I'm not saying that this is a "miracle cure" for red pill ideology. What I've tried to do is think of a way that gives someone a snapshot of what beliefs that they hold and how close these are to manosphere thinking.
One thing I want to happen, is that my idea could help find the underlying seeds, that made red pill BS sound slightly realistic.
This might sound like a super odd question, but I hope that a good faith answer can give you some insight about what kind of ideas that you have around society, gender roles, masculinity/femininity, etc.
THE QUESTION:
Imagine a much less toxic society than today. Whatever ailments that caused the existence of the manosphere in the first place, isn't present.
What percentage of men, in this ideal society, will never find a romantic/sexual partner - despite them actively looking for one?
Why do you believe that's the answer?
The number you give is pretty telling, but I think that the Why answer is where all the red meat is at.
What do you guys think, do you think that this might help you out? The question might need to be reformulated, perhaps?
I hope that this is something that you can ask yourself multiple times, over a longer span of time, to see if your answer changes and how it has done so.
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I think you're trying to be too clever by half. You want to ask an extremely broad question with 1000s of possible interpretations, and then boil their response down to a single axis: "alignment with red-pill" How you interpret someones answer to these questions is going to tell you more about yourself, and your own beliefs, than it does about the person who answered.
Here, I'll give a hypothetical answer to the OP question for you to analyze:
- What %: 17% of men would remain single despite their best efforts.
- Why: Because 10% of men are self destructive and their best efforts go backwards, and 5% of men live in places where there are too many men & not enough women, and 2% fudge factor because.. im.. pilled..?
I can't imagine any answer anyone could give you on this that would be particularly useful for what you're actually trying to find out.
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It's an oxymoron,
"in this ideal society" kinda implies that most people get what they want right?
So you're really asking a different philosophical question that's unrelated to men/women/redpill:
"In an ideal society, what percentage of people will never get what they want? Why?"
As far as I can tell, you'll get a range of answers of the form:
- in an ideal society everyone gets what they want, that's what makes it ideal
OR
- in an ideal society a good portion of people don't get what they want, my ideal society includes a lot of unhappy people
And neither answer is meaningful about anything much...
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I think the percentage is throwing it off too. It's not really meaningful, it's gonna tell you more about their ability to do sociological research and reason from there.
Why not just ask about redpill concepts with a 0-7 strongly disagree to strongly agree?
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