SA Judge Says Teens Do Not Realise Underage Sex Is A Serious Crime Carrying A Seven-Year Jail Term
A JUDGE has refused to immediately jail a young man for having sex with a 13-year-old girl saying today’s youth do not realise underage sex is a serious crime.
District Court Judge Rosemary Davey says Sasha Pierre Huerta, 21, was not a predator and his teenage victim “was looking for” a sexual encounter.
In transcripts viewed by The Advertiser, Judge Davey says teens living in our “overtly sexualised” world are ignorant of the maximum seven-year jail term for underage sex.
“Regrettably — and I don’t live in an ivory tower — that kind of criminal conduct is happening day in, day out,” she says.
“In fact, if you ask most 17-year-olds or 16-year-olds whether they know (underage sex) was an offence carrying seven years’ imprisonment, they would die with their leg in the air.
“It’s just crazy, in my view, that we maintain this law and we do not pass the message on out into the community.”
Huerta, 21, of Walkerville, pleaded guilty to one count of having sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 14 years.
He admitted that, in February this year, he had sex with the girl, 13, following an all-ages party in the city.
Huerta had met the girl earlier that month at Marble Bar, sparking sexually-explicit Facebook interactions during which she claimed she was 14 years old.
Do you think our children fully understand that underage sex is a serious crime?
In the transcript viewed by The Advertiser, the court was told the girl dressed “like a 23-year-old” and “presented herself as a woman”, attending bars and events she could not lawfully enter.
“This is a girl who was not a girl who was sitting at home just putting Barbie dolls away,” Judge Davey said.
“This is a girl who was out there wanting to party and mix with older people, who put herself out there.”
The transcript records the fact a school class was sitting in the court’s public gallery as sentencing submissions were heard.
Lawyers for Huerta said their client and the girl agreed to have sex — even though she could not lawfully consent, and he was aware of her youth — in his bed at his home.
Judge Davey said she doubted the school class in the gallery understood their burgeoning sexuality could lead to criminal charges.
“I’m not suggesting that it’s not a serious matter for a man, although he is a young man too, to have sexual intercourse with a person underage,” she said.
“I would like to do a straw poll of the young people sitting in court at the moment — I’m not going to — to find out how many of them realise it’s a serious crime to even have touching of the genital area under the age of 17.
“It’s just that I find it extraordinary that there’s never public discussion about (the fact) we have a whole generation of young people having sex ... which is a crime.”
In sentencing, Judge Davey told Huerta it was “a crazy mixed up world we live in”.
“The reason why the law is as it is, is to protect young people from themselves,” she said.
“Whilst the media and the world we live in might encourage young people to think they are in control of their bodies and their sexuality from a very young age, you know ... that with sexual development one does not necessarily have the maturity to make decisions about sexual intercourse at an early age.”
Judge Davey said Huerta’s offending was not predatory and that he was “deeply shocked, upset and contrite” about his actions.
She imposed a two-year jail term, suspended on condition of a two-year good behaviour bond.
“One of the reasons why I suspended the period of imprisonment is because I think it is most unlikely we’ll see you back here again,” she said.
“You have your whole life ahead of you. Be good.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/sa-judge-says-teens-do-not-realise-underage-sex-is-a-serious-crime-carrying-a-sevenyear-jail-term/story-fnii5yv4-1226857025724
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It's sex, not gender.
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Sex = male/female
There are a range if gender roles assigned to the sexes, which varies widely depending upon culture and society. So it makes no sense to say "both genders", because there are more than two.
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The comments here tell me this subreddit is fucking ruined. This is exactly the type of thing we should celebrate: HE WAS TREATED LIKE A PERSON, AND SHE WAS TREATED LIKE A PERSON, WITH ALL THE GOOD AND EVIL THAT COMES WITH IT.
The goal should not be to make an insane police state where punishment is ratcheted up in the name of equality. Instead, men and boys deserve to be treated with compassion and impartiality in this exact type of scenario. This is a completely reasonable sentence; if he does this again, he is fucked. He learned a hard lesson about the world, but he was given a second chance. That's reasonable, and it is something all men deserve in this society.
You assholes saying this has nothing to do with MR are delusional and more concerned with being mainstream, uncontroversial, and "cool" than actually getting anything done. Guess what: MR is going to be controversial. If it is not, then we are getting nothing done. I know you college kids think you understand all about causes, but enacting change that goes against the status quo requires not compromising to appease it.
I have watched this subreddit devolve over half a decade, losing every dedicated and honest voice as they read the writing on the wall. This movement is at real risk of becoming a new way for Feminism to push its agenda without appearing to be Feminist, and those of you claiming they are "both MR and Feminists" are facilitating that process with smiles on your faces.
This cause is not about being cool. It is not about fitting in. It is about changing fundamental ways society thinks about itself and you will never be able to chill with the cool feminist kids and belong like you want to do. Those "activist" schmucks are just pretending to be for a cause; there is nothing edgy or dangerous about supporting feminism. It is the status quo. It is PC. MR inherently can not be.
This post should be celebrated...instead I see outrage that a girl was supposedly mistreated". If that's how you view this, you are the problem. I am sure soon enough my voice will finally be drowned out and I will no longer even visit this subreddit. If Kloo still lurks I suspect he is utterly disgusted by what he sees.
Edit: If you are upvoting this, you need to stop being the silent majority/minority on this subreddit. We need people weighing in their voices against the building momentum of feminism and PC. Please, start posting in every thread against the growing trend. Make yourself heard. Don't just let the tide roll in without a fight.
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I don't think you understood my point.
Particularly, "edgy or cool" is disparaging of people who believe Feminism is somehow a controversial stance to take.
Maybe that was unclear.
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Not necessarily detrimental, but the inherent implication of that statement is under certain circumstances they are and under other circumstances they are not.
I think when the calls of "let's not look like misogynists" (as used by feminism i.e., against feminism) and "we need to ally with feminists" reaches a certain volume, they are no longer helpful. I remember when someone saying that would have instantly downvoted--but now? They are upvoted. Sometimes top comment.
This subreddit has become image obsessed. Feminists are absolute masters of image control and manipulation; MRs only real weapon is straight-talk relentlessly. We are losing our straight talkers.
Where are the old heroes? Where the hell is GWW? I see Typhon around here sometimes, but barely. They have left because this place is not conducive to discussing the actual issues any longer--the only issues that get any attention are the "sanitary" ones that can be chatted about without any courage.
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[–]StrawRedditor 0 points1 point2 points (27 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer 1 point2 points3 points (26 children) | Copy Link
[–]Domriso 1 point2 points3 points (9 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer 0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]Domriso1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]Domriso1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]Domriso1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]Domriso1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]LooneyDubs 1 point2 points3 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer -1 points0 points1 point (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]LooneyDubs1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]LooneyDubs1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]LooneyDubs1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]LooneyDubs1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]StrawRedditor 4 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer -1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]StrawRedditor0 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[+]pokker -11 points-10 points-9 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer -2 points-1 points0 points (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]pokker -3 points-2 points-1 points (9 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer 1 point2 points3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]pokker -3 points-2 points-1 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer 4 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]pokker -8 points-7 points-6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]OnthefarWind 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Baltic481 point [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]pokker 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]OnthefarWind -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[+][deleted] -17 points-16 points-15 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]sleepsholymountain 11 points12 points13 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]FlamingBearAttack 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]LooneyDubs -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnowyGamer -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]englad -3 points-2 points-1 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]HolySchmoly[S] -2 points-1 points0 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]dejour 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]HolySchmoly[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]HolySchmoly[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]ilovenotohio -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]warsie -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link