~ archived since 2018 ~

Exposure: Operation It Could Be Youtree

HolySchmoly

November 2, 2013

7 upvotes

/r/MensRights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xfu5bW0Fh8

Archived from /r/MensRights

r/MensRights is a community advocating for the social and legal equality of men and boys since 2008.

TheRedArchive is an archive of Red Pill subreddits and blogs. This page is our copy of the original post.

/r/MensRights archive

Download the post

Want to save the post for offline use on your device? Choose one of the download options below:

PDF TXT EPUB

Support the archive

Everything here was supposed to disappear. Banned subreddits, deleted communities, cancelled blogs — much of what is archived here survives nowhere else.

It stays free — no paywall, no account — for the next man who comes looking, the way it was free for you.

I pay for the servers, the storage and the bandwidth myself. If you want this record still standing in ten years, become one of the people who keeps it online.

Support the archive

Post Information

Title	Exposure: Operation It Could Be Youtree
Author	HolySchmoly
Upvotes	7
Comments	4
Date	November 2, 2013 11:04 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1przj5/exposure_operation_it_could_be_youtree/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/exposure-operation-it-could-be-youtree.1159762 https://theredarchive.com/post/1159762

Comments

[–]Nogbadd 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

At first I was unsure whether this was homage to British children's TV of the 1970s, or a satire of the abandonment of the presumption of innocence in favour of 'trial by social media'. Then I tumbled that "Great Uncle Bulgaria" is Jimmy Savile, amirite? I support your fundamental proposition, that a witch hunt has displaced what most of us remember as good old-fashioned coppering. Remember Dixon of Dock Green? He would say to the "middle-aged women" that you use as a leitmotif, "you might be right, madam, but how can i make that stand up in a court of law forty years later?"

I note that charges against Jim Davidson appear to have been dropped, but charges against Stuart Hall led to his imprisonment. So we can say that for guilty perpetrators of crimes, it IS obviously right and proper to prosecute the cases IF there is sufficient evidence. But the idea that the ALLEGED perpetrator is demonised in the media (your image of the van with twenty of Fleet Street finest trailing the police van is delicious) in order to flush out additional evidence is simply disingenuous, and I support you 100% in this regard.

We should believe the women who make allegations, AND investigate the allegations, but while they are allegations, I do not support naming people, celebrities or average Joes. The "suspects" are entitled to the presumption of innocence, as their reputations are worth something, and the trial by social media is a throwback to the middle ages, as you rightly suggest. www.cotwa.info shows that people do lie, and that there is no International Rescue to salvage a man's reputation if he is named and shamed in a trial-by-social-media (only to have the case thrown out six month's later.)

We are all holding our breath hoping that Rolf is not guilty; in truth we should trust the police to do their job, but I think most of us now suspect that this has gone on so long that the police are waiting for someone to realise one day "oh, yes, now that I think about it, that guy who abused me on 4th June 1965 at 7:45PM DID have a wobble board! What was the number? Whitehall 1212?"

I should cocoa...

EDIT Here is a more relevant link to COTWA: http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/the-case-for-anonymity-for-men-and-boys.html

[–]HolySchmoly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sorry. Should have explained. Yes. This is a skit on the whole Jimmy Savile media hysteria and the dead Uncle Bulgaria is Jimmy Savile. Also making an appearance is the poor Mr. Bejan from Bristol, now Salford, beaten unconscious and burned alive for the terrible crime of taking photographs of fully clothed youths in public.

I'm not sure where you're getting my "fundamental proposition" from. I didn't make this video. I only wish I had.

On Stuart Hall, we should remember that not all those who plead guilty believe they are guilty. Why? Well, there are all kinds of pressures. You're faced with legal counsel telling you you will almost certainly lose and if you plead guilty you will get a lesser sentence. There is a temptation to, as it were, falsely plead guilty. The claims against Stuart Hall, for whatever reason, have not been tested by trial. That's just a fact. Draw what conclusions you wish.

Some of those found guilty by trial are innocent.

I am not holding my breath that Rolf is not guilty. I don't know the evidence against him. It may be we can never know what allegations are true. I'm holding my breath that the principles of modern legal justice including the Blackstone principle be restored so that we can be assured of our freedom unless we break an unambiguous law.

We should never trust the police to do their job. We should require them to do their job and then watch them like a hawk.

I'm afraid the wobble board reference is lost on me.

[–]Nogbadd 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]HolySchmoly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. It's ridiculous. Childline had not a single call from any of the hundreds of so called victims. What a mystery that is. Ignored. And then after all these years, with pecuniary incentives, they go first to the press not the police, many of them. And how can these cases be fairly tried now? And really how serious are they even if true. All my life destroyed, marriage ruined, because a man touched my bottom. The inconsistencies about dates. Some were already over the age of consent. Dates are then adjusted with the collusion of the media. The collision of the police with the media in making big money. Maybe some of these guys did kiss and fondle under duress. Remind me to get angry. There are greater crimes. One is the societal damage to the rule of law and to justice itself being done by these prosecutions of old men presumed guilty and required to prove their innocence. Impossible.

To me this is all part of the same demonization of male sexuality that brought us rape culture. We have instead victim culture. Who cares who touched your butt dear. Men and women go to work and die on site. Men fall from scaffolding. Nurses from infected needles. Homicides. Car accidents. And that's during peace time. When will we regain our sense of perspective. Is it possible to ask why these things are so life destroying without being called a rape apologist? Isn't it about time?

Of course I love raping people and just want it to become legal. /s

Society forces men to initiate sex then demonizes them for doing so. How is a man to be innocent?

And women collude with this. Here were famous men in their prime thronged by eager girls. Think of One Direction now. Millions of girls dreaming of marrying them hanging on their every word. Where are the men forcing them to do this? Some are only children. I wish none abused. But can none of these young women bear any responsibility for what happened in their distant past? There were plenty of non-famous quiet little guys who would not have dared abuse them they completely ignored. People like having sex. Why can't we have a sensible conversation about this stuff. The word abuse silences all dissent. Crushed it. No nuance is possible. Witches must die at the stake. Rational inquiry must stop dead.

Sorry for going on. But this whole thing looks mediaeval to me.