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Black Boys & Men Deserve Mental Health Support Too

Heavy_Grand2526

June 18, 2022
83 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://sacobserver.com/2022/06/black-boys-and-men-deserve-mental-health-support-too/
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Title Black Boys & Men Deserve Mental Health Support Too
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Heavy_Grand2526

Upvotes 83
Comments 17
Date June 18, 2022 9:21 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vffnwj/black_boys_men_deserve_mental_health_support_too/
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Comments

[–]bottleblank 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I mean... yes, of course? But why black men and boys in particular? Why not just men? Why not Mexican men, Asian men, white men?

We're all in this shitty situation together, why are we continuously dividing people up into groups who deserve it and groups we're not even going to bother mentioning because who cares about anybody outside of our oppressed minority special interest group?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

As long as white people are being considered walking devils, I'll take this as an inroad for female chauvinist bigots to ease up on men, in faith that it will eventually encompass all other races.

[–]bottleblank 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to agree with you, but I can't, unfortunately.

To me it simply justifies dividing people up into groups and forcing each one to find a set of victim identities justifying their cries for help. We should be working together, for all of our benefits, for a better world.

Men helping men, women helping women, each helping the other. Black, white, same deal. We're all humans, we all experience these difficulties, we should be looking to understand each other as part of the same species, not crab-bucketing our way to special interest groups at the expense of everybody else.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I will accept some positive change over no positive change, any day of the week.

I am more of a pragmatist. You appear to be an idealist.

[–]bottleblank 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not an idealist, in fact I accept that your pragmatic view of benefits this might bring.

But I'm sceptical, I'm too aware of the ways these kinds of things can go wrong, be exploited, ignore the needs of other groups, and be used as a stick to beat people with.

For instance, those who push for better mental health in black people might well end up blaming white people for those problems existing, or for the lack of resources to help resolve it. Boom. Racism. Now white men are even more at risk of being accused of something they haven't done.

[–]Proud-Astronomer-757 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the UK there was a race specific concern for white working class boys who are the lowest performing educational group. That’s race specific.

[–]bottleblank 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but I think part of that is the constant pressure to be more focussed on minorities and girls/women. We seem so determined to be inclusive that we've forgotten that there exists a group which isn't a minority, which isn't considered disadvantaged (but should be), because social politics is hell bent on fixing perceived injustices. That's why I think these group-specific movements are bad, because they get listened to at the expense of others.

If we'd been a little more measured in our desires to help those who perform the worst in school, in employment, in life, perhaps we would've seen that, and begun working on fixing it years ago when those white working class boys started falling behind. The reactionary nature of the way we try to rebalance the dynamics doesn't react quickly, don't analyse, don't refocus to the new disadvantaged group - that's not what the loud voices are telling them to do. It's not a true desire to keep everything a level playing field, it's just blindly following what the big movements are saying we should do.

Feminism said "women need more help", we listened to that as a culture, we helped, and... we continued helping, we still continue helping. We haven't looked at the results and moved on to those left behind by that help and switched to trying to bring them up to the same level. We're just still listening to that loud voice that we've been listening to for years, decades even, without thinking critically about whether that message is still valid, or independently coming to the conclusion that now it's somebody else's turn, which the statistics would readily show if anybody had the inclination to look at them.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well the irony is that they view white people as intrinsically fascist, but engineered hatred for any group of people becomes justification for actual fascism.

It's still primarily white people (oligarchs) who benefit from anti-white hatred dividing the poors.

[–]Proud-Astronomer-757 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They? I doubt it mate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Talking about white women, m8.

[–]arrouk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would rather see black men and boys get a step up than no men and boys.

A step is a step.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe this quote from the article. Men learn early that if you express your emotions you are punished double. It has nothing to do with being manly and everything to do with not being a trouble maker.

Because society enforces the idea that men must neglect their emotional and mental well-being to be considered “manly,” many Black men suffer in silence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's really going on is that women are not attracted to weak or unsuccessful men, but they don't want to say that out loud.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To men, but read TwoX and you'll see that women detest men who show signs of weakness and will use that against you when ever she can.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Many BM problems are caused by misandry and not racism. They won't address it as such because then they have to accept that misandry is real.

[–]Nyota_nyota 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Our problems are a combination of both racism and misandry. The misandry that we experience does overlap with the misandry non-Black men experience (family court for example), but we also face problems that exclusively affect Black men as well.

[–]Proud-Astronomer-757 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree misandry of black mothers is strong. Black fathers are not valued.

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