What do you guys think of he’s arguments against the MRA movement? i think he should talk to more MRAs

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-05-01T02:34:53+00:00

Basically he thinks being anti feminist means being misogynistic.

Just the normal Motte and Bailey evasion logic.

Punder_man · 2022-05-01T06:57:36+00:00

Strap in boys.. this is going to be a fun one..
First watch as I swap the genders in his first rant about using 'Misogynist' to describe the MRA:

"When you look at the overall character of the feminism movement when you look at how feminist activists conduct themselves and the sorts of things they say in comments of videos like mine, in their subreddit, in their blogs etc.
I do not think it is inaccurate or unfair at all to describe this movement as misandrist an anti-men. not just pro-women but anti-man."

He then goes on to make a false equivalency fallacy by claiming that men compare the humiliation that men can feel from being fired or unemployed with the humiliation and pain women feel when they are raped and claiming "This is a misogynistic viewpoint"

This guy can fuck right off! That's a nice strawman of the MRA he's constructed here..
But given how men can be FIRED and end up UNEMPLOYABLE from a false rape accusation I would say that yes, the humiliation IS equal in that respect.

Also his point of view discounts the idea that YES men can be raped too and when men come forward they ARE NOT BELIEVED AT ALL because "Women are the real victims"

And then at 5 minutes he goes on about how men who defect from the MRA and how they are treated "Displays a lot of very obvious misogyny" Never mind the fact that women who don't toe the line and swallow the dogma of Feminism are called "Pick Me's" or "Traitors"..

I'm only 5:22 / 28:49 and I don't think I can go any further into this video while completely sober..

TL;DR: This guy constructs a very flimsy strawman of the MRA and then proceeds to knock it down and claim that he is morally superior to said strawman.

0.3/10 would not recommend.

63daddy · 2022-05-01T02:10:02+00:00

He’s basically spewing feminist rhetoric. A man saying such garbage doesn’t make it any more worth listening to.

Wanting equal rights for men isn’t misogynist. He’s just wrong about that. Wanting equal rights for men may be inherently anti-feminist, but that doesn’t make it anti-female or misogynistic. He also clearly refuses to acknowledge the many policies which blatantly discriminate against men. I stopped listening to him after that point. Listening to the same old anti-MRM rhetoric yet again serves no useful purpose in my opinion.

xTheVyrusx · 2022-05-01T04:56:24+00:00

This guy is worse than YouTube PUAs who attempt to make money off desperate men. A man regurgitating feminist lore won’t change anything that is simply based on MTOW extremists which shouldn’t be painted with the same brush as MRAs. I think I can speak for most men in this sub when I say we don’t hate women with a blood boiling passion. There’s plenty of info out there that will show anyone with common sense men are treated differently than women. All of us can’t move forward as a society if one side is heavily favored over the other. That can be debated either way depending on who you talk to though so it’s a dog chasing it’s tail. The common goal is true equality, extreme feminists and extreme MGOTWs need to step up and make that happen.

Superb-Locksmith-228 · 2022-05-01T08:27:17+00:00

This is just low IQ trolling. Why waste time on shit like this? Why even post it? Just ignore.

rahsoft · 2022-05-01T07:54:21+00:00

steve was always shill rather like others such as david futrelle

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BTW - its a video from 2013( and I bet the comments from the feminists have aged well)

not sure if he is still playing this game, judging from the change in his video( I can't be arsed to look through his catalogue of dross)

even now his videos haven't aged well

ignatztempotypo · 2022-05-01T23:29:44+00:00

8 years of living with modern females have passed since he made this crappy clip. I wonder how he feels now.

TextDependent6779 · 2022-05-01T05:38:05+00:00

why does he bother? even his own fans are still against them. one of them is Bitching about the semantics of female vs woman.

EsraYmssik · 2022-05-02T21:34:30+00:00

Steve Shives is a longtime simp.

He apparently also has the habit of pre-emptively blocking people, does not debate in good faith, and is an all-round twat.

He'd never talk to actual MRAs.

To be honest, I'm surprised he's still a thing.

Oh, he's not. This video is from 2013. I think we can safely chuck it in the "fuck it" bucket.

Title	What do you guys think of he’s arguments against the MRA movement? i think he should talk to more MRAs
Author	coolboy_24278
Upvotes	1
Comments	15
Date	May 1, 2022 1:41 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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