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[–]youropinionsaredumb 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit, this is beautiful. Concise, and right on the nose.
[–]Rol9x 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For me it is funny when someone connects my opinions with my sexual life. 🤣
[–]cagey_sloth 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This makes me honestly feel kinda bad for feminists.
[–]Rol9x 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't. They don't deserve it!
[–]cagey_sloth 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point.
[–]c00lz1979 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well it is all modern women have to offer
[–]Rol9x 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
More like mindless women. There are many women who have a lot more to offer but they are not stuck in a toxic ideology like feminism.
[–]NickpaskGR 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists*
[–]c00lz1979 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well yer pretty much getting harder ta find thos ones tho
[+]dirtyoldsocklife -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Never once has this happened to me.
Maybe it's you?
Maybe....
[–]NohoTwoPointOh 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal comes to mind.
Since Reddit is filled with cries of “incel” upon losing arguments, perhaps the analogy fits.
[–]LastShake 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I hope she sees this bro.
[+]dirtyoldsocklife -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Who, my wife?
God I hope not....
If she new I was conversing with you basement dwelling twerps she'd probably leave.
[–]Wingflier[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
If it's never happened to you, it's because you've never gotten into a disagreement with Feminists. It's pretty much the first tactic they resort to when they begin losing an argument.
[+]dirtyoldsocklife 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Oh I've had plenty of arguments with feminists,(probably not like most here have since I'm not terrified/highly threatened by women) and I've never once been called and incel.
So again I propose, maybe it's you.
[–]Wingflier[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You don't seem like the kind of person that would have anything they disagree about with Feminists, so I don't believe you have gotten into plenty of arguments with them. A person on the internet can say anything they want, doesn't make it true. And the whole, "Men are threatened by, terrified of women" argument comes directly from the Feminist playbook and is complete nonsense. Feel free to take your trolling elsewhere.
[+]dirtyoldsocklife 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Well life I said, I'm not like you guys. I'm NOT scared of women. Neither am I scared of feminists.
But I can easily disagree with them on certain points and have gotten into heated arguments on many an occasion.
The diff is that I'm civil and not driven by fear so I usually don't make stupid ass knee jerk statements like women are only valued for their vaginas, just cause I'm worried a woman won't let me touch hers.
Legit, some women and some feminists are fucking nuts! But trying to label them all under that crazy umbrella is like saying all men are rapists.
Lots are, but not all, and it's worth it to listen to those who are not, rather than those who are.
[–]Wingflier[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It may some as a surprise to you, but not all men who disagree with Feminism are terrified or have no success with women. This stereotype is literally no different than saying that every man who disagrees with women is an incel, you're pretty much saying the same thing aren't you? That's why you're not credible.
In my personal case, the reason I disagree so strongly with Feminists about these controversial issues is because of my success with women. The more women I go on dates with, sleep with, and have relationships with, the more I realize how totally bullshit basically everything Feminism preaches is. My generation (Millennial) of women is not oppressed by men, and their suffering is generally a result of their own bad choices. Blaming the entire opposite sex is not the solution and it's not going to help women, and clearly it hasn't.
And yes, I agree there are some more reasonable Feminists than others, just like there are some more reasonable Christians and Muslims than others. Believe it or not, I have friends that are Feminists. That doesn't make the ideology any less silly.
[+]dirtyoldsocklife 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ok, lots to unpack here....
First, I never said everyone who disagrees with women is an incel, just that of you're being called an incel you've probably been acting in a way that makes you seem like no one in their right mind would ever let you near them sexually. You know, like most of you guys here.
Second, the fact that you think that; A. women are no longer victimised by men is both hilarious and horrific, and B. that you think feminism is about blaming men is just stupid. Maybe read a bit, do some learning, and you might just see the bigger picture, past you own issues with women(which are pretty obvious since you tried to force in three different ways of convincing me you have any positive interactions with women at all.)
Finally, I really like that last statement about having "feminist friends" . It's like the closet racist trying to cast dispersion by saying they have "black friends".
[–]Wingflier[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I don't really care whether you believe me.
Your entire argument boils down to: "If Feminists are calling guys incels, you must have done something to deserve it." That's a hilariously stupid and indefensible position and there's no reason to even respond to your stupidity. That would be like telling any woman who gets called a hoe or a slut she must have done something to deserve it. In the Feminist community they call that blaming the victim.
You can go ahead and keep living in your dream world where any guy who has a problem with Feminism and gets called an incel must have done something to deserve it. You're literally to stupid to keep having a conversation with, and a great living example of why nobody takes Feminists seriously. Ta-ta.
[+]dirtyoldsocklife 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Man you're dense.
Not every guy who has a problem with feminists deserves to be called an incel.
But the vast majority of us men have never been called an incel, no matter how heated our arguments with with women have gotten, so once again I propose, maybe it's you.
See that's the problem with places like this sub, they create what's called a philosophical echo chamber. You low brows gather here and share your experiences without ever having to face the fact that you're not the majority. You get this warm fuzzy feeling of thinking that all men feel this way and that it's a universal truth, just cause you refuse to step out side of your safe zone. But it's not. I don't know a single guy who has been called an incel, but then again I don't surround myself with people who would act in a way that would cause them to be called that.
You've guys don't represent Men. You're the version of men that most guys are ashamed exist.
Ta ta
Oh and we both know that it's of vital importance to you that I believe you, that's why you try to emphasise how many ways you've "been with women". Essentially I'm guessing that's the root of your entire complex. You need to be taken seriously, and you don't feel like women do that, so you lash out at them
[–]Wingflier[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, apparently however, it's only the incels who deserve to be called incels...because somehow their behavior dictates that they are an incel, and they thus deserve to be called that by anyone who disagrees with them. Your argument is completely nonsensical.
If you a priori assume that any man who has ever been called an incel by a Feminist must have done something to deserve it, then your argument cannot be defeated, because you've created a logical loop that's immune to criticism.
And you've used this exact same logically fallacious loop on me throughout this argument. My behavior dictates that I deserve to be called an incel and every other man in this subreddit deserves to be called an incel. How do you know that we're incels? Because we're being called incels. Why are we being called incels? Because our behavior dictates that we must be incels.
If you can't see how circular your argument is here, there's really no getting through to you.
But since you have no intention of believing me, let's just assume for the sake of argument that I am successful with women, and I have access to sex whenever I want. Does that make me more credible then? And if so, why?
You're in a lose-lose situation here. If it makes my position on Feminism credible because I'm not an incel, then it simply becomes a matter of convenience for you to call anyone who you disagree with an incel so that they can never be credible. What's your proof they are an incel? Well clearly, because they are acting like an incel. And how do you determine that an anonymous person is an incel? Because you say so.
Of course, it's clear you wouldn't accept any proof that I wasn't an incel, even I sent you pictures or got you into contact with some of the girls I hang out with, so you've created a burden of proof that can't possibly be satisfied. You have no intention of having a good faith discussion here. IRONICALLY you are living proof that Feminists call men incels when they have lost the argument, because they have nothing else to say.
However, it gets even worse:
See, it's clear that this sentence was meant to hurt. You're trying to cause maximum emotional damage to me and everyone else in this community who reads this. But yet, if we're such terrible examples of men to be looked down upon, why spend so much time here having arguments with us. What does that say about you friend?
I think what's actually happening here is projection. It's you who has no success with women and is frustrated with your lack of sexual options. And to try and deal with the shame and disappointment of that, you come here and attempt to scapegoat all of your painful and negative emotions and disappointment in yourself on us. I mean after all, you may barely be a man, but at least you're not as human trash as the men on the anti-feminism subreddit!
Everything you've said here is projection, pure and simple. If you are so uncomfortable with who you are, and so ashamed of your performance and options with women, I suggest you find another way to deal with your conscience than making an ass of yourself online.
I wish you the best of luck sir, try not to embarrass yourself any further.
[–]Ou-tis 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly
[–]totoroloco_phd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
so true lol
[–]Outside-Setting-5589 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...why you interacting with a feminist tho?
[+]definitelynotpat6969 -32 points-31 points-30 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
r/justneckbeardthings
[–]NickpaskGR 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Have you ever been on the internet?
[+]definitelynotpat6969 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You know how many times I've been called an incel?
Zero.
[–]NickpaskGR 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And I have never been called a redneck hillbilly but here we are.
[+]definitelynotpat6969 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's not one I get called either, but I suppose there's a first time for everything!
Also I've lived in the city my entire life you mouth breathing troglodyte.
[–]NickpaskGR 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And I haven't been called an incel as well. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen just because it didn't happen to me. The insult was not necessary.
[+]definitelynotpat6969 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And if you agree with the premise of this meme then I've got new for you, chum...
[+]dirtyoldsocklife -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sub should just be s subdivision of that one.
[+]dirtyoldsocklife -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Or is it because you ARE in fact incels?
[–]Ou-tis 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women judging men by their ability to get sex is an indirect admission that the only value women have lies in the fact that they have a vagina.
Women know well this,but they don't want you to openly discuss it. They weaponize or monetize sex in order to get what they want,it's a tool for them. They also use the threat of not getting sex or the accuse to not getting sex to win argument or discredit men who don't align with the current social norms.
I can't count the time I was called "incel" or "you never touched a woman" but the reality is I don't give a damn about what a stranger find offensive.
Haha!!!
Couldn't have made "their" point better if you tried.
Nice.
[–]omfg-srin -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And if you tell these feminazis that a queer woman first coined the term 'incel', and that the modern-day 'incel subculture' is just as much a byproduct of toxic feminist ideology as it is the byproduct of harmful and toxic masculinity perpetuated by harsh societal demands for male / male-presenting individuals, they'll automatically say you're 'defending' the bullcrap incels are promoting. Whenever dialogue becomes impossible, only extremism flourishes.
Yep, I've definitely seen an uptick recently in extreme Feminism. Radical Feminism in particular, which is anti sex work, anti trans, anti hookup culture, and even speaks out against migrant rape, seems to be rapidly growing in popularity, often at the sheer horror and disgust of more moderate Feminists. I think it will slowly tear itself apart.
[–]omfg-srin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I personally think the opposite. With the current political climate also being very anti-sexual liberation, anti-trans rights, and very misandrist, rather than the radical tearing themselves apart, what would most likely happen is they'll radicalise moderate-leaning feminists or the youth (which is the demographic they're mostly targeting). I just hope I am not gonna be right.
I'm not sure the modern political climate is anti-sexual, anti-trans rights though. Overwhelmingly, mainstream media and social media supports the message of trans rights and sexual empowerment including sex positivity and the promotion of sex work in the form of Onlyfans, Twitch thottery, and whatever else. Look at Reddit.
There are elements of the culture that are against those things, but typically that's the conservative part of the culture, which the Radical Feminists fucking hate with a passion. So are they going to ally with the conservatives just because they share some of the same values? It's extremely unlikely, since the conservatives are also anti-feminist, pro-life, and critical of the whole notion of the patriarchy, privilege theory, and whatever other Feminist buzzword bullshit they constantly spew.
It's unsustainable, I think it tears itself apart. I'm actually really happy that Radical Feminism is gaining popularity and splitting from mainstream Feminism, because it makes the entire movement look bad when there's a massive schism down the middle exposing that they can't agree on anything, except men are bad, of course.
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