Why ToySoldier debates feminists... two excellent reasons to not let up on them

2013-07-10T06:12:40+00:00

Most feminists are not used to defending their arguments against substantive questions.

This. Basically until more recently feminism by and large never really face any scrutiny and that criticism it has today and such its not holding up too well really to it.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-07-10T02:54:32+00:00

I've done this as well, but my intention isn't inherently to expose bad arguments from the get go, but to simply force them to be defined, which then subjects them to scrutiny(something ideologues would be kept ambiguous and use the rhetorical weight of "fair" or "right" or "equal" without qualifying them to strengthen their position artificially). It's a blurry line between that and what ToySoldier is saying, but the effect is the same: To bring an actual debate to the audience instead of empty rhetoric about feelings and diffuse notions of equality and privilege, and reduce the shouting past other.

In essence, I try to force an actual debate(and ToySoldier's actions create similar results), and not a mock trial.

Truth is a peculiar thing. You have to chip away at what is false to get to it. You can't pluck it from the sky because it's bright and shiny, or elicits funny feelings you can't explain or articulate.

ibm2431 · 2013-07-10T06:09:57+00:00

I'll often continue to engage with people I know can't be convinced, not because I honestly believe I'll be able to get through to them, but to show any people who come across the argument just how that sort of ideologue thinks.

To me, it's never about convincing the person. It's about convincing the audience.

Of course, this only applies if the debate is allowed to stand for display. Doing so in certain subreddits with strong censorship policies, or simply through private Facebook messages, is just a waste of time. Where you argue is just as important as what.

avantvernacular · 2013-07-10T14:50:58+00:00

Good write up. Also another good reason to debate feminists:To ensure that your own views and arguments are solid and stand up to attack.

redditsuckass · 2013-07-10T11:49:13+00:00

Was with you until you started attacking reproductive rights and progressives, who may not be pro-choice. Get your republican/libertarian ass back into the kitchen, I want a sammich.

Title	Why ToySoldier debates feminists... two excellent reasons to not let up on them
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Date	July 9, 2013 8:57 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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