibly high percentage of people shot by American police are ado… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/23 11:42 AM |
| 19 | A news on the front page of an Australian news paperNot yet, maybe. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/23 06:39 AM |
| 5 | If men really are the priviledged sex, please give me some examples..Can you call this an ‘index’? https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/MensRights | 02/09/23 02:23 PM |
| 1 | If men really are the priviledged sex, please give me some examples..This is more the opposite, but it’s also more realistic. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/MensRights | 02/09/23 02:21 PM |
| 1 | The Left and FeminismAnd it’s essentially puritanic. Officially it advocates for more freedom, but in practice men are considered ‘harassing’ or ‘objectifying’ just for openly expressing their physical attraction to women. Why would they think so if they didn’t think sex is fundamentally dirty? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/23 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Maybe There's A Positive Future For Men Not So Far AwayBe the change you want there to be. Post interesting material. Nagging about what others post is more negative than the attitude you criticise. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/23 07:58 AM |
| 1 | Who's falling between the cracks?This is not a ‘minority viewpoint’, this is stubbornly ignoring about everything that’s been on this sub for five years and putting the burden of proof that you’re wrong on others. Bad and, to say the least, impolite arguing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/23 07:45 AM |
| 6 | Why is the issue of men not approaching women, always have to be negative?Of course, part of it is negative. Men who would have loved to approach women if they were sure their behaviour would be met in a kind or at least normal way, and a warm friendship or relationship as a result of that was possible or even probable; but who don’t bother under the current circumstances. That’s not just a problem, it’s a disaster. But there may also be men (although not the majority) who aren’t very interested in approaching women anyway. They shouldn’t be shamed for it. And women s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/23 08:17 AM |
| 1 | Who's falling between the cracks?True. He puts disadvantages due to social or biological reasons on one big heap, suggesting the second kind doesn’t even exist. The only thing we get out of it is proof we don’t live in a patriarchy, but not any solutions. Unfortunately, so many LWMA’s look at the world the same way. That doesn’t bring us any further. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/23 08:09 AM |
| 12 | Maybe There's A Positive Future For Men Not So Far AwayMaybe well-meant, maybe even interesting, but much too long and too unspecified, with far too many links. Nobody is going to read and see all of it. That’s probably why there are no comments so far. Good and bad videos on YouTube were there already ten years ago. There’s more needed to prove there is any progress. The whole coming and going of sensible vloggers, without the mainstream debate changing, looks more like a treadmill to me. Better focus on one subject, like DV against men, sexuality … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/23 07:42 AM |
| 1 | On the link between egalitarian ideology, feminist ideology and misandrist activism.He didn’t even go mad in the sense of becoming a MH patient. But he went dogmatic and sectarian, probably out of despair of lack of sensible people to talk with. I believe he was and is sincere, there’s not a grain of opportunism in him. His intelligent Areo-colleague Helen Pluckrose, for years the best non-woke leftist essayist, stopped involvement in politics altogether out of sheer exhaustion. Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad on YouTube) moved from antifeminist left to absurdly right. For me, I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 12:49 PM |
| 2 | Came across this after the Shoe vid on loneliness searching for feminist channels acknowledging the issue, and was deeply disappointed on the content and comments. Your thoughts?But this is not about admitting that the attitude of both sexes can have flaws. Of course that’s true. It’s about stating women’s attitude makes sense, and then using some misandrist myths to defend that statement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 08:41 AM |
| 2 | Came across this after the Shoe vid on loneliness searching for feminist channels acknowledging the issue, and was deeply disappointed on the content and comments. Your thoughts?Poverty, bad health, addiction often occur not only because of external factors. But only rightists will use that as an argument to do nothing about it. But when it comes to male loneliness ‘leftists’ will be the first to start victim-blaming. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 08:35 AM |
| 2 | On the link between egalitarian ideology, feminist ideology and misandrist activism.There’ll always be people with more and with less power and responsibility. That as such is not injustice. Me f ex, I don’t like much responsibility and am satisfied with enough power to defend my rights as a human and a citizen. And it’s simply the most practical way to organise a big and complicated society. As leftists, we must always be aware of abuse of power and fight it; that’s more or less what our ideology is about. But ‘injustice’ is always a subjective concept. There will always be pe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 07:51 AM |
| 1 | On the link between egalitarian ideology, feminist ideology and misandrist activism.I already thought this came from James Lindsay. He’s a tragic case. Originally contributing to the non-woke left Areo, and often making sense, he ended up later making totally fantastic constructions. Not that he’s always wrong, but he’s become one of the dogmatic metaphysical thinkers he fought against in the first place. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 07:23 AM |
| – | Weekly check-inI’m longing for the time my twin grandsons (20 months old), whom I spend a lot of time with, can speak and listen. Admitted, this language-less (well, a handful of words so far) period has something grandiose, mythical. But I don’t want to carry them under my arm anymore, struggling, sometimes crying, or put them in buggies or close doors so they can’t get out, or sometimes in, without being able to explain why. And when something bothers them, I want them to be able to tell me what it is. Hunge… | /r/MenSupportMen | 23/08/23 11:17 AM |
| 14 | Came across this after the Shoe vid on loneliness searching for feminist channels acknowledging the issue, and was deeply disappointed on the content and comments. Your thoughts?The horror stories are what feminists tell other women. Of course they sometimes happen, but feminism makes it a structural part of society, which is nothing short of misandry. I don’t blame women, neither do I think anybody on this sub does (it’s not even allowed👻), I blame feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 06:08 PM |
| 4 | Came across this after the Shoe vid on loneliness searching for feminist channels acknowledging the issue, and was deeply disappointed on the content and comments. Your thoughts?Looking for good points in a feminist narrative is like looking for edible plants in a bush of thistles. Not impossible that they’re there, but if there’s no special reason to suppose that, it’s a waste of time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 06:05 PM |
| 11 | Came across this after the Shoe vid on loneliness searching for feminist channels acknowledging the issue, and was deeply disappointed on the content and comments. Your thoughts?I have the idea it’s a new wave of contributors, not getting what they want in Men’s Lib or Ask Feminists, but not realising the fundamental flaws in subs like that. All kinds of discussions we had years ago start anew. Well, maybe you can’t avoid that in a constantly growing sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 04:37 PM |
| 19 | What's the Focus of Menslib?Men’s Rights has less rules, which unfortunately gives more room to generalising and misogynistic remarks. Also, the left-wing spirit is absent there. But I’d say we’re a lot closer to them than to Men’s Lib, which just thinks men will be alright if they’re good, obedient allies to feminists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 02:26 PM |
| 19 | What's the Focus of Menslib?Again, try mensupportmen. Men’s Lib is not that interesting, and most men on this sub don’t give a damn about their policy anyway. Not an issue for ample discussion here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 06:05 AM |
| 21 | Came across this after the Shoe vid on loneliness searching for feminist channels acknowledging the issue, and was deeply disappointed on the content and comments. Your thoughts?Why exactly are you disappointed by feminist channels? What exactly do you expect from them? I don’t, anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 05:57 AM |
| 33 | What's the Focus of Menslib?I hate Men’s Lib, but I think their comment about your question is clear enough. Only I’d recommend mensupportmen, as I trust subs recommended by Men’s Lib as far as I can throw them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 05:54 AM |
| 3 | Folk feminism or vulgar feminismSo what do you see in the New York Times, the Guardian, on the BBC, any liberal medium? Give us a link to a ‘reasonable’ feminist video or article in mainstream media. I’d be delighted to discover it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/23 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Male victims of warBut when the same feminists read about African or Viking female warriors, they often applaud their existence as empowering, and call it a shame they’re not better known. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/23 04:25 PM |
| 2 | What causes false rape accusations?This is a great article about exaggerated definitions of rape. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/20/feminists-want-us-to-define-these-ugly-sexual-encounters-as-rape-dont-let-them/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/23 01:54 PM |
| 2 | What causes false rape accusations?Verbal consent simply doesn’t always work. I once asked a woman: shall we kiss?, and she answered: sorry, I can’t do it that way, if you’d just started I’d probably gone along. Meaning more than just that; ie in the circles in which she moved explicit consent was a strange thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/23 01:50 PM |
| 7 | Male victims of warMaggie Thatchers ‘innate feminine qualities’… lol. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/23 01:18 PM |
| 37 | Male victims of war‘Well, most blacks are killed by other blacks.’ Only extreme rightists use that argument. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/23 12:07 PM |
| 0 | in 2023 why are men still shamed for not owning property?Don’t use ‘shaming’ for ‘consider less interesting’, as little as you should use ‘hate’ or ‘demonise’ for ‘disagree’, as some dogmatic leftists do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/23 06:04 AM |
| -1 | in 2023 why are men still shamed for not owning property?Don’t use ‘shaming’ for ‘consider less interesting’, as little as you should use ‘hate’ or ‘demonise’ for ‘disagree’, as some dogmatic leftists do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/23 06:03 AM |
| 0 | in 2023 why are men still shamed for not owning property?There are quite a lot actually. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/23 05:56 AM |
| 8 | in 2023 why are men still shamed for not owning property?But that’s not the same as ‘shaming’ others. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:03 PM |
| 9 | in 2023 why are men still shamed for not owning property?It’s simply not my experience. It may be a fact that, in general, richer men ceteris paribus have a better chance in the dating market. But hardly any of my friends own much, still less when I was younger, and I never saw any shaming for that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 07:59 PM |
| 19 | Social Discourse on Men and RapeIn general you may have a point. But in liberal and leftist circles there’s a lot more empathy for women in all cases. And people are still wondering, as we discussed very recently in this sub, why so many men don’t like the left anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 05:54 PM |
| 3 | Am I the only one that gets triggered by "toxic masculinity"?As far as I know, but I’m not sure, ‘toxic masculinity’ was originally meant as a name for the deformed masculinity of boys in fatherless families. Having no steady male example in their lives, they tended to express their masculine traits in an over-the-top way. So actually it was a pro-male term, emphasising the role of fathers in boys’ lives. But lazy as preoccupied ideologues are, they used it as a term for all masculine behaviour they didn’t like. No matter whether it really was deplorable … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 05:48 PM |
| 3 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.Bullshit. The extreme right is not the same as conservatives in general. Another idiotic opinion that makes the left look unreasonable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?Alright, I just gave my two cents. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 02:06 PM |
| 3 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?Be careful with that. Often when men bring up a social situation they feel duped by, the answer is making their problems personal and psychological instead. This can implicitly deny the problem lies in society, and give the man a better-knowing therapist he didn’t ask for in the bargain. You probably meant well, but personally I wouldn’t have liked your answer. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 01:59 PM |
| 6 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.I wouldn’t call IdPol justice, it’s more like revenge. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 12:13 PM |
| 8 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.This is not elaborating. Not everyone on this sub believes this. Feminism is not the same as egalitarianism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 10:16 AM |
| -1 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.At least they’re not white and can be subjected to white racism. But you seem to be dodging, my friend. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 09:41 AM |
| -1 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.You said you were treated just like ‘white men’, suggesting you’re not one of them. Now you say you’re not black. Alright, but it would help if you’d be more specific. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 09:37 AM |
| 2 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.Depends on what you call left and right. It probably supports pseudo-leftist identity politics AND neoliberal economics. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:59 AM |
| 10 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.God, that Guardian article is crazy! It first comes up with quite a few good points and then blames the ‘manosphere’ for addressing them. Liberals just have a phobia about really exploring what MRA’s are saying. Cassie Jaye was one of the few who hadn’t, and we all know what happened then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:46 AM |
| 6 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.I’m afraid so. Any self-respecting encyclopaedia shouldn’t have an a priori political opinion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:35 AM |
| 10 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.According to Wikipedia, a lot of people and media that I like are conservative. So I wonder what definitions are used. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:17 AM |
| 3 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?I think the OP was asking for recognition, not for ample instructions about how to live his life. But I may be mistaken. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:11 AM |
| 4 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?Yes, it is put together and edited by Janice Fiamengo and I contributed to it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:07 AM |
| 11 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?We talked about this before, again and again. How come the ‘majority’ of ‘moderate’ feminists doesn’t DESTROY the ‘fraction’ of radicals dominating education, media and culture? Are they afraid to speak up? Why, if they’re such a big majority? Do they really care? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 08:05 AM |
| 3 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?Actually I see more women transition to men than in my youth. But that may be because they think men are privileged. I know at least one ex-woman that was shocked when he experienced how men are treated. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 07:20 AM |
| 9 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?I grew up during 2nd wave feminism, in radical leftist circles. Girls were always complaining that boys couldn’t be friends without wanting more. So I was always proving there were also different boys. Even when I did want more, 90 percent of the time I kept quiet about it for fear of disappointing her. I hardly had anything like a love life and only one longer relationship, from being 35 to 45 years of age. Feminism is castrating men who take their slogans seriously. (In fact most leftist men a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 07:15 AM |
| 3 | The real reason men are lonely. I disagree with this sub about the solution for lonely men.What’s more important to make tea, the water or the leaves? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/08/23 06:10 PM |
| 1 | What is sexual harassment, exactly?Yeah, but dilemmas remain. What if you sincerely compliment her stunning buttocks, or just as sincerely say: ‘there’s nothing I’d rather do now than have sex with you’? Neither are insulting or coercive. But you almost certain make her uncomfortable, even if she agrees that such honesty should be normal (which most women don’t). I think these remarks shouldn’t be called harassment; at the same time I think you shouldn’t be surprised if it’s called that way. But there need to be more talk about t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/08/23 12:08 PM |
| – | Weekly check-inGood to share this with others ie us. That’s always one of the most important first steps. | /r/MenSupportMen | 01/08/23 12:01 PM |
| 1 | What's the thing that most people assume about men?In truth, men talk with other men mainly about rock music and movies, and sometimes about books when they’ve been to college. When they talk about women or sex, it’s more confessing things or asking for advice than ‘locker room talk’. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/23 07:53 PM |
| 1 | What's the thing that most people assume about men?The same prejudices as against blacks and working class people (sex-obsessed, feelingless, violent, superficial) but then legitimated as ‘anti-oppressive’ opinions. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/23 07:50 PM |
| – | Weekly check-inYesterday I felt awful. I also had quite a hard time with my twin grandsons (19 months) and I still don’t know if one fact caused the other or vice versa. Today it was a lot better, in spite of it being a rainy day with little possibilities for playing outside and me having a small house. They didn’t even sleep at the same time, but that had the advantage of devoting my whole attention first to one, then to the other. It was cosy and fulfilling, I’m tired but satisfied. | /r/MenSupportMen | 31/07/23 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Richard Bilkszto, Kike Ojo-Thompson, pluralism, equality, solipsism, and a culture clash that led to a man's suicide😂 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 04:03 PM |
| 2 | Richard Bilkszto, Kike Ojo-Thompson, pluralism, equality, solipsism, and a culture clash that led to a man's suicideThank you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 03:54 PM |
| 3 | Richard Bilkszto, Kike Ojo-Thompson, pluralism, equality, solipsism, and a culture clash that led to a man's suicideBut this is NOT normal. The Frankfurter Schule lost its hegemony within the (radical) left after a few years when their ideas didn’t work out. Then we had orthodox Marxism for about seven years, before that met the same fate. Then there was the ‘personal is political’ bunch with squatters, 2nd wave feminism, pacifists etc. About five years they were quite important. After that, there were hardly any important radical (and dogmatic) groups left of social-democracy for about a quarter of a century… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Richard Bilkszto, Kike Ojo-Thompson, pluralism, equality, solipsism, and a culture clash that led to a man's suicideYou’re right. But I tried talking to these woke people in a civilised way for about a decade and they will mistake you for a Trumpian anyway, however you put your points. But did you hear of Heterodox Academy? They try to have open conversations on colleges. It’s more a meta-project than one with its own opinions, but hopefully it makes a difference. https://heterodoxacademy.org/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 02:15 PM |
| 3 | For 133 years of the last 200 years the head of state of Britain (and many other countries) has been female. How can this possibly be viewed as a patriarchy?True, but that’s a different point than the OP’s. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 01:06 PM |
| 2 | The real reason men are lonely. I disagree with this sub about the solution for lonely men.This is exactly what’s going on. This vicious circle is what the plight of many men is about, and what’s completely ignored in the OP. (Except that I think something like ‘female nature’ plays as much a role as ‘societal expectations’. Never ignore biology too much, or blame society for too much.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 01:01 PM |
| 5 | For 133 years of the last 200 years the head of state of Britain (and many other countries) has been female. How can this possibly be viewed as a patriarchy?Excuse me, I don’t mean to insult anybody, but this is the kind of post feminists will quote to prove how stupid men’s subs are. It would make a lot more sense to talk about historical queens who had power that queens in a democracy simply haven’t. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 12:50 PM |
| 5 | Richard Bilkszto, Kike Ojo-Thompson, pluralism, equality, solipsism, and a culture clash that led to a man's suicideA Quillette article with largely the same information. https://quillette.com/2023/07/21/rip-richard-bilkszto/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 12:47 PM |
| 1 | The “male gaze”I posted an article about this not long ago. https://quillette.com/2019/09/10/in-praise-of-renoirs-male-gaze/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 12:21 PM |
| 2 | What is sexual harassment, exactly?Harassment is often defined as: any approach by a man that makes a woman uncomfortable. Highly subjective and sexist in the bargain. I propose another definition that may sound radical. Only behaviour that is insulting and/or over-coercive on purpose can be called harassment. Anything else that makes a woman uncomfortable is either just awkward behaviour or the woman’s oversensitive feelings. Radical? When you ask for examples of harassment, the examples are always about purposely insulting or o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/23 12:16 PM |
| 5 | The real reason men are lonely. I disagree with this sub about the solution for lonely men.Isn’t this a chicken-and-egg-thing? Not all neurotic or depressive people are born that way. But having no love-relationship for years or even decades isn’t exactly good for anybody’s mental health. So these figures aren’t convincing to me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/23 07:41 PM |
| 1 | Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting on the Barbie movie ? Or is it actually that bad ?😂 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/23 05:02 PM |
| 0 | The In group and Out group biases of the male and female genders.You’re sure you’re talking about the same person? Anyway, people don’t have to agree on everything to cooperate on some issues, and are not dumb when they disagree with you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/23 06:05 AM |
| 2 | The In group and Out group biases of the male and female genders.Evolutionary psychology is again and again ignored and bashed in this group. That does a lot of harm. What do people suppose, men and women are the same kind of persons in different bodies? All animals, all mammals, all primates know sexual differences in behaviour except humans? Suggesting evpsych is a way to justify the current situation is strawmanning it. On the contrary, we can only change our thoughts and behaviour when we know where they come from, including the biological part. And serio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 06:33 PM |
| 3 | The In group and Out group biases of the male and female genders.This world never ceases to surprise me. 😂 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 06:05 PM |
| 3 | The In group and Out group biases of the male and female genders.Some of the best and most radical men’s advocates are women. Christina Hoff Sommers, Camille Paglia, Karen Straughan, Prim Reaper, Janice Fiamengo, Cathy Young and quite a few more. They have the possibility of saying things that men can’t say without being called incels or whatever. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 05:34 PM |
| 24 | Were Western societies really patriarchal before the 2000's?As a child, my favourite movie was Mary Poppins, in which a female, almost supernatural heroine teaches an initially rather ridiculous father that caring for his children is more important than career and rules. And that’s just one example. Another is Pippi Longstockings, who was loved by virtually all children. Later, Ronja the Robber’s daughter had a similar status. And I can go on for hours. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 05:22 PM |
| 7 | We are Left Wing Male Advocates not Left Wing Feminism Hate.Barbie the movie is from a big film concern promoting misandry, making measures by feminists in powerful circles look more plausible. Anyway, we had ample discussion about this on the sub, but WHO is starting it again now? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 11:11 AM |
| 5 | We are Left Wing Male Advocates not Left Wing Feminism Hate.Most discriminating of men is not done by ‘random feminists’ but by feminists in power. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 10:35 AM |
| 2 | We are Left Wing Male Advocates not Left Wing Feminism Hate.You posted this only this week, and it was a good post. But honestly, what do you think, that trope is NOT feminist? You can avoid calling it so, but that doesn’t change the facts a bit. And most people here don’t bother about the avoidance, and with reason. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/156fjxl/i_am_tired_of_all_men_know_each_other_trope/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 09:31 AM |
| 0 | There is a discrepancy between what social media feminists think is "creepy" and what is actually creepy in reality.It’s not always due to stereotypes. Some judgments are biologically hard-wired. It IS sensible to sometimes doubt your intuitive and emotional judgments; whether their origin is biological or cultural is not even that important. But unfortunately today’s society often neglects this obvious fact, especially about women’s judgments. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 09:18 AM |
| 4 | We are Left Wing Male Advocates not Left Wing Feminism Hate.Posts criticising and denouncing feminism are as old as this sub. So are gatekeeping complaints that the sub shouldn’t be too antifeminist. Well, there are thousands of attendants of this sub, all free to post whatever they want. Nobody ever made clear how to post relevant material and stay free from antifeminism. I never even see anybody try, I think. But I see these complaints every few months. And frankly, I think just calling Barbie ‘a movie about plastic doll’ to suggest nothing serious is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 06:59 AM |
| 3 | There is a discrepancy between what social media feminists think is "creepy" and what is actually creepy in reality.The idea that touching a woman without her explicit consent is creepy has been stealing its way into society during half a century and now apparently even male advocates are buying it. I remember asking a girl, when I was younger: shall we kiss? And she answered: o no, I can’t do it that way, if you’d just started I’d probably have gone along. Mind you, this was probably not an individual mindset. That girl lived in a world where this was normal for all boys and girls, i.e. probably a big part o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 06:46 AM |
| 3 | Feminism's problem isn't that they hate men or that they don't care about men's issues. It's that they only superficially care.Is wanting men to toe the line and be good, obedient allies to feminism, and telling them their problems will be solved when they have helped to destroy ‘patriarchy’ man-hating? Maybe not. I have repeated again and again that explicit misandry is not the main flaw of feminism. But their attitude is harming men very much and that is worse than just ‘not caring enough’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 06:33 AM |
| 2 | Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting on the Barbie movie ? Or is it actually that bad ?God, the colours already make me sick. It’s like eating marshmallows with a cheap aftertaste for hours. And it’s probably the ideological counterpart of it. Aesthetically it’s worse than the worst socialist realism or Nazi-art. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/23 06:15 AM |
| 18 | Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting on the Barbie movie ? Or is it actually that bad ?Nothing more dangerous than hate disguised as ‘non-serious fun’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 07:40 PM |
| 27 | Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting on the Barbie movie ? Or is it actually that bad ?What do people think when they say ‘people are overreacting’? That we reached this feminist, misandrist society by a few speeches by Gloria Steinem and Andrea Dworkin? NO! We came here by tens, hundreds, thousands of songs, books, shows, movies that normalised this way of thinking and that met with too little ‘overreacting’. This movies promises to be one of the bigger factors and we’d better start ‘overreacting’ as soon as possible. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 07:38 PM |
| 18 | Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting on the Barbie movie ? Or is it actually that bad ?I doubt this. Modern feminism is over the top anyway, so things that might look over the top for us might look totally normal and appropriate for feminists. And ‘patriarchy is an idea’ might also mean ‘it is the ideology of our world and we can throw it off’. It simply doesn’t sound very probable that a film with a seemingly feminist message makes a U-turn right before the end just by something some character says. And anyway, if any significant percentage of viewers would see it that way, the f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 07:32 PM |
| 48 | Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting on the Barbie movie ? Or is it actually that bad ?I didn’t see it, but if what I read about it is true: yes, it’s actually that bad, and if it’s gonna be a blockbuster that will be a disaster (not the first one) for boys. It’s not important if I’m not the target; the problem is not if I have to watch it, the problem is the attitude women and girls learn from it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Why we need men’s groupsIt’s hard. I tried to start a support group for single men with the local social work. (It simply felt too vulnerable to do it personally.) But after more than a year, despite me doing virtually all the work, nothing really had happened. The man occupied with men’s issues had 6 hours a week for that, that he mostly used for other things. Imagine, after the millions spent on women’s issues the last half century in our ‘patriarchy’! And all ideas of me, like online publicity, fell flat on formal r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/07/23 08:38 AM |
| 3 | Feminism / Equality "Isn't a Zero Sum Game"I think most antifeminist men started as feminist men, thinking ‘patriarchy’ hurt them too and feminism would ‘liberate’ them from their ‘masculine role’. Only when they realised (like Warren Farrell) that feminism just wants allies toeing the line and not men talking about what they REALLY feel they became antifeminist. Men who’ve always been traditional or macho, on the contrary, are hardly interested in, or bothered by feminism. So this feminist narrative about the ‘misunderstanding’ by antif… | /r/MensRights | 17/07/23 06:54 PM |
| 4 | MRA’s and m**ow‘Incel’ can mean three different things. 1. The neutral, technical meaning: Men who long for (hetero)sexual contacts but can’t get them. Feminists can’t imagine that those are good men, for that would give them a bad conscience, they’d rather complain about the scarcity of good men. 2. Men on unwholesome pages on the internet thinking nothing of themselves and hating women. Feminists love to confuse this group and the first one. 3. Men disagreeing with feminists, especially around dating and sex… | /r/MensRights | 17/07/23 05:22 PM |
| 5 | Working for women's rights and starting a conversationOxfam(-Novib) has a Dutch Facebook campaign all about women being oppressed - both outside and inside the western world! Care, an organisation supposed to address worldwide poverty and hunger, also has a campaign with ‘unfitting’ remarks addressed at women, mostly in the Netherlands. When a post gets too many critical comments, they just post it again without those comments. Feminism and gynocentrism are infesting places where they don’t belong at all. These organisations try to be fashionable, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/23 04:52 PM |
| 2 | If you want to help me get the subreddit back in order and open, please express your support on this post so that the admins are aware of the situation we are in.Please re-open. I frankly don’t understand a thing about what happened but didn’t like it a bit. Hopefully we can get back to normal. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/23 07:07 PM |
| 1 | Rejected Women Sexually coerce MORE than Rejected Men doWhen a woman rejects a man, it often goes together with ‘You made me feel uneasy’ and ‘It’s better we don’t see each other again’. Exactly because women don’t realise men often feel sadness but can also shrug their shoulders. They fear drama that hardly ever comes. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/23 12:00 PM |
| 3 | Now they're calling Trans Men winning beauty pageants brazen misogyny"😂 | /r/MensRights | 13/07/23 05:10 PM |
| 1 | Feminism's problem isn't that they hate men or not care about their problems. Is that they only *superficially* care.‘Women solved their own problems.’ 😂If men hadn’t been willing to fulfill women’s demands, 90% would still fulltime be in the kitchen. The whole emancipation project since about 1970 was heavily supported by men. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/23 06:59 PM |
| 2 | How do I stop becoming boring?Tastes differ. But even considering that, her reasons to call you boring sound particularly stupid and childish. | /r/MenSupportMen | 08/07/23 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Why are most men (and their issues) invisible to women?O yes, I know that. ‘How brave of you to show your emotions!’ while actually feeling uncomfortable and avoiding you afterwards. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/23 08:28 AM |
| 1 | Why are most men (and their issues) invisible to women?In the SF Three Body Problem trilogy there’s the Mental Seal mentioned. If you have a mental seal that water is poisonous, it will take you months to get cured from it and dare to drink water again. Our society has the mental seal that men are privileged and women are oppressed. If you come up with facts to falsify it in a good Popperian way, people (not just women) will first decide that your wrong and then think of arguments, no matter how meagre and far-fetched, why. And many people will thin… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/23 08:23 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists always say “you’re proving my point”?It’s the Kafkatrap, named after Der Prozess (The trial) by Franz Kafka. The fact that Josef K. pleads his innocence only proves the more that he’s guilty. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/23 08:13 AM |
| 2 | Open discussion thread: Is feminism leading to guys feeling uncomfortable in situations where they feel like they are in the wrong, for checking out a women, or is it a consequence of the governments attempting to make men weak?Is it one OR the other? Is the government not feminist? | /r/MensRights | 27/06/23 04:35 PM |
| 2 | An original view on the ‘male gaze’ and what it really means.There’s lots of her writings on Quillette. All very original and sometimes unsettling. A ‘Not me’-story by her caused a row on this sub a few years ago. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/06/23 06:41 AM |
| 29 | Question on NPD and menIt’s a very subjective diagnosis imho, so I doubt it. In a gynocentric society, women hardly have to act to reach the same goals that narcissistic men strife after. So it’s easier for them to be narcissistic without being noticed. Also, bad behaviour by women is often seen as a reaction to patriarchal oppression, while bad behaviour by men is just seen as bad behaviour. Third, ‘dark triad’ men have some attraction for certain women. So it may even pay for narcissistic men to be openly narcissist… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/06/23 05:01 PM |
| 9 | An original view on the ‘male gaze’ and what it really means.Mrs. Simon herself couldn’t have put it better. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/06/23 03:54 PM |
| 33 | An original view on the ‘male gaze’ and what it really means.They’re like the calvinist iconoclasts from the 17th century, destroying all the old and great art in the ‘wrong’ churches. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/06/23 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Female suicide rising at fastest rate everStill, it’s interesting to wonder why female rates gets higher. Feminism has had more power than ever the last few years (though the tide may be turning slowly). Can it at all be possible that that feminist power is bad for women too? | /r/MensRights | 07/06/23 02:48 PM |
| 3 | An original view on the ‘male gaze’ and what it really means.Alright, changed the link already! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/06/23 02:39 PM |
| – | Weekend check-inI bought strong Valdispert Night now, with valerian, passion flower and melatonin. My idea is only to use it when the scheme doesn’t work out, but it is a reassuring idea to have it within reach. Thanks for the advice! | /r/MenSupportMen | 07/06/23 10:39 AM |
| 1 | Panopticon of iffinessDid you contact Heterodox Academy? They are not pro or against feminism or any identity politics, but want to stimulate open dialogue in academia. Another interesting group fighting for freedom of speech is FIRE. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/06/23 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Weekend check-inThank you! | /r/MenSupportMen | 04/06/23 07:08 AM |
| 3 | I'm still a FeministIt’s not just the rigid partisanship, it’s also Pavlovian automatically combining all kinds of issues to be ‘left-wing’. If you’re against invading Afghanistan, you must also be against nuclear energy, pro-welfare state, pro-gay marriage, pro-affirmative action for minorities, support all strikes of the working class, fight global warming - and be a feminist. While in reality, an independent thinker could be pro or against any of these things in any combination. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/23 07:07 AM |
| 3 | I'm still a FeministIt’s also a ‘which side are you on’-reaction. If you’re left wing, you’re a feminist. If you’re not a feminist, you’re not left wing. Most people can’t even imagine an independent opinion that is not dependent on taking sides above everything else. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/23 04:42 PM |
| 5 | I'm still a FeministNo, I don’t agree at all. Women having problems is not the same as being oppressed by society. And as soon as a problem, shared by a meaningful percentage of women, is known, society goes out of its way to find ways to solve it. This happens not at all for men. Similarly, men doing evil things to women, like rapists or violent husbands, are not part of any patriarchy or male conspiracy and it’s useless to depict them that way in any analysis. They’re just individual crooks. And last, men and wom… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/23 04:26 PM |
| 2 | Weekend check-inI’m getting rid of my lormetazepam and oxazepam addiction by only taking diazepam, taking 2 milligram less every 2 weeks, starting with 14 milligram. In the beginning it was no big deal and I was even ahead of the scheme. But this Monday I’m supposed to go from 6 to 4 milligram (only taking them during the night now, don’t need them anymore during the day) and I notice it changes my lifestyle and I’m a bit more stressed than I should be. I try to sleep better by not taking more than two cups of … | /r/MenSupportMen | 03/06/23 03:24 PM |
| 1 | Panopticon of iffinessThis article is exactly about this, and not from a men’s rights medium. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201906/the-men-s-mental-health-double-bind | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/23 01:57 PM |
| 1 | Could you be friends with a feminist who is not misandrist?I don’t agree. I do think that at the end of the day feminists want men to toe the line and behave exactly as they wish. But they see nothing wrong in that, as in their point of view they just demand ‘anti-oppressive’ behaviour. They may even meet non-feminist men they like and think they can convert them. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/23 07:02 AM |
| 2 | Could you be friends with a feminist who is not misandrist?O yes, I’ve had lots of good friends who were feminists. I sometimes even was in love with one of them. They weren’t the ones steeped in ideology, but they truly believed women are (still) the oppressed group who should fight for their rights. They often also believed men would benefit from feminism too. So I don’t think they even thought much of the MRM. Your demands on her are so high that it’s doubtful somebody like that would call herself a feminist at all. I even have some feminist acquaint… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/23 06:49 AM |
| 2 | Panopticon of iffinessIt’s a quote of Voltaire as far as I know. Not just any populist neckbeard. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/23 05:05 PM |
| 3 | Panopticon of iffinessIn your third alinea you say ‘I’m fine’ and ‘perhaps that’s fine’. You shouldn’t. It’s tyrannical. It can be a fact you have to accept and live with, but being fine with it is defeatist and being nice to tyrants imho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/23 05:04 PM |
| 1 | Panopticon of iffinessI think Christians ARE the most persecuted religious group in the world, but do you have any figures? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/23 05:01 PM |
| 2 | The peacock’s tail as a metaphor for ‘patriarchy’.I’ve heard people claim that mathematics is rooted in white supremacy, so we’re in good company. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/23 03:28 PM |
| 1 | How to dismiss the argument that we should focus on women's issues before tackling men's onesMen are simply not a privileged group as a whole. It’s the apex fallacy: a few thousand men may have a lot of money and power, but when we look at the other millions, men get more often the short end of the stick. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/23 04:19 PM |
| 12 | The peacock’s tail as a metaphor for ‘patriarchy’.I think most MRA’s and almost all LWMA’s have been feminists before. It is because they feel betrayed by feminism that they came to that conclusion. Men who never were feminists often don’t bother. Contrary to the feminist narrative that men’s activist either have always been hopeless misogynists or ‘misunderstand’ feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/23 05:01 PM |
| 2 | The peacock’s tail as a metaphor for ‘patriarchy’.He also has a Facebook page Gender Equalists. Often ventilating interesting opinions. He may be more anti-feminist now than he was then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/23 04:01 PM |
| 1 | The peacock’s tail as a metaphor for ‘patriarchy’.Yeah, Tim Goldich is, at least in this video, a bit milder about the concept than I am. That’s why I wrote ‘patriarchy’ and not patriarchy. But I still thought it a good video. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/23 03:21 PM |
| 3 | Something I want to ask and I could be an ass for asking this. What is with the left's disdain of agency in dating and relationships??Yes, and ‘male advocate stuff’ is not a holy book full of dogmas, it’s essentially trying to make sense of what happens in our interaction, on both personal and political level, with other people. So exactly what the OP is asking. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/23 07:03 AM |
| 9 | Something I want to ask and I could be an ass for asking this. What is with the left's disdain of agency in dating and relationships??Imho this is one of the core businesses of what you call ‘male advocate stuff’. So if we’d left that out this post would remain devoid of reactions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/23 06:13 PM |
| 36 | Something I want to ask and I could be an ass for asking this. What is with the left's disdain of agency in dating and relationships??This makes it even harder for men. They don’t just have to take all the initiative, but also make it seem it all went by itself and that requires excellent actorship. It is also the flaw in the ‘explicit consent’-demand. How can anybody at the same time let things happen by itself and take initiative with an explicit question? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/23 06:09 PM |
| 1 | More debates on Dutch FacebookOne more interesting article: why boys end up more in prison and girls more in mental health institutions. It’s still a bit (but fortunately not totally) ‘if only boys would express their feelings more’ and ‘patriarchy hurts men too’, but it’s by no means ‘women most affected’, it’s genuinely empathic towards boys, the problems it addresses are real and it doesn’t deny biological differences, though it states (with some reasons) they’re not the whole story. Considering KRO-NCRV is a left-wing-Ch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/23 04:03 PM |
| 1 | More debates on Dutch Facebook😂 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/23 03:50 PM |
| 1 | More debates on Dutch FacebookIt reminds me of Eastern Europe in 1989. Not that I’d say feminism is as dictatorial as communism. But the mechanism is the same: once the fear of contradicting the dogmas is gone, the tyranny loses its power. The genie is out of the bottle. And it will (hopefully) never get totally back in again. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/23 06:45 AM |
| 2 | More debates on Dutch FacebookA girl being touched on her bum is sooner in the news than anybody killed by a drunken driver. If there are a few hundred predators in a population of millions, it will be news all the time, including all the comments on it and all the feelings about it. Not that they are not legitimate, but the picture as a whole is terribly skewed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/23 09:14 AM |
| 4 | More debates on Dutch FacebookYes, and also the age and sex of the boys. When I do volunteer work with primary school girls, some people clearly think I’m doing a good job. But others seem a bit distrustful about me being so friendly and having so much fun with them. I never had explicit trouble about that, but I’m careful. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/05/23 07:12 AM |
| 5 | Women's Attitudes Towards Gay MenIn my home town of Groningen in the 1970s there was a gay bar called the Duke. I heard from straight men that they regularly went there to pick up women. Maybe women let gay men come closer, thinking it’s ‘safe’, and then give in when the kissing starts. Maybe they also think it interesting having ‘converted’ a gay man if even for one night; it boosts their vanity more than being picked up by a straight man. Maybe it’s even some kind of light fetish. I also know a gay man who thinks the attentio… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/23 07:55 PM |
| 2 | More debates on Dutch FacebookI must say, when I walk or play in the park with my twin grandsons (17 months) I’m not just tolerated, I’m admired. Everybody, from young girls to people in their 30s walking their dogs to other parents and grandparents, loves the boys and think it great how that rather old man with that cowboy hat pays attention to them and joyfully cares for them. It is more than I expected when I started those walks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/23 04:31 PM |
| 5 | More debates on Dutch FacebookWell, it was just this one woman. As I said, almost nobody really agreed with her and even only a minority said they could ‘understand her feelings’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/23 01:58 PM |
| 10 | More debates on Dutch FacebookLatest development: a woman with whom I had a serious debate about female independence liked my last comment on what she said! Probably because I remained polite and even complimented her for a remark about doing things together. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/23 01:36 PM |
| 14 | More debates on Dutch FacebookIronically enough, it’s also older women who experienced the sixties as a free time, who now are stunned by the careful, distrustful and easily offended way some young women interact with men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/23 01:33 PM |
| 2 | Weekend check-inKnackered but alright. After a few very irregular days I had a quite normal day with my twin grandsons (almost 17 months), except that the weather was exceptionally good. They played a few hours and slept a few hours. I was afraid one of them would be a bit ill and weepy, but he was quite satisfied and cheerful. I love them so much, they really changed my life. | /r/MenSupportMen | 14/05/23 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Demonization of MenBecause ‘women in general’ is not the same as the good woman you’re looking for. She may very well exist, but but the ‘supply’ of this group (excuse me for the purely economic terms) has dwindled and become much smaller than the demand. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/23 05:22 PM |
| 10 | Gender roles & gender inequality existed, but was it really due to patriarchy? Was patriarchy theory a thing in the way feminists have described it in history? (Timeline of British/US History)I read a German book about the sexuality of animals. The foreword states that Darwin already mentioned that males are totally dependent on the selections females make, but 19th century ‘patriarchal’ society couldn’t accept that. The irony is that this statement is exactly at the core of the men’s rights movement, starting with Warren Farrell, and feminists will call it whining! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/23 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Looking for a paper on suppressing politically incorrect scienceI directly think about this: https://quillette.com/2020/07/27/the-myth-of-pervasive-misogyny/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/23 05:03 PM |
| 10 | Are We Dating The Same Guy does not go against Facebook's Community Standards for harassmentMaybe there are no mods, just robots answering complaints. Facebook doesn’t have a helpdesk, nobody you can speak to, if somebody stole your account they do nothing, if somebody died it’s virtually impossible to remove their profile. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/23 08:24 AM |
| 1 | The trend of trying to explain today's unwillingness of men to marry with "porn addiction and video games", is pure, distilled feminist anti-male dehumanization.It’s the other way round. Men look for other ways to get their sexual pleasure because women want them jumping through umpteen burning hoops before they judge them worthwhile for even a kiss. Most men would prefer live women to porn. But not with the idiot demands - and restrictions! - for approaching them nowadays. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/23 07:01 AM |
| 1 | Being negative and defeatist is harming the movement. We need to focus on our accomplishments and make sure people know where to go if they want to help.Yes, but those average people were there in 2010, in 2015, in 2020. True, I see them more open about their opinions on social media now. But I wonder if any men’s issues group has had any influence on that. It’s more like being fed up with woke in general, including women presenting themselves as damsels in distress, but criticising them without a profound theoretical background. And it has the risk in it of being fed up with the left in general. I see this happen in the Netherlands, where the l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 07:21 PM |
| 3 | Being negative and defeatist is harming the movement. We need to focus on our accomplishments and make sure people know where to go if they want to help.Some leftist will on the outside agree on men’s issues that can be de-gendered, or depoliticised. They’ll agree there should be less suicides, homeless, people doing dangerous work, but think it much less of an issue that the majority of those are men. Or they’ll agree with intactivism and more psychological help for men (as long as you don’t come up with how the content of that help should look like). And even those moderate points were never a leftist priority this century. When it comes to af… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Being negative and defeatist is harming the movement. We need to focus on our accomplishments and make sure people know where to go if they want to help.They will also become the target of vicious personal attacks. There’s always one or two things you’ve said or done wrong in your life, and feminism will use them to totally identify you with them. Jordan Peterson has experienced that. So they will think twice or thrice before leading the men’s movement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Being negative and defeatist is harming the movement. We need to focus on our accomplishments and make sure people know where to go if they want to help.This. Exactly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 02:22 PM |
| 6 | Being negative and defeatist is harming the movement. We need to focus on our accomplishments and make sure people know where to go if they want to help.The problem is that it’s absolutely amazing how little response the call for addressing men’s issues has got in the about ten years that I follow things that have to do with MRA’s and similar subjects. You can call that despair but it’s a horrible objective fact. Men’s issues still, after all those long long years of trying to spread information, aren’t even considered a legitimate point to discuss about. 99% of leftists still see men’s advocates as reactionary stupid neckbeards, as uninterestin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 02:20 PM |
| 1 | Have you ever been shamed by another man (or men in your life) for showing certain emotions?Maybe when I was a kid. Later, people may have pointed out that it’s not always sensible to show emotions if not necessary. And maybe more often than they would have done to women, but with a reason. You can agree or disagree with that, but it isn’t ‘shaming’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/23 02:41 PM |
| 1 | My therapist responded to me, I'm not sure how to interpret his response about my opening up to him, so I'd like to share it here and get some input.The problem here is that when women do take the initiative, it is mostly to the happy ‘hot’ few of men, not to every man who is pleasant and kind but not especially sexy. When they take more initiative without also being less selective, nothing will change for the latter group or it may even become harder for them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 06:56 AM |
| 5 | My therapist responded to me, I'm not sure how to interpret his response about my opening up to him, so I'd like to share it here and get some input.It strikes me too, that when you tell a doctor or therapist you feel lonely and don’t know how to approach a potential partner, they’ll never talk about what to do about that. It may be pure ignorance from their side, but I think the MeToo-ideology also plays a role. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/23 01:59 PM |
| 13 | My therapist responded to me, I'm not sure how to interpret his response about my opening up to him, so I'd like to share it here and get some input.Yes, but totally decent behaviour is sometimes also described as creepy, especially when it’s either awkward or ‘too’ spontaneous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/23 01:40 PM |
| 8 | Gender biases in our narratives about historyA woman that I really like wrote something on Facebook about an old great nomadic warrior tribe which seemed to have many female leaders, though archeologically this wasn’t sure. I’m sure this woman hates war. If it is true about that female leadership, it only proves women can be as bad and aggressive as men when it comes to waging war. The same with feminists applauding the female Viking warriors. When there’s just men waging war, they’ll probably be the first saying that war is due to toxic m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/23 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityPizza with cheese means pizza without tomato and vice versa? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/23 04:53 PM |
| 2 | Is anyone here a victim of false accusations? Or knows someone who is?They may regret having sex and tell, even themselves, it wasn’t voluntary. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/23 04:17 PM |
| 4 | Is anyone here a victim of false accusations? Or knows someone who is?Not before a judge. But twice I had a woman accusing me of sexual misconduct when everything that happened was consensual, be it that the first time we were both dead drunk and didn’t realise it was an unwise thing to do. The second time the woman kept sending me e-mails after what happened with cc’s to lots of other people. Fortunately they knew she was a borderliner and did things like that more often. But both were horrible experiences, even without any direct danger. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/23 04:16 PM |
| 4 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityYes, I know a woman who as a young girl already could recognise cars and motorcycles by their noise and smell. I mean, you can hardly get it more masculine than that. But I still recognise her as a woman. But I also recognise her as an exception. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/23 04:36 PM |
| 3 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityThere are very good books by Griet Vandermassen, Frans de Waal, Maarten ‘t Hart and no doubt many others. You don’t have to agree with everything they say to conclude they’re more serious than gender studies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/23 12:21 PM |
| 3 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityYou totally miss the point of what I say. With ‘expectations’ I don’t mean ‘obligations’, not even rational conclusions, but just intuitive ideas about what to expect. Without any of those intuitive ideas, no understanding of reality is possible. Saying they’re actual demands is strawmanning my position. The laws you talk about are horrible, but I’m talking about everyday life in relatively liberal societies. And again, if you say ‘fuck those people’ you’re very welcome. It’s your life and you h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/23 11:00 AM |
| 3 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityI said ‘something similar’, not ‘the same. And chimpanzees are also more often cooperative than violent. And doesn’t ‘beyond teenage’ mainly say that besides instincts, humans also have big brains, civilisation and a conscious morality? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/23 09:48 AM |
| 6 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityThis is what bothers me more often in this sub. Blaming society for facts that can very well be biological. Suggesting the (also often natural) preferences of women are either egotistical or conditioned, or both. Not wanting the world to have certain expectations of you because you’re a man; especially altruistic expectations but not only. (Well, feel free not to live up to them, you won’t be jailed or even fined, but don’t complain when you have trouble finding a partner or with other relations… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/23 06:36 AM |
| 10 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityLet’s not replace ‘women are wonderful’ with ‘men are wonderful’. When we look at chimpanzees, we see that males partly try to become dominant by open competition, partly by being a good force for the community, providing food, peace-making etc. Of course no great ape is exactly the same, but I can imagine something similar is going on with Homo sapiens. And of course, because women like it that way; not even as a conscious reason for men, but by sexual selection. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/23 08:23 PM |
| 6 | Forget red pill. Learn thisThat’s true in the sense that people who don’t do that at all probably seldom are happy. But neither are people who care more for others than for themselves. | /r/MenSupportMen | 25/04/23 05:33 PM |
| 3 | I wish mainstream "men's issues" advocates discussed problems like rape, domestic violence, and legal/educational bias more often rather than focusing on issues related to "toxic masculinity"Actually there’s no such thing as mainstream men’s issues advocates. There’s just feminists who hate men, and feminists who think men’s problems will be solved when they stop behaving like men. Like has become clear in this sub, there’s a lot more real men’s issues that you don’t even mention. But never mind, your point is sound. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/23 05:30 PM |
| 1 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.I think in every country a lot of people have these thoughts. But the room to speak them out gets bigger here, and people are less afraid than in the years ‘10. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/23 07:18 AM |
| 3 | What are problems men face that women don’t face?This list can very well be used when asked this question. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/23 03:52 PM |
| 3 | What are problems men face that women don’t face?Maybe women are better in some skills. I have no problems with that. But recognising that would reasonably mean: possibly and probably men are more represented in some positions because THEY have better skills. Any one-sided conclusion is pure sexism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/23 03:50 PM |
| 3 | What are problems men face that women don’t face?Yes, in theory it is advocating equality of outcome. In practice, whenever men get the short end of the stick, it is: ‘Well, they’ve been privileged for ages, they’re not used to pulling their weight anymore.’ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/23 02:34 PM |
| 3 | Science denial won’t end sexism.There were non-radical projects for women who had a traditional position until then. Feminism was radical and probably now annexes those projects in their history. Warren Farrell quit not because feminism changed but because he realised what it was about. Erin Pizzey was thrown out of the movement. Non-radical feminists were probably like the ‘good’ feminist we meet here every now and then to ‘correct’ our ‘misunderstandings’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/23 06:55 AM |
| 7 | Science denial won’t end sexism.This myth that the second wave was more liberal. I’m getting old, I was around. (Hetero)sex negativity was more rampant than in the third wave (I must admit, at least is was also more consequent and knew less double standards). ‘Every woman is a lesbian except for the ones who don’t know yet’, ‘A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle’, ‘When God created man She was only joking’, ‘Before talking about misandry in feminism let’s talk about misogyny in society’, all very second wave slogans… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 07:09 PM |
| 5 | What are problems men face that women don’t face?If they really thought it an issue they could have started actions to change it. If lesbians have changed from almost totally taboo to almost totally accepted, why would that have been harder for women taking initiatives to men? I can’t ignore the impression they simply think the current situation more comfortable than more equal expectations. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 03:33 PM |
| 4 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Who talks about purely biological? Not me, nor any theorists I know. I can’t even imagine what purely biological behaviour, except maybe for small infants, would look like in modern society. If what you try to state is summarised by the above, I don’t actually see where we disagree. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 02:10 PM |
| 3 | Science denial won’t end sexism.I agree with what you say about diversity; just as long as it doesn’t degenerate into what identity politics call ‘diversity’, meaning everybody must have the same opinion so nobody feels excluded. And as long as nobody gets a position just because of the group or groups they are part of. But yes, diversity as such makes things always interesting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 12:57 PM |
| 1 | Science denial won’t end sexism.I didn’t say it ‘means’. I said the burden of proof lies on the people who say it is culturally determined. Ockham’s razor, but you don’t seem to know that. Just talking about a huge mistake in assumptions is too easy then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 11:16 AM |
| 6 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Cultural inertia??? Western cultures have been pushing feminist ideas and equality of outcome for about half a century, in education, media etc. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 10:20 AM |
| 6 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Let people do the things that makes them most happy. Why would equal representation be needed for that? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 10:16 AM |
| 3 | Science denial won’t end sexism.I don’t know where you live, but the majority of historians I know are men. Being discouraged to study history sounds very, very strange to me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/23 06:13 AM |
| 6 | Science denial won’t end sexism.So why are there much more female lawyers and classical musicians since, say, 1970? When women entered the labour market they chose occupations they liked and still left others to men. The problem with your, sometimes almost circular, reasoning is that you ignore both Ockam’s razor and Poppers falsifiability. When you think something is due to sexism there is always a witty reasoning available to make it possibly due to sexism, but that’s not what arguing is about. Humans are great apes and beha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 08:37 PM |
| 9 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Businesses going bankrupt are used to defend low taxes and a neoliberal economy. That doesn’t mean those bankruptcies aren’t a fact or a problem. Judging facts or theories by the way they can be used by the right is a lousy way of thinking and unfortunately one of the big weaknesses that have always harmed the left. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Human cultures know a lot of differences, just as human individuals do. But some versions are the vast majority and some are really small exceptions. I may be stupid to never have heard about the Wodaabe, but they can’t be exactly a very vast population and you need them to make your point. Which may prove at best that our culture might change with a lot of effort (and that might be a good thing), but not that our customs have no roots in biology at all. About never really being 100% sure: that’… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 07:57 PM |
| 6 | Science denial won’t end sexism.A lot of references and bibliography in this book. Unfortunately the English version is much more expensive than the Dutch one, let alone the Dutch e-book. https://www.amazon.com/Whos-Afraid-Charles-Darwin-Evolutionary/dp/074254351X | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 07:46 PM |
| 7 | Science denial won’t end sexism.The book of Griet Vandermassen contains a lot of evidence for differences. Enough science available too, only the conventional wisdom pretends it’s either not there or conservative, sexist lies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 07:24 PM |
| 6 | Science denial won’t end sexism.To be honest, I think some people will be convinced by ‘it’s biology’ to keep a lousy state of affairs the way it is. But as I said, science says nothing about the way people SHOULD behave. Also, even when 90% of mothers (which I estimate a much too high percentage) would be better parents than fathers, it doesn’t say anything about individual cases and the other 10% should never be disregarded. And most advocates of biological differences will say that men and women complement eachother and tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 07:17 PM |
| 6 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Even when the curves were a lot closer to each other than in your second example, it might legitimise a vast majority of one sex in some very specialised occupations, f ex top-ict’ers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Science denial won’t end sexism.Not my experience. Maybe because I’m conscripted to their e-mail, but I can always open their content without problems. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 05:20 PM |
| 17 | What are problems men face that women don’t face?Affirmative action benefiting women until there is equality of outcome, without any consideration of the social or biological reasons those differences are there. This, of course, only for high-status jobs and positions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 05:05 PM |
| 18 | What are problems men face that women don’t face?Having to take initiative for romantic or sexual encounters because women hardly do, and being shamed, ridiculed or even accused when you make a mistake, or even when it doesn’t ‘feel’ right for a woman. Maybe this falls under ‘sexual attention gap’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 04:29 PM |
| 2 | I think feminism is a right wing ideology.The ‘good’ feminists either don’t have the guts to break the power of the bad ones or never get the chance. If they were only a big minority within feminism, toxic female supremacy like we see everywhere wouldn’t stand a chance. But if existing at all, they’re smaller than a small minority. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 09:25 PM |
| 2 | I think feminism is a right wing ideology.Not a very sound argument. The same was said about social-democrats in Europe when neoliberals wanted to break their power and establish a more unbridled, Friedmanian capitalism: ‘you’re the ones in power, you’re the conservatives now.’ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 09:19 PM |
| 2 | I think feminism is a right wing ideology.Libertarianism is a curious ideology, ultra-capitalist economically, but often admirably free-thinking culturally. ‘More right wing form’ sounds too simple to me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 09:14 PM |
| 5 | I think feminism is a right wing ideology.BLM is for blacks what feminism is for women. A parasite movement pretending to represent a struggle against oppression. Not a very fortunate example. There’s an organisation of mothers of black victims of gang violence who absolutely despise BLM. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 09:10 PM |
| 6 | I think feminism is a right wing ideology.This is interesting. Erik van Ree, a former Dutch Maoist, wrote the book ‘The totalitarian paradox’. He states that normal authoritarian regimes just make laws and want the people to obey; but totalitarian states want everybody to participate, to discuss about everything, to feel they are part of the omnipresent people’s power - and as a result, hate any dissenting voice and silence them or worse. Maoism of course is a textbook example of that. Feminism and modern identity politics in general ma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 09:04 PM |
| 15 | “Have you deprogrammed yourself from misogyny?”Yes, I got an electroshock cure for that which was a bargain. Only since then I have some troubles walking down stairs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 08:45 PM |
| 4 | The mainstream and academia always knew, yet did NOTHING. An article from 2010 that proves men’s issues have been known about, yet were ignored and belittled, for over a decadeSo it is still a mystery to me why you said ‘fucking scum’ except when you use words like that for everybody who does things you don’t like. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/23 06:10 AM |
| 6 | I think feminism is a right wing ideology.I’m careful with the Godwin, but cishet white men often are blamed for the evils in the world like the Jews were before the war. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/23 07:37 PM |
| 6 | The mainstream and academia always knew, yet did NOTHING. An article from 2010 that proves men’s issues have been known about, yet were ignored and belittled, for over a decadeThe left will NOT acknowledge their faults. The right will win, not really promoting men’s rights but at least not practicing the same misandry and anti-sexuality, and decimating the left. Only then something totally new that we leftists might like hopefully will start. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/23 07:35 PM |
| 15 | The mainstream and academia always knew, yet did NOTHING. An article from 2010 that proves men’s issues have been known about, yet were ignored and belittled, for over a decadeEven then. Did you walk a mile in their shoes? Many of those men have been terribly lonely for a long, long while before they turned that bitter. They didn’t turn bitter for fun. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/23 07:31 PM |
| 23 | Boys, Feminism, and EmpathyCathy Young is one of my favourite authors about gender issues. Maybe THE favourite since Helen Pluckrose sadly got exhausted. She is also one of the best authors about the flaws of the MeToo-ideology. In this article, I get the impression she underestimates the natural differences between the sexes a bit. But otherwise, as usually, she is magnificently to the point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/23 07:25 PM |
| 5 | Most People Support Men's Rights, Why Not the Government?True. Actually most people have no clue whatsoever about most issues. I won’t even pretend I do. But I hope I’m a bit cautious stating things about things before at least gathering a minimum of information. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/23 01:11 PM |
| 6 | Most People Support Men's Rights, Why Not the Government?Your examples are low hanging fruit; they’re so explicit that people can hardly give other answers without looking too openly misandrist; and they’re not about facts people know. Some examples: When asked about male sexuality and dating strategies, people’s answers will be a lot more feminist. 2. When you ask ‘Should people be as empathic towards men as towards women?’ most people will confirm that. But ask two different questions with some time in between, and you’ll get a totally different pic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/23 11:06 AM |
| 2 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.Then read something about it. Frans de Waal or Griet Vandermassen, for example. These blank slate illusions have long been destroyed. It has been talked about several times on this sub. How long have you been participating in gender debates without extending your knowledge? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/23 06:46 AM |
| 3 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.You ignore half of my comment, which is about chimpanzees. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 05:04 PM |
| 9 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.Like the author Heinrich Boll said: ‘I’m not a ‘good German’, I’m a German, whether people like it or not.’ The same way I refuse to be a ‘good man’ and I always hated the Good Men Project already because of their name. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.It is the sum of character traits men on average naturally have much more than women. That makes it concrete enough. They’re often also the traits that makes men attractive to women. That makes it unwise to totally ignore them. That said, no man should be forced to have or show any characteristics. I for myself f ex hate car races and boxing, and love playing with children and listening to melodious, a bit sentimental songs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.This sounds dangerously like denying biology altogether. But maybe you don’t mean it that way. I would agree no man should be forced to show all and only ‘masculine’ traits and vice versa. But I wouldn’t say they are not there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.In WW II, when lipstick was unavailable or too expensive, women made their lips red with beet juice. Frans de Waal describes how even female chimpanzees decorate themselves, sometimes in curious ways. So there’s more to natural femininity than just the pure features that have to do with procreation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Postive masculinity is still something vague when you think about it.Many cultures have male initiation rites. This may sound traditional or even reactionary, and the rites are often cruel and painful. Still, I wonder if there might be some sense in thinking about rituals that are fit for our society and values, and really make boys feel like they make the passage to manhood. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 04:41 PM |
| 1 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.I have no problems with the people I regularly associate with. They’re just not partner or sex material. So I (if I still want something that way) have to reach out to people I’m less sure of, and who may react very nicely until this point comes up. Also, to follow your advice you have to be pretty secure and stoic in interactions, and then you probably don’t need that advice. And I think about 80% of people aren’t that way: social anxiety is nowadays the most frequent problem therapists have to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 04:34 PM |
| 1 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.Well I’m Dutch, and I think I did describe the situation in my home country quite adequately. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/23 07:14 AM |
| 3 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.I think that would be a disaster, I’d even prefer open total freedom for women but not for men, so that women could do the work for a while. But I wouldn’t really be against some kind of etiquette, a clear but more or less strict way and pace men should approach women and women were supposed to react if they seriously want to give the whole thing a chance. Part of this etiquette of course should be that men should never be shamed or ridiculed for giving it a try and following it, however big or … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 05:33 PM |
| 1 | How do we make real progress?The terminology changes whenever it has been criticised enough. I haven’t seen ‘check your privilege’ for years. ‘Woke’ used to be something fanatic intersectionals called themselves, but they tend to avoid it now. But that’s all damage control, the ideology remains the same. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 05:16 PM |
| 6 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.Yeah, and on the other hand feminists say girls are afraid of ‘slut shaming’ and as a result will often look less interested than they really are. But woe to the man who sometimes thinks that might be the case… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 05:08 PM |
| 6 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.I always call this a ‘catholic’ view on approaching girls with erotic intentions, I hope that’s not discriminatory. When Protestants say you shouldn’t do something, they mean it can and must be avoided in real life. Catholics know a lot of sins they actually shouldn’t commit, but unavoidably almost commit on daily basis. Then they have to confess and pray a rosary or something. Of course these feminists, if they are heterosexual and not committed virgins, know very well men have approached them … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 04:18 PM |
| 1 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.I hope it’s better now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 04:08 PM |
| 3 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.Some people miss ‘a few’ relationships which is all in the game, some become incels in the neutral, factual sense of the word, some are shamed and ostracised for making the wrong estimates, and not just by the girl involved. Reality is tougher than you seem to realise. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 03:54 PM |
| 9 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.Like Warren Farrell says: boys run the risk that girls lose interest when they’re too slow or hesitant, and accuse them of assault when they’re not. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 01:41 PM |
| 3 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.I did, but one way or another they disappeared when I posted it. Reddit is rather hopeless with this imho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 06:53 AM |
| -2 | The discussion about harassment and male desire seems to change, at least in the Netherlands.This is very complicated and hardly adds anything when I’m talking about ten or twenty Dutch online debates. I think my resume was adequate. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/23 06:52 AM |
| 1 | Destiny On Disaffected Men And The ManosphereProgressives have not done a good job reaching out to minorities. They have turned decent anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia etc. into identity politics, placing the ‘lived experience’ of the ‘marginalised’ above objective facts and figures; giving only ammunition to the reactionaries, who made ample use of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/23 06:35 PM |
| 2 | What are the examples of misandry, male disposability & common male tropes in fiction?You don’t have to agree with every book you read. I’d say: you’ll only keep an open mind by reading books you explicitly or implicitly disagree with. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/23 05:33 PM |
| 2 | What are the examples of misandry, male disposability & common male tropes in fiction?The comedyseries Man about the house. Upstairs lives a man who wants sex but the two girls don’t. Of course, the man is ridiculous. Downstairs lives a woman (Mildred) who wants sex but the man (George) doesn’t. Of course, the man is ridiculous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/23 04:45 PM |
| 1 | How do we make real progress?I’m afraid first the left implodes due to people being fed up with feminism and identity politics in general. In the Netherlands this clearly is already happening; instead of 40 or 45%, like in the past, the left gets barely 25% of the votes. Then there will remain confused, populist movements who defend the poor against neoliberalism, which hopefully will slowly become something like left-wing, or something quite new, that will be both for equality and sustainability. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/23 04:34 PM |
| 3 | What are the examples of misandry, male disposability & common male tropes in fiction?What struck me in Isabel Allende’s House of the spirits was that all female protagonists were wise, enterprising, daring, socialist, while the men were at best dumb and at worst evil, except for the boyfriend of the main character, who is so gentle and non-competitive that Karen Straughan would call him an ‘honorary woman’. Still being a ‘critical feminist’ when I read it, I wondered if mainstream novels were the other way round without me noticing it. Now I’m quite sure they seldom or never are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/23 04:28 PM |
| 7 | A Contradiction in Rhetoric Regarding Men's SuicideDon’t think these arguments are rational. They’re just there to keep the myth of male privilege alive, and as such can very well exist side by side in spite of their contradictions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/03/23 02:50 PM |
| 3 | How do deal with people denying reality?Take a break every now and then. Don’t carry the world on your shoulders. The eventual change won’t depend only on you. (I say this as much to myself as to you.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/03/23 08:28 PM |
| -4 | Happy International Women’s Day‘Not significant’. Quite a cheap way of denying what I said and at the same time denying that you denied it. Why are men so much more competitive? Denying that would only lead to the conclusion that the many men in top functions are due to some kind of ‘male privilege’ or ‘patriarchy’ after all, buying some kind of feminism-light at least. Why are women so much more selective choosing their partners, and why do they prefer successful men one way or another, stimulating that competition? Denying … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 07:28 PM |
| 2 | Biased definitions, lying by omission and what it means for something to be true.If men really had more power they would not let this happen: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 04:36 PM |
| 7 | Biased definitions, lying by omission and what it means for something to be true.‘Objectification’ is often used as a slur for thinking a woman’s body beautiful and sexy, and seeing that as a reason to look at her and/or contact her. Used as such, the word is just a way to demonise male sexual feelings. The whole theory of ‘not seeing her as a person’ etc. is nothing but an appendix justifying that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 01:35 PM |
| 11 | Why does The Left Keep Missing This About The Male Loneliness Problem?The idea that there are quite a few real good heterosexual men out there who’d love a partner but can’t get one would make a big dent in feminist ideology. It means that the women with violent or even too dominant male partners simply may have made the wrong choices, or let the initiative come too much from men, so that bad relationships aren’t really patriarchy’s fault. The accusation ‘you only want sex’ is full of double standards, even if it would be true. At the same time feminists defend th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 01:28 PM |
| -1 | Happy International Women’s DayYou sound suspiciously like ‘gender is a social construct’. It isn’t. Everybody doing serious research has come to the conclusion that men and women on average are quite different by nature and very different when it comes to choosing a partner. Ignoring that will keep the catastrophic situation (close) men-women-relationships nowadays are in unsolved. This has been discussed several times on this sub, always with the same outcome, but people keep bringing up their gender-neutral utopia (apparen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 01:20 PM |
| 2 | Ammunition - in other words, a ‘library’ of links and sources?It turns out the source of ammunition I recommended already does exist. What remains for me is the question: can we make it better known, and stimulate the sub-members more both to use it and to contribute to it? For it remains frustrating to me that I see so many online discussions on gender issues with so few profound and source-mentioning reactions. Misandrist feminism could be shot full of leaks if they were more common. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/23 05:38 PM |
| 5 | Does the inherent Class Denialism of Feminism make it not Left Wing?I can’t stop thinking Gloria Steinem’s links to the CIA were no coincidence. Didn’t she on purpose split the left-wing movement by throwing suspicion on men? https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-gloria-steinem-cia-20151025-story.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/23 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Guardian article that sums up the left's problem discussing male loneliness.Yeah, but again: would an older man with an income below average have an image like that? I don’t mean that women are golddiggers, but successful men simply suggest they have genes for success, whatever the rationalisation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/02/23 02:59 PM |
| 2 | Books with subtle male struggle themesA flight of curlews, about a man who never learned how to approach women and finally decides to live in isolation. https://www.letterenfonds.nl/en/book/690/a-flight-of-curlews | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Does radical feminism damage the profile of women's rights?Dunno. It suggests that feminism would be alright if just misandrists like Valerie Solanas hadn’t existed. I think feminism is flawed for supposing patriarchy is to blame everywhere there is no equality of outcome, for a lot of double standards (around sexuality and intimacy in general, empathy and more), for suggesting men should be more soft and emotional while not being interested in men like that, and for denying everything that smells like evolutionary psychology. And then I probably forget… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 06:32 PM |
| 5 | A lie that needs to die: "Men Won't Take Birth Control if They Had it."Many men are voluntarily being sterilised. That already proves this assumption is nonsense. I did it against my then-girlfriend’s will, while she accepted condoms as the only contraceptive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 06:21 PM |
| 4 | Guardian article that sums up the left's problem discussing male loneliness.Why would girls date older men? Has that nothing to do with them having money, status and a career young men don’t have and maybe never will? Do they also date older men who haven’t a career of any importance? Not very often,I think. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 06:08 PM |
| 20 | Why the rate of single men in the US looking for dates has declinedThis makes the free market phenomenon only more relevant - and harmful. With umbrellas, the notion of scarcity at least has a useful function. But when scarcity is absolute - f ex with ground (you can’t produce extra ground) or sexual/romantic partners - the free market doesn’t work in a beneficial way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 04:57 PM |
| 38 | Why the rate of single men in the US looking for dates has declinedBeing rejected in an ugly way, being shamed for their desires. That is not just bad luck, that is incidental or structural misandry. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Is men discrimination part of some bigger plan?Gloria Steinem was connected to the CIA. That’s not even a secret. Was her feminism a strategy to split up all protest movements? https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-gloria-steinem-cia-20151025-story.html | /r/MensRights | 26/02/23 03:46 PM |
| 3 | Defining masculinityWhere does the article state otherwise? | /r/MensRights | 09/02/23 10:22 PM |
| 9 | When Did You Become Aware?Loads of MRA’s and antifeminist men have this ‘Warren Farrell’-history. The book ‘Sons of feminism’, edited by Janice Fiamengo, contains quite a few stories like that (including my life story). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 08:55 PM |
| 2 | Are boys discriminated against in schools?Apart from incidental or individual discrimination, I think the school system is a lot more fine tuned to girls and women. I don’t understand how the details work, but I don’t doubt it’s happening. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/23 08:22 PM |
| 7 | problems for short menCould it perhaps, perhaps, perhaps be the case that they irritate you anyway and you’re prejudiced against them? (Replace ‘short’ with ‘black’ in your comment and look at the text.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:52 PM |
| 3 | problems for short menIt doesn’t have to be literally screwing. Preferences make the dating market skewed enough. My son is clearly part of the 20%, but often he prefers to friendzone girls. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:43 PM |
| 4 | problems for short menI don’t understand your figures at all. Anyway, women generally being more selective is both an empirically clear fact and evolutionary logical. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:34 PM |
| 24 | problems for short menAnd they earn about 10% less on average, I think. So to be fair it’s not just women discriminating them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:30 PM |
| 3 | problems for short menMy father was an inch or two shorter than my mother. I think their choices had a large cerebral side, maybe larger than I’d manage myself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:27 PM |
| 6 | problems for short menYour ‘certain segment’ is at least 50% of the total population I think. That still leaves the dating market for the 80% men very small. Also the less picky, more reasonable women then will have a lot more choices than the average man. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:25 PM |
| 12 | Men who date younger women not more likely to be abusive, studies showI think women who are much younger than their male partner have a lot of power over him. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 06:20 PM |
| 14 | When Did You Become Aware?Pacifist Socialist Party. The Scum manifesto already existed, I think, Valerie Solanas had already tried to kill Andy Warhol years before. As I said, the PSP wasn’t openly misandrist (the majority of members were men I think), they just demanded total feminism from men. Sometimes I preferred, and prefer, the outright misandrists. They let you do what you want, for it’ll all be wrong anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 05:48 PM |
| 4 | When Did You Become Aware?What happened then? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 03:00 PM |
| 23 | When Did You Become Aware?I was at a meeting of the PSP women, a radical leftist but non-communist group. I thought it normal that men were welcome, but the introduction stated that women couldn’t reach equality without the support of men (which is true, but it was said as if that was a sad fact and they’d rather have kept the men away). Worse were all the speeches and songs that shamed and ridiculed men and especially straight male sexuality. The whole spirit of the evening was: we don’t hate men, as long as they’re per… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/23 01:51 PM |
| 2 | What can we actually do about misandry/the way men are treated?We must not just discuss here but everywhere on the internet (that’s where more people meet than in real life meetings nowadays.) When I see gender issues spoken about f ex on Facebook, there are enough people instinctively and emotionally critical of feminism (and identity politics in general) but mostly rather superficial and I’m the only one participating with some theoretical background, and posting links at all. Where are the other 14.000 members of this sub? To avoid sounding like impulsiv… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/23 08:14 PM |
| 18 | Study uncovers a “particularly alarming” link between men’s feelings of personal deprivation and hostile sexism‘Hostile sexism’ is very vaguely defined and examples aren’t given. When you feel disadvantaged as a man and you come up with this, very factual and backed up list, is that hostile sexism? PsyPost has interesting articles sometimes, but also too often statements like ‘gays tend to be less homophobic than straight people’. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/23 06:59 PM |
| -1 | Some thoughts on the great portrayal of masculinity in Red Dead Redemption IIThat may be the right way to put it. ‘Unreasonably sacrificial’ may be even better, as I can imagine in theory there are circumstances where specifically men (like women in others) should bring sacrifices, though I don’t have any examples ready. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/23 01:40 PM |
| 6 | Let's stop using 'incel' as an insultThe answer is such a question of definition that it hardly makes sense. Only few people are evil, but many are annoyingly stubborn. Some feminists I know are more or less alright, but I can’t stand that they never will consider different opinions. A few years ago I knew some very nice girls who’d probably call themselves feminists, but that was before the woke wave and I don’t know how they are now. The leaders of the movement, the most important influencers, are certainly not good and some I’d … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/23 08:27 AM |
| 2 | Some thoughts on the great portrayal of masculinity in Red Dead Redemption IIThat’s not exactly what I mean. Actually I see the ‘happy single’ applauded everywhere as the ‘last taboo’ that should be demolished. But lots of people, men maybe more than women, are unhappy singles (which is as least as big a taboo imho), partly because of the feminist illusion they don’t have to be manly to be attractive (while in reality only a small percentage of women and even feminists will really think so). We should not stimulate men to end up as happy singles except for the ones who t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 04:25 PM |
| 6 | Let's stop using 'incel' as an insultNo, I just said ‘can be’. On the other hand, rightists can be quite civil and kind people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 03:43 PM |
| 10 | Let's stop using 'incel' as an insultI actually don’t understand why they don’t understand it. Or maybe I do: leftists are not some mysterious kind of ‘better people’, they can just be as big assholes, making fun of people disagreeing with them and failing in life, as everybody else. (Remember the cute Greta Thunberg using the hashtag #smalldickenergy.) So I’m afraid you’re optimistic about ‘educating’ more than a small percentage of them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 02:37 PM |
| 9 | Let's stop using 'incel' as an insultO yes, I have several female acquaintances like that. But your last sentence says enough. And being a good person in everyday life (when you do different things together) is not the same as being a good person on videos all devoted to feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 02:28 PM |
| 3 | TIL that feminist Sheryl Sandberg said the quiet part out loud in her bookIt’s so shamelessly selfish and without any regard for the feelings of (good) men, it makes it frightening this book was so well received. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/23 02:00 PM |
| 1 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?Then you’re lucky. Congratulations. But the fact that you soon ‘found out how to do it’ doesn’t mean loads of people don’t struggle with this (look at the many divorces and older singles) and suggesting there’s a simple way for everybody to cope with this comes close to gaslighting. And that men could show similar irrationality is exactly what I said. The problem is, even if they don’t, it can be very hard to find a woman with a similar sensible attitude. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:53 PM |
| 2 | What are your opinions on powerful men being the main instigators of false accusations?They always amaze me when I thought they couldn’t get more ridiculous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:47 PM |
| 3 | Feminism: A case study on how ideas take on virulent, dangerous lives of their own‘Feminism is cancer’ gets a whole new meaning here. Cancer replaces specific cells with general, characterless cells. Feminism replaces complex and nuanced thought systems with ‘Men oppress women’ as both assumption and conclusion for every issue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:45 PM |
| 2 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?And some of it is biological. A woman might think a successful man attractive without ever even consciously thinking about the money he might provide, just like a man will like a woman with broad hips without considering she has a good body for carrying babies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:38 PM |
| 1 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?‘Human beings just like men.’ Didn’t it take you years if not decades to find out how to select a good partner? It did to me. Pure rationality doesn’t work, pure instinct leads you astray. Men at least are never taught that ‘the best is not good enough for them’, so they might decide to sensible choices sooner in life. Women, through no fault of their own, often select - and reject! - the wrong men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:34 PM |
| 4 | Should men and women get the same amount of retirement? Or should they start retirement at the same age?I’m all for equality for the law. No exceptions because on average men and women have different advantages or disadvantages. You might open a Pandora’s box starting with that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:21 PM |
| 2 | Some thoughts on the great portrayal of masculinity in Red Dead Redemption IIOf course everybody has the freedom to be providers and protectors or not. But let’s not fool ourselves: being just that (or in some cases a winner or impressive in another way) and giving the impression you can do it is what made human men attractive through the ages. It’s not just society forcing us that way, or suggesting that to women. So throwing these aspects of masculinity away might make you end up single and empty-handed to change anything about that. In a more rational society that mig… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:16 PM |
| 1 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?Partly. Free will is never totally disconnected from evolutionary preferences. Sometimes it would be totally impossible to understand for me why certain, quite nice and intelligent, women behave a certain way if not for evolutionary psychology. But that doesn’t mean they are ‘unable to love or bs like that. (Lack of) love is not always rational, neither by men or by women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 01:05 PM |
| 3 | Let's stop using 'incel' as an insultWhich left wing feminist do you consider a good person? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 12:47 PM |
| 5 | Should there be a push for more men to study psychology?Wouldn’t it be even better if all psychologists, including women, learned sensible theories about, and empathy for men’s minds and lives? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/23 12:44 PM |
| 1 | If there was a "Male Advocate" category of films, what films do you think are in the list?Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. Very macho with a lot of fighting and womanising, but so tongue-in-cheek it’s bearable and more than that. My first girlfriend took me to my first film of the duo. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/23 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Should boys start school a year later than girls?This sub has had the nature/nurture discussion umpteen times, always coming to the conclusion nature is important. Really, the way girls can be coquettish, funny, pedantic, charming, the way they move, maybe only very small boys can be a bit similar. (I once met an ex-boy who had concluded she was a girl, but though very sweet she wasn’t like that either.) And also the most gentle boys I know fight with some kind of sf-flash swords or something. And I live in a very progressive neighbourhood, so… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/23 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Domestic Violence: complex problems demand complex solutions.Too bad Erin Pizzey isn’t mentioned here. She was about the first to start houses for battered women, and soon got thrown out of the women’s movement for denouncing patriarchy theory. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/23 03:13 PM |
| 2 | Should boys start school a year later than girls?I don’t know how anybody can say boys and girls are very similar. Did you ever play with a group of boys and/of girls? They’re totally different. Did you read Griet Vandermassen? Culture only plays a small part in this. We’ve had this discussion umpteen times but it keeps popping up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/23 08:08 AM |
| 2 | Should boys start school a year later than girls?Not just their upbringing. Girls aren’t the same as boys and the education system is more adjusted to them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/23 08:12 AM |
| 4 | Quotes that represent my views on masculinityIf-Kipling. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/22 08:10 AM |
| 9 | What does crying actually do for men?Increased sex appeal????? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/22 08:32 PM |
| 5 | Misandry IS systemicNegative and ridiculing posts about men on all kinds of social media are considered normal. Men shouldn’t be ‘whining’ when things are said about them nobody would even dream of saying about women, blacks, Jews, etc. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/22 08:28 PM |
| 3 | If there was a "Male Advocate" category of films, what films do you think are in the list?Joker. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/22 08:22 PM |
| 2 | The misleading notion that men consider themselves "main characters" and expect the world to cater to themHaving no sex feels like an existential threat, because in nature it would mean your genes would go extinct. Of course nobody cares consciously for his ‘genes’, but that doesn’t change a bit about the feeling, which evolutionary must be close to fear of death. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/22 02:31 PM |
| 3 | The misleading notion that men consider themselves "main characters" and expect the world to cater to themO yes, most men I know do that all the time.👻 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/22 02:28 PM |
| 10 | The misleading notion that men consider themselves "main characters" and expect the world to cater to themAt least we could try and find out what exactly is going on, which imho falls apart in two phenomena: hyperselective women and shaming of the ways men approach women. But a lot (not all) of why it is exactly the way it is now (even different from, say, 30 years ago) remains a mysterie. I do agree that just complaining isn’t very useful and happens a bit often on the sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/22 02:25 PM |
| 11 | The misleading notion that men consider themselves "main characters" and expect the world to cater to themThey’re talking about the men they find attractive. Often when women complain about ‘men’, they’re talking about the ones they find attractive, if only because they interact the most with them and know them best. So far from avoiding that behaviour, you’d best copy it if you want to be attractive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/22 02:21 PM |
| 2 | What do you love about being a man?Frankly, I don’t think all traditional notions are false or just a trap. As I implicitly said, there are good biological/evolutionary reasons for men to be as they are. Nobody should feel obliged to conform to them, but that’s no reason to deny them. And personally I don’t much like the tendency of feminists to shout ‘girl power’ whether a girl behaves very masculine or very feminine, especially when they get attention and fame either for very traditional reasons or thanks to one kind or another… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/22 08:56 PM |
| 8 | LWMA LoungeWhen I heard this song for the first time, being about 20, I hoped, wished and more or less expected love would start and be like this. Feeling alone, meeting a nice girl who felt the same, talking all night while looking into her eyes, and, without taking any too explicit initiative, ending up lying close together (more intimate than explicitly sexual to begin with). What I regret is not just that it didn’t happen, but that I changed my aim and my strategy, that I decided I needed a strategy at… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/22 08:47 PM |
| 2 | Can we please talk about the rest of the Left "waking up" to Men's issues??https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oe9D_fZ2ee8 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/22 08:37 PM |
| 3 | What do you love about being a man?Men have a body with which they can fulfil the male role of surviving, procreating and caring for their offspring. In general, they also have character features to guard and manage precisely that body. But if they don’t feel that way, they must be free to recognise and develop other character traits. I’m fine with that. Only, in modern western society I fear sometimes something else is going on. Roughly three possibilities: 1. Men aren’t allowed to see these traits as positive; 2. Men are not al… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/22 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Can we please talk about the rest of the Left "waking up" to Men's issues??Totally agree. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/22 08:58 AM |
| 12 | What do you love about being a man?Talking for hours with another man about music we like. Being sometimes obsessed about mathematical and logical questions and paradoxes. Having humor together that in the eyes of others might go too far, but knowing exactly where your limits lie. See friends back and know you’re fond of one another without any sentimentality (I know this is rather random as other people would love what I’d call ‘sentimentality’). Being non-smooth in every respect, outside and inside. In a way I even love the str… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/22 07:28 PM |
| 4 | Can we please talk about the rest of the Left "waking up" to Men's issues??The bitter truth is that centre-right and apolitical populists, also women, often show more sympathy for men, without using or needing any theory for it, than leftists. The left as a force with any moral or political strength is in deadly danger. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/22 06:27 PM |
| 8 | Can we please talk about the rest of the Left "waking up" to Men's issues??Almost all dangerous male rightists may be male losers. But only a small fraction of male losers are dangerous rightists, just like all crocodiles are vertebrates but not vice versa. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/22 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Male advocacy TwitterDo you think there has been no research about that, that I had to do that all myself? Read this excellent book and we’ll speak again. https://www.amazon.com/Whos-Afraid-Charles-Darwin-Evolutionary/dp/074254351X And your second point is incomprehensible. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/22 08:25 PM |
| 12 | Can we please talk about the rest of the Left "waking up" to Men's issues??Every few years something happens that looks like progress, but if it really was, we should have noticed it a lot more. HuffPost had a favourable review of the Red Pill film. Laci Green tried to start debates between MRA’s and feminists. The Guardian had an article about ‘what the left has got wrong about Jordan Peterson’. The NYT had a big article about the Intellectual Dark Web, when that still seemed to become really something. In the Netherlands: Vrij Nederland interviewed Christina Hoff Som… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/22 08:12 PM |
| -1 | Male advocacy TwitterIt isn’t. Some qualities are found more among men than among women and vice versa. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/22 08:20 PM |
| 2 | I personally feel like the conversation around men's issues is stuck in a grooveIntersectional feminism will never accept the fact that men are not privileged, they will always see the war against (cishet white) patriarchy as their aim in society. All they will be willing to do is change details in their strategy; they might even support f ex intactivism and acknowledge men can be victimised by women sometimes. But they will explain the latter with: ‘men are ashamed to admit their weakness and therefore let it happen’. While doing damage control all the time, they will deny… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/22 08:16 PM |
| 18 | What do you guys think of this? It's an email from my college.My impression was the other way round… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/22 07:53 PM |
| 1 | How should gender roles and laws be in the modern age, in your opinion? What does the ideal relationship look like to you?The recognition of average natural differences between men and women, combined with the freedom for everyone not to conform to those averages, should be crucial. Before that is recognised we can’t even make a beginning of imagining how it should be. But for many people this statement is too difficult. They (including male advocates) think you force people into ‘gender roles’ when you recognise those differences. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/22 06:38 PM |
| 14 | There is no ‘war on men’ – we now know feminism is good for boys (Article)Why is this interesting? This article, in different words, appears about twice a year, also in Dutch papers, magazines and online media. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/22 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenIf he were a paedophile it is highly unlikely he would have gone to court afterwards himself. Anyway, what I’m (and the article is) defending is the principle of being innocent until proven guilty, and attacking the vilification of any man showing any affection towards children. I really don’t know why you keep going on on this 2 months old post. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/22 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenI wasn’t there, so what exactly is your question? There’s a lot of information in my introduction and the comments. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/22 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenThat he didn’t do anything indecent. If you asked a bit earlier… I can’t find the whole article back after two months either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/22 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewThe tragedy is that she stopped more or less with politics, being exhausted because of rejection by both left and right. Her brother-in-arms James Lindsay became so disgusted with the intersectional left that he started a rather right-wing website ‘New Discourses’. Areo, on the other hand, lately becomes dangerously close to some kind of ‘nuanced woke’. Trying to be a reasonable kind of left-wing these days is very, very hard. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 09:00 PM |
| 1 | "Men's Day is Every Day"https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewhttps://areomagazine.com/2017/10/17/androphobia-and-how-to-address-it/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewhttps://areomagazine.com/2017/12/09/garrison-keillor-the-dark-side-of-metoo/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 05:40 PM |
| 2 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewI find now that even the articles I know are very hard to find on Google, and pro-Me Too articles show up when I look for them. Which says more about Google than about the facts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewhttps://www.spiked-online.com/2017/12/18/meet-the-women-worried-about-metoo/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 05:28 PM |
| 3 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewThere’re been quite some accusations about awkward touching, proposals that simply could have been answered with ‘no’, regretted sex after which men were accused of ‘abusing their power’. MeToo was essentially the climax of male-sex-negative feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewVery good, it’s one big group of related issues. You can also add that feminists want total equality, while many women want a man with a higher status, or at least not lower, than themselves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/22 08:27 AM |
| 16 | "Despite Men’s Rights claims, Colleges expel few sexual misconduct offenders while survivors suffer"Who never had bad sex, wondering afterwards: ffs, why did I do that? But the women admitting that were counted as victims of sexual violence, even when they themselves didn’t think about it that way at all. | /r/MensRights | 17/11/22 06:15 PM |
| 16 | Many of the biggest feminist organizations in USA and other countries have written an open letter to support Amber heard despite the availability of incriminating evidence( videos) where Heard admitted to hitting Depp.They threw Erin Pizzey, about the first person on earth who really committed her life to helping battered women, out of the movement because she didn’t buy the feminist narrative. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/22 06:11 PM |
| 4 | Many of the biggest feminist organizations in USA and other countries have written an open letter to support Amber heard despite the availability of incriminating evidence( videos) where Heard admitted to hitting Depp.They don’t even bother about a fallacy of reason or legitimacy anymore. I know Dutch feminists who were sincere enough to admit Heard was doubtlessly in the wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/22 06:08 PM |
| 5 | Requesting questions for Warren Farrell interviewWhat do you think about the MeToo crisis and shaming men for their sexuality? And related to that: do you think there is any solution at all for the difference in selectivity of men and women when it comes to choosing sexual and/or romantic partners? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/22 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Is it better to reject the labels, or reclaim them?Don’t confuse (negative) stereotypes with real differences between men and women. Reclaim being a man, admit that it comes with advantages and disadvantages, fight against stereotypes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/22 09:29 PM |
| 2 | Equality without androgyny - There are some differences between men and women, and that's OKI recommended this book by a Belgian woman before and I recommend it again. Strongly. It doesn’t leave a single doubt that average differences between men and women are real. https://www.amazon.com/Whos-Afraid-Charles-Darwin-Evolutionary/dp/074254351X | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/22 09:25 PM |
| 3 | Equality without androgyny - There are some differences between men and women, and that's OKScience should be recognised unconditionally, even if it may lead to the wrong conclusions with some people. Also, I think men can never reach a satisfactory life without recognising what makes them on average different from women, for better or worse. Especially when it comes to looking for a partner, for a night or for life, it’s no use and even harmful to suppose men and women are essentially the same and everything will be fine as soon as they shake off ‘societal expectations’. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/22 09:22 PM |
| 8 | Top AskFeminists post: "zero pity for men for not having sex"The statement: ‘A lot of people are lonely in our capitalist, technological, urban society’ will be embraced by many left-wing people. If you specify this with: ‘This goes for men as much as for women’ or ‘Having no partner and/or love life is often one of the symptoms of loneliness’, they will be less enthusiastic but can’t deny it. But as soon as you combine those last two specifications: ‘For many men, being partnerless and unloved is a big problem’ all of a sudden you’re a Trumpian Alt-right… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/22 07:54 PM |
| 3 | Glasgow set to become the UK's first 'feminist city'Frankly sounds like architects who try to cash in on fashionable slogans with nonsensical, void ideas… | /r/MensRights | 09/11/22 06:00 PM |
| 5 | "There is no ‘war on men’ – we now know feminism is good for boys" | Opinion by FeministIt is hardly an opinion, it is a Pavlovian feminist fact-free cliche repeated every few months in different places, ‘patriarchy hurts men too’ but more complex formulated. | /r/MensRights | 09/11/22 01:47 PM |
| 2 | When Are The Men With Peter Pan Syndrome Going To Grow Up?There are probably loads of good men dying to find a good partner for life. The ones who don’t are probably sexy, attractive studs, at least at the age they are now, and feel like they don’t need a partner like that. Did it ever occur to this woman it is herself who is the selective one? | /r/MensRights | 09/11/22 10:38 AM |
| 5 | Perhaps the only man talking about sex-positivity on YouTube from a heterosexual male perspectiveWhat makes it really special? Heterosexual women, also (third-wave) feminists love sexy, successful heterosexual men. That is only nice for the men who don’t need any recommendation anyway. Is there any talk about the problems of men being considered unattractive and shamed for still daring to approach women? (Which some other YouTubers do adress). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/22 03:38 PM |
| 16 | Feminist SuppressionIn the film itself are also several scenes of feminists protesting men’s rights meetings. One with the idiotic slogan: ‘Sexist, racist, anti-gay, MRA, go away!’ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/22 03:28 PM |
| 7 | Feminist SuppressionThis infamous occasion with Warren Farrell. Janice Fiamengo, Karen Straughan, even Christina Hoff Sommers experienced similar protests. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YiRasOrIoYQ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/22 03:21 PM |
| 5 | What is a good rebuttal to the ''men create their own oppression and suffering'' narrative?This is a convincing article about ‘why men don’t show emotions’. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201906/the-men-s-mental-health-double-bind | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/22 04:54 PM |
| 1 | If most of women's issues are caused by men with poor mental/emotional health, why is that not a focus of feminism?This has its hazards. Letting feminists start initiatives on male mental health will most probably cause a lot of talk about ‘toxic masculinity’ and ‘patriarchy hurts men too’ and ‘if only men didn’t ridicule eachother for expressing their feelings’. Better keep them out of it. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/22 09:11 PM |
| 4 | Finding validation in positive masculinity as a young transguyI like this sub, but what I hate about it is the not-so-merry-go-round of it. Every few months there’s a debate abound the importance of natural characteristics, and if the debate goes on long enough everyone will agree at the end that they are important. But a few weeks later, somebody will state that masculinity… etc. etc. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/11/22 08:26 AM |
| 5 | Finding validation in positive masculinity as a young transguyThe importance of recognising natural differences is recognising they are not caused by societal pressures and that real or perceived problems between men and women caused by those differences will not be solved by removing those ‘pressures’ because they’re not the main cause of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/22 10:08 PM |
| 8 | Finding validation in positive masculinity as a young transguyStoic, risk-taking, physically strong, sexually less selective, competitive, compared to women more thing- than person-oriented, STEM-oriented… all on average of course, as I said. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/22 09:57 PM |
| 15 | Finding validation in positive masculinity as a young transguyMasculinity consists of the characteristics men on average naturally have more than women. Not vaguer than ‘classical music’, ‘natural landscape’ or ‘modern behaviour’, to name a few totally common expressions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/22 06:08 PM |
| 7 | What are Some Male Stereotypes You Are Tired of Hearing?That I’m privileged. That, when I disagree with women/feminists, I simply ‘don’t know what it’s like to be a woman’ - this from people who haven’t the slightest interest in what it’s like to be a man. That I’m ‘whining’ when I bring forward facts about men’s disadvantages in our society. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/22 05:34 PM |
| 1 | According to the Atlantic, we should unite with, not oppose feminists when trying to fight for men's rights.‘Helping men’ sounds like social work. Nothing against that, but men’s rights are a political issue that must be forwarded by spreading information. Feminists oppose both those rights and spreading the information, which makes them a main opponent, if not the main opponent, of the MRA. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/22 04:49 PM |
| 2 | According to the Atlantic, we should unite with, not oppose feminists when trying to fight for men's rights.It’s the old ‘patriarchy hurts men too’ bs, repeated endlessly, fact-free, by people to lazy and narrow-minded to inform themselves about the MRA, not worthwhile discussing. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/22 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Silence is not agreement.They should be equal for the law. But ‘equal in every way’? What does that even mean? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/22 05:04 PM |
| 4 | Is There A ‘Right To Sex’? | Krystal Kyle & Friends PodcastIf people didn’t naturally very much want sex, humanity would have been an extinct species long ago. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/22 04:59 PM |
| 5 | Is There A ‘Right To Sex’? | Krystal Kyle & Friends PodcastWhat makes you doubt they are related issues? I think it’s so obvious it’s even hard to discuss about, like saying: the average tree doesn’t have green leaves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/22 04:57 PM |
| 11 | Is There A ‘Right To Sex’? | Krystal Kyle & Friends PodcastPlease don’t gaslight me and lots of other men who experience sexless life as a very, very real problem. It’s not up to you to judge or construct theories about that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/22 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Mothers get flowers on Mother's Day. What should fathers get on Father's Day?Cigars | /r/MensRights | 29/10/22 11:00 AM |
| 1 | Hi everyone. We’re about to have a discussion about patriarchy in my college class, and I’d like to know what my best arguments against patriarchy would be, and which arguments would show there are instances which there is bias against men. Thanks!You’re welcome! | /r/MensRights | 28/10/22 05:21 PM |
| 3 | Do you think true change is possible within our lifetimes?May depend on the country you live in. In the Netherlands I do see changes. Not just about feminism but about identity politics in general. Where they used to monopolise discussions and shame and ridicule everyone else, more and more they’re the ones being ridiculed. The msm and big educational institutions are still on their side, but average people aren’t buying it anymore, nor are they afraid to express their own opinions and the intimidation atmosphere is over or has even more or less turned… | /r/MensRights | 28/10/22 05:20 PM |
| 2 | Hi everyone. We’re about to have a discussion about patriarchy in my college class, and I’d like to know what my best arguments against patriarchy would be, and which arguments would show there are instances which there is bias against men. Thanks!https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/2020-update-for-every-100-girls-part-i/ | /r/MensRights | 28/10/22 02:49 PM |
| 1 | Emptiness and loneliness as a manI don’t really recognise this. Maybe when I was younger, but from about 17 on there were always boys or men I could have endless talks with. Maybe more intellectual/alternative circles? Another generation? (I’m 66 and Dutch, and in the ‘70s and ‘80s long, personal talks were quite fashionable.) It didn’t replace the love I needed from women and that was too scarce. But it was there a lot of the time. (There were also women I could have endless talks with, though mostly not more than that.) | /r/MensRights | 23/10/22 12:52 PM |
| 3 | Invitation by Warren FarrellWell, I don’t know what proof you need this is real. About the masculinity thing: I always had the uncomfortable idea that ‘Myth’ was written before any biology or evpsych played a role in the movement, and Warren Farrell was rather optimistic about ‘stepping out of roles’ in it. We talk about 30 years ago! If he hadn’t changed his mind on any important issue in all those years, it would really be strange. (Of course he may do a friend a favour without 100% agreeing with his approach. That’s the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/22 07:56 AM |
| 2 | I just came from r/MensRightsI don’t see this at all. They just are easier in writing ‘women’ where we here are obliged to write ‘some women’ or ‘many women’. There are also people contributing there who keep stating feminism as such is not wrong and who get polite answers. And 60 likes is much less than one percent of the people on that sub. Let’s not become a MensLib light here, nor a Judean Liberation Front. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/22 09:32 AM |
| 18 | Not being in a relationship with women now makes you a terrorist.This profound shift has started with feminism in the 80s and went on steroids in the 2010s. They always made any flirting behaviour look as dirty and evil as possible, and it was men who first wondered how this ‘most natural thing in the world’ could have become so demonised and risky for them. Talking about a chutzpah. | /r/MensRights | 17/10/22 07:01 PM |
| 1 | The European radicalization awareness network recently released an article on how to tackle the incel issue. And it's surprisingly good.In our gynocentric political system and culture, this is as good as you can get and maybe even a bit better. Still, I miss the part that admits something IS wrong in our dating system, both the way the selection works and the ever lower standards for calling any approach of women ‘harassment’. And the rather backward remark about the ‘manosphere’, as if all men’s advocates are one big misogynistic heap, spoils it a bit and shows the low amount of information people have about the subject or are … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/10/22 03:13 PM |
| 5 | Why Don't Men Fix Their Own Issues? Why do they Expect Women to do It?The only way I would expect women fixing men’s issues - and that would be perfectly reasonable - is by no longer ventilating anti-male sexist ideologies and lies (criticising and contradicting them would of course even be better). If that stopped happening, we could perfectly well manage ourselves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/22 05:51 PM |
| 6 | Is the dismissal of misandry for not being "systemic" systemic in itself?It’s like ‘cishet white men don’t know what it’s like to be stereotyped’, a statement that not just contradicts, but destroys itself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/22 05:45 PM |
| 8 | As lefties, how do you guys feel about Paul Elam?I disagreed a few times with his YouTube videos and he always gave rude answers. But in the Red Pill film and outtakes I thought him quite good, and A voice for men often has interesting articles. He’s someone I don’t have a fixed opinion about, like Peterson is in a very different way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/22 02:54 PM |
| 3 | What do you think feminist gets right?That the world is round. This may sound like a lame answer, but I mean: I don’t think feminists got anything specifically right that isn’t common knowledge but for a very small group of either reactionary or desperate idiots. | /r/MensRights | 06/10/22 02:22 PM |
| 1 | Nostalgia for male attention in the streets: internalised sexism or uncontaminated joy?I did my best. I don’t know what ‘traces of creepiness’ are, and if you can avoid them without avoiding the whole debate. But just see. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 06:27 PM |
| 3 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenSome men are no good in Stem at all. Some love working with people, f ex children. Don’t let the misandrist win without even a fight. (And in Stem there’ll become more women because of affirmative action, and you’ll always risk something working together with them.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 08:06 AM |
| 3 | I hate thisThis is not information. It is not thinking. It’s not even personal opinions. It’s the endless repetition of magic formulas. I read this same conversation years and years ago on another social medium, and apparently then the speakers already thought themselves original geniuses. It is impossible and useless to debate with this, because not really anything concrete is meant. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/22 06:53 PM |
| 3 | attack misandry not feminism for strategyYou mean, Men’s Lib and Goodmanproject everywhere, where there is a real MRM now. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/22 03:19 PM |
| 3 | attack misandry not feminism for strategyIt will only result in ‘ooh no we don’t hate men, we just want them to toe our line and give up their toxic masculinity, patriarchy hurts men too blah blah.’ At best it will lead to damage control and feminism with the same despotic power and a better image than now. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/22 03:18 PM |
| 5 | New UK Rape Law Petition. Please sign! This is much better written than the previous poor efforts. Let's try to make this one a success!In the Netherlands there was a new rape law where every form of sex that didn’t include ‘enthusiastic consent’ from the beginning was considered rape. That is a very, very bad law, gender neutral or not. How about the details of this British law? | /r/MensRights | 04/10/22 03:14 PM |
| 7 | Redistribute unpaid work | UN WomenOften the same women that won’t date ‘nice guys’ because they’re not hot enough and ‘nice’ is nothing special, complain about their lazy and dominant husbands and want the law to do something about that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/22 12:40 PM |
| 1 | What is the future of masculinity?Let’s say that I, and I think more people, tend to build up an identity out of positive or positive-neutral aspects of their lives. That is not the same as thinking you’re a good person because of that, let alone it’s the only way to be a good person. I don’t think I can put it clearer. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/22 08:31 PM |
| 2 | What exactly is toxic masculinity?I once read that ‘toxic masculinity’ originally meant the unbalanced and unripe masculinity of boys that grew up without a father and overcompensated without even realising what to overcompensate. But of course feminism took the core out of it and what remained was a vague one-size-fits-all vague term to shame men for everything they might do that women, especially feminists, don’t like. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/22 05:21 PM |
| 27 | Meat, masculinity and bullshitIf you want a sex strike against people who eat meat, have it. A sex strike against men because men on average eat more meat is blatantly misandrist. There are (loads of) female meat-eaters, and there are male vegetarians and vegans. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/22 04:05 PM |
| 1 | What is the future of masculinity?But I’m not talking about good or bad or any quality at all. To me, being born in western culture, the town where I’ve been living in for decades, being a man, my age, being an intellectual are all part of my identity. But that doesn’t make me any better than people who don’t share that identity or don’t feel that way. Even my artistic identity (writer, musician) doesn’t necessarily mean my stories or music are any good. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/22 03:17 PM |
| 3 | What is the future of masculinity?That sounds quite good indeed, at least when you just consider the last few decades or so. But Norway has not many inhabitants and is quite a distance away even from Western Europe. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 07:59 PM |
| 2 | What is the future of masculinity?To you really think it’s better now than a few generations ago? Women have got more rights, sometimes outright artificial like affirmative action in jobs and education; average nature of men and women hasn’t changed much; in practice when there’s an issue between men and women, society and laws virtually always will take the women’s side. This has become worse and if it won’t become still worse, that will only be because it gets to obvious. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 07:20 PM |
| 2 | What is the future of masculinity?Positive masculinity is not a concept to answer to feminists. It is necessary for men who feel themselves masculine. I even fear a lot of men rather not feel themselves masculine because the idea of positive masculinity never occurred to them. If it did, feeling masculine might very well be their normal state of being. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 07:15 PM |
| 2 | As a 20 year old guy, I want to improve interpersonal relationships and dialogues with other men, how can I go on about this?Think about this: ‘Girls are always sweet to eachother. Men are always rude to eachother. Neither really mean it.’ | /r/MenSupportMen | 28/09/22 06:43 PM |
| 4 | What is the future of masculinity?Men handle their emotions differently. Yes, partly simply because expressions of great fear or grief by men will cause much less empathy than by women. But I don’t think that is the only cause. Besides, I think not just ‘society’ is to blame for the difference in empathy. In a primordial state, women and children did need protection and we’re still partly hard-wired to that. Also, typically when I mention biological differences that is the first thing you associate it with. When feminists talk a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 06:32 PM |
| 2 | What is the future of masculinity?In short you’re denying biological (average) differences in skills and preferences? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 06:12 PM |
| 2 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenIf you think children are idiots, don’t go into teaching anyway, even if there would be no risks at all. If, on the other hand, you like children, by avoiding teaching you let the anti-male bigots win without a fight. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 05:06 PM |
| 3 | What is the future of masculinity?What it will mean to be a man is not just dependent on society. Biological features will play a role. Strong points of the average man will for ages still be physical strength, stoicism, risk-taking, benevolent or less benevolent competitiveness, mathematical thinking. Those points will also be attractive for most women, plus height and a good career. But not all those points will be helpful for a good career. Also: most men will desire a female partner and closeness to female, feminine bodies. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/22 04:55 PM |
| 1 | What would you do if you discovered you were dating a Feminist?Five years ago I had a sex relationship with a feminist. It was 90% sex and 10% taking a break and talk a bit. Not much about politics. It was always at her home so there was no bill to split, she wasn’t very fanatical and it was alright, quite fun actually. It didn’t even end at a precise time, after some wild evenings our desires just dwindled and when we realised it was over, it actually already had been over for some time. We still exchange jokes on Facebook. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/22 09:33 AM |
| 13 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenThis post is not just about false accusations. I wonder if a boy would have felt uncomfortable if a woman touched him or approached him sympathetically this way, and if he’d thought it reason for accusation even then. That’s what the fb discussion also largely was about: how do we validate adults having a warm relationship with (our) children, do we tend to suspect them and are women more accepted than men when it comes to this. (I’ve seen the double standards personally in a school where I did … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 08:18 PM |
| 21 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenEngland and Netherlands are very feminist. I wouldn’t have expected this conversation this way 2 or 3 years ago. Only lately people’s believes begin to crumble, partly for other reasons I think. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 08:11 PM |
| 7 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenOr something inbetween. Maybe she was doubting about if it was a big deal at all, and parents or friends insisted that as a ‘power girl’ she shouldn’t be allowed to let anything happen that in the least could be interpreted as uncomfortable, no matter how futile, doubtful or even harmless. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 06:35 PM |
| 1 | The Meaning of Harvey Weinstein - The American ConservativeTalking about BLM, there are fearsome similarities. The proven things Weinstein did were nasty but not illegal and vice versa. What Chauvin did would in the Netherlands have been called ‘excessive violence causing death’, but by no means murder. He would have got some months or maybe a year or two for that, and rightly so. But the justice system was forced to give him a much longer sentence, if only for fear of even bigger and more dangerous riots. He was sacrificed in a way that had nothing to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 05:15 PM |
| 4 | The Meaning of Harvey Weinstein - The American ConservativeShe also always follows her own thinking and accepts no double standards. When an adult man complaints he was ‘manipulated for years’ by an older woman, she just the same points out it may not have been pleasant behaviour, but he should have taken his responsibility and had total freedom to break all bonds with her. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 04:58 PM |
| 41 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenYes, I read that too. At least it didn’t have the undertone of anything sexual, but it was crazy enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 04:54 PM |
| 7 | The Meaning of Harvey Weinstein - The American ConservativeJanice Fiamengo as far as I know was the only one who from the beginning rejected all proof of guilt, just as with the Brock Turner and Kavanaugh cases, that at a closer look seemed more examples of messy sexual activities than real assault. In all those cases it was dangerous, even in non-feminist circles, to stick to the proven facts, and in all those cases Janice Fiamengo, as always, did just that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 04:50 PM |
| 6 | The Meaning of Harvey Weinstein - The American ConservativeAmerican Conservative is a bona fide paper with quite good journalism, even being conservative. Nobody should just read only things from his own political denomination. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 04:36 PM |
| 28 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenYou’re right. It’s progress, and seeing how the atmosphere was the last five years, quite some progress. But it isn’t victory yet. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 04:31 PM |
| 13 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenApparently it wasn’t a real steady job or they probably couldn’t even have done it. But people are so paranoid nowadays about men doing ‘wrong’ things with children and young people. That’s why reading all those comments defending the man were so great. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 03:59 PM |
| 15 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenI hope the same, I hope at the end of the day nobody will be punished. But in the discussion, women came with horrible examples about girls trying to lure a teacher into some nasty situation but it boomeranged because he was gay. So alas, we’re never sure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 03:55 PM |
| 23 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenYes, she said he touched her on places he shouldn’t (either she or the article is vague about it) and also called her his special friend and things like that. Thing is: nothing is proven and he was fired without any form of due process. He may have done things that made her uncomfortable, but that may also have been just HER feelings. Her accusations may also have been totally false, or totally true. But as the man now wants a juridical process himself with all the risks involved, the latter is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 03:51 PM |
| 31 | Man (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenYes, I think loads of men lost their jobs that way and it has been hell for them, especially if they loved this work. But at least it seems no longer conventional wisdom to automatically not trust men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Men (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenI copied and reposted, I think the discussion on fb is the most important part anyway and I’m too much of a digibete for that archiving stuff. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Men (25) fired for accusations by girl (12) - but gets lots of support online by men and womenThank you, I’ll correct the spelling in the headline. I’ll don’t know how to archive but I’ll delete the AD link and just keep the link to the fb discussion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/22 02:49 PM |
| 2 | Men suffering from domestics violence it really be like this. (Mods locked the post after 3 hours to stop the discourse of people talking about it censoring it)Good point. I’m just Blauwpetje. When I was in a political party, I could get a bicycle bell with the logo, but I refused because I felt the party was not my identity. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/22 07:03 AM |
| 2 | Men suffering from domestics violence it really be like this. (Mods locked the post after 3 hours to stop the discourse of people talking about it censoring it)Call yourself an egalitarian. You can champion men’s rights, and women’s rights as far as still necessary and not futile, and you don’t have to identify as a member of any group - except possibly a group that’s bound to have the future - if there is a future. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/22 10:56 AM |
| 11 | Norah Vincent diedYeah, they always talk about men can have a hard time, but never suggest women as a group or, god forbid, feminism can play a role in that. (Lately I’ve been scrolling Men’s Lib and it’s terribly interesting lecture. They have loads of compassion for men, maybe more than we have. Sometimes their points are even heart-warming. But at the end of the day the conclusion is always that men have been led astray by the Trumpian rightist ‘manosphere’ and we should (other than some aggressive feminist) w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/22 10:31 AM |
| 1 | Why are women so often highlighted in addition to children (e.g. in reports)?In a primordial state, protecting women and children is the way to make sure your group will survive and flourish; women because you need them for offspring while just a few men will be enough for that. Children because they can’t defend themselves. Our society is totally different, but our genetic programming is largely the same. I don’t think it is the result of any misandrist scheme. I do think society should be aware of this and promote a more egalitarian view (for adults, that is). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/22 09:07 AM |
| 2 | When bringing up men's issues, how would you respond to a feminist who claims "patriarchy hurts men too"?😂😂😂 | /r/MensRights | 24/09/22 08:24 AM |
| 2 | When bringing up men's issues, how would you respond to a feminist who claims "patriarchy hurts men too"?It is called the ‘apex fallacy’. And next to every filthy rich man there are one or more women, living off his millions, not having to do a single thing in their life. So even that shred of truth isn’t actually there. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/22 08:23 AM |
| 1 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?I don’t mourn over that and I’m gonna report several of your reactions right now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 08:48 PM |
| 1 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?Women don’t FALL for the average man the same way. They get to know him and might choose him if he has some special qualities that fit them. It has nothing to do with the weird attraction criminal men have. This is the second time I try to explain this, how many more times do you need? Four? Ten? At least have the decency to read well what I write, for I have better use of my time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 08:36 PM |
| 7 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?Probably men are more often suspected too, so crimes committed by men will be solved more often than crimes committed by women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 06:49 PM |
| 1 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?Let me put it more nuanced. They will not have any sort of fetish for the average softie, like many girls have for violent men. They will not think: wow, he has a good character, I’ll have to have him and lose sleep at night if I can’t. that average man I mentioned has some other special talents or traits that match with hers, she might choose for him, but that’s simply not the same process. And please be so polite not to assume anything personal about me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 06:18 PM |
| 3 | Men’s contact with children - considered feminine or too (creepy) masculine?Why not? This sounds totally silly to me. I sometimes was confronted with prejudices while playing with children, but seldom that bad as you describe; your friend sounds extremely narrow-minded and not as proof at all YOU did anything wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 05:08 PM |
| 1 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?Marc Dutroux, who murdered many young girls and made violent porn about it, had a 19-year old lover when being in prison for two months. True, she must have been quite crazy, but why are girls never crazy enough to fall for an average softie? Another example: Hans van Z., a Dutch serial murder in the ‘60s who got TBS (some kind of medical imprisonment) married his nurse. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 04:39 PM |
| 31 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?A curious fact is that a woman at the bottom of society can always become a prostitute, while men in the same position seldom have that choice and can only opt for crime (got this example from a liberal feminist writing in Areo). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 04:33 PM |
| 8 | What are the general rebuttals to "Men Commit the Vast Majority of Crime!" talking point?Men and women are different. Men are braver, more risk-taking, but also more violent. Trying to deny that won’t help us. But like some people already noticed, that’s also the way many women want them to be. Maybe not consciously and you cannot total control your erotic preferences, but nevertheless. But at the end of the day: you can’t judge a whole sex (or whatever non-chosen group) by things that part of the group does. If the majority of violent people are men, it doesn’t mean the majority of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 04:31 PM |
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