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I made a sub for MGTOW! It’s r/OurOwnWay for both genders.

GrinningPizza

November 2, 2021

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Title	I made a sub for MGTOW! It’s r/OurOwnWay for both genders.
Author	GrinningPizza
Upvotes	9
Comments	28
Date	November 2, 2021 10:21 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/qlfu5a/i_made_a_sub_for_mgtow_its_rourownway_for_both/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/i-made-a-sub-for-mgtow-its-rourownway-for-both.1080338 https://theredarchive.com/post/1080338

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[–]dbsoooz 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Insidious-Sid 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

[–]sinfulcucumber -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

[–]Right_Pepe 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]sinfulcucumber 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Insidious-Sid 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]sinfulcucumber -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

[–]Insidious-Sid 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The entire content of MGTOW was hatred towards women.

MGTOW didn't go anywhere. It's alive, well and growing.

calling women narcissistic, toxic, cheating whores and encouraging men to not get married and to also go their own way.

Women's behavior speaks for itself. Some men just wake up and can look at women objectively rather than these benevolent emotional creatures. Women are ultimately human, and humans can be very very shitty. And we now know women are not less shitty than men. They're just shitty in different ways.

As for marriage, it's an antiquated institution rife with risk for men. All of the accountability of the old system with "progressive new women" for whom vows are just words in a church. A really bad idea for men - I really could care less if neither of my sons get married. I certainly won't push them in that direction. And sure as hell they will be schooled in what "female partners" represent the greatest risk. That's what relationships for men have come down to these days: risk management and damage control. Women scoff at this, but we can just chalk that up to female privilege.

You’re a man going your own way yet you spend your time making posts about women?

I read a lot of things online and post about a lot of things. But I'm passionate about encouraging men to do an objective cost-benefit analysis before "committing" to a woman (making a contract with her and the state that grossly favors her in all ways if it goes sideways.

Bachelors still have sex with women lol.

Some do some don't. Is there a rule? Is being celibate a crime? Don't we applaud spinsters who are celibate and going THEIR own way?

By the way. You're on an anti-feminist site shitting on men. Are you going YOUR own way?

[–]Laetitian 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Women's behavior speaks for itself. Some men just wake up and can look at women objectively rather than these benevolent emotional creatures. Women are ultimately human, and humans can be very very shitty. And we now know women are not less shitty than men. They're just shitty in different ways.

As for marriage, it's an antiquated institution rife with risk for men. All of the accountability of the old system with "progressive new women" for whom vows are just words in a church. A really bad idea for men - I really could care less if neither of my sons get married. I certainly won't push them in that direction. And sure as hell they will be schooled in what "female partners" represent the greatest risk. That's what relationships for men have come down to these days: risk management and damage control. Women scoff at this, but we can just chalk that up to female privilege.

This is where your disconnect is. You say women are ultimately human and therefore can be very shitty, but your conclusion is to spend your days spouting hate about the entire half of the population. Hilariously, your behaviour is reminiscent of feminists and race equality activists on Twitter, which you likely "scoff at" constantly.

You don't seem to understand the possibility of ideal and practice existing in the same space. You can simultaneously aspire to healthy relationships where you recognise and honour individual personality traits of your partner while also accepting that some people sometimes lapse to bad stereotypes of their own groups. You can appreciate the positive traits of women's aptitude at considering emotional needs and simultaneously recognise that not all women possess those traits, and some appeal to them too much. You can live in a world of real connections while some people around you just play games to get their dicks wet. If you choose to get angry at the world for its faults instead, the only end result is one less happy person.

[–]Insidious-Sid 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Laetitian 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The question isn't whether you "can" use your own resources, it's why you would deny yourself connections just to make a point. You can be self-sufficient, and still enjoy being there for others and being deeply understood by others as a crucial part of the human experience.

Not to mention the issue of other people who do require others to care for them, which you willfully leave out, because you know full well that you wouldn't leave the helpless of the world out to die, if there wasn't already a social security net in place to do the dirty work for you.

Men just want women to leave them alone.

The more compulsively you repeat that mantra, the more obvious you make it that deep down, you're fully aware of how harmoniously symbiotic the female influence on masculinity can play out, and how desperately you wish you wouldn't pointlessly force yourself into solitude.

further scrutinise all male behaviour down to the microaggression.

Yeah, some feminists do that. Out of the same drive that causes you to simplify all female behaviour into one single problem. But many of them also don't, and many times when microaggression is called, it's genuinely problematic behaviour that keeps our culture stagnant in a system that doesn't make sense in a society where food and shelter can be afforded for everyone, and we don't need men to defend the tribe from intruders anymore.

"That's why we giggle our asses off when women want to be paid for their 'emotional labour'."

If a house wife wants a salary for listening to her husband, I'll chuckle with you. That sounds like an awful way to organise an economy, and a terrible way to charge for something that should be given out of love. But emotional labour is still valuable.

[–]Insidious-Sid 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The question isn't whether you "can" use your own resources, it's why you would deny yourself connections just to make a point.

I'm not just making a point. I have "manageable" (although challenging) relationships with immediate family, and good relationships with my kids. But, I have very few friends and absolutely zero interest in some "significant other".

You can be self-sufficient, and still enjoy being there for others and being deeply understood by others as a crucial part of the human experience.

I can be anything I want to be. Socialist/feminist utopias make me extremely nervous. To me they come across as some dictatorship that I would (for some idiotic reason) sign up for. They say "here's a long list of extra rules for your behavior and here's a list of resources we need. So if you'll be a silent supporter and shut the fuck up and get your wallet out, we'll not be thankful but take you off of our Public Enemy list..." LOL. Not interested, thanks. I'm not paying for the sins of others, I'm not a "Billionaire Patriarch" and I'm not going to subjugate myself to those who have some use for me, political or otherwise. First they say "Stay away from women, don't approach them, leave them alone" but in the same breath say I must use my unearned white male privilege to "jump right in and protect women when they need your help and police the behavior of other men." Again, no. If you're going to make rules like that, I'm not playing your game.

I have a better idea. I'll leave women alone and let women figure their shit out somewhere else. Don't need no man, remember? Got it? Great.

Not to mention the issue of other people who do require others to care for them, which you willfully leave out, because you know full well that you wouldn't leave the helpless of the world out to die, if there wasn't already a social security net in place to do the dirty work for you.

I consider it an honor to care for my aging parents, not a burden. But what you do for yours is your business. My parents saved money so we would be able to use that money to care for them. They knew the "social security" lie was bullshit.

The more compulsively you repeat that mantra, the more obvious you make it that deep down, you're fully aware of how harmoniously symbiotic the female influence on masculinity can play out, and how desperately you wish you wouldn't pointlessly force yourself into solitude.

I find the female energy listless and restless. At best, it can "help stir the soup" but at worst it's downright toxic. Every time I got into a relationship I would find myself thinking I needed to change drastically to be "compatible" for a relationship. The process left me feeling both exhausted and frustrated. An now, having an almost non-existent libido and pretty much zero need for physical intimacy, I now see an intimate relationship as a hard "NO". Way too much work, time, money and energy for way too little reward.

Yeah, some feminists do that. Out of the same drive that causes you to simplify all female behaviour into one single problem. But many of them also don't, and many times when microaggression is called, it's genuinely problematic behaviour that keeps our culture stagnant in a system that doesn't make sense in a society where food and shelter can be afforded for everyone, and we don't need men to defend the tribe from intruders anymore.

Individual men are no longer needed because women have big daddy government now - as de-facto provider and protector. Another good reason to question one's personal involvement with women and the need for "age old" social norms. In MGTOW realms, the breaking of these social contracts meant women walked away from their social obligations of the past. All men are doing now is suggesting that we too are able to walk away from ours. This, of course, elicits all forms of age-old social policing to get men back in line. In fact, the sheer amount of venom and derision my desire to socially disengage elicits almost validates my choice on it's own.

If a house wife wants a salary for listening to her husband, I'll chuckle with you. That sounds like an awful way to organise an economy, and a terrible way to charge for something that should be given out of love. But emotional labour is still valuable.

Feminists are ultimately socialists, and some are bold-faced Marxists. Feminist want to get paid for having periods, doing their own housework and breathing. Let's continue to watch, with popcorn, how ridiculous their claims are. Basically, they want living wages (a nice comfortable life) without doing any real hard work or taking any risks. "Topple capitalism" lmao. Capitalism generously feeds these ultimately useless people. They work as baristas and have $1000 smart phones and a roof over their heads. Don't see too many feminists blogging from a woman's shelter or cardboard tent in a back alley somewhere.

Bottom line is that if women want to exclaim that "Men are no longer necessary" but then bitch and moan when mean are not "manning up", this is a problem women created for themselves and must figure out for themselves.

As for men - men like me, well, we're happy you don't need us anymore and we're happy to walk away from the plantation. We will worry about our needs being met, and besides, those who attack us on that front we don't believe genuinely care about our needs anyways. It's just more shaming language. In fact, it's kind of arrogant:

"We don't need you, but you really need us..."

Is that so?

Got divorced 8 years ago, went MGTOW, never going back.

If either of my sons never gets married, then bonus. But sure as hell they'll be taught what the risks are and what people will say if their marriage goes sideways. I'll show them the posts. "You chose wrong." and "You exploited her because she earned less. Power imbalance! You deserved to be divorce raped."

I find it hilarious that college educated women are having a hard time finding men with superior educations and incomes. It's going to be an interesting time for younger women today. Myself, I'm investing in cat food companies and boxed wine distributors.

Booming industries, a few wise investors have said...

[–]Laetitian 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link