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Sane, fair, nuanced discussion of what is at risk of loss from the #metoo movement.

paracog

December 6, 2017
8 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/12/where_is_the_line_between_office_flirtation_and_sexual_harassment.html
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Title Sane, fair, nuanced discussion of what is at risk of loss from the #metoo movement.
Author

paracog

Upvotes 8
Comments 9
Date December 6, 2017 9:48 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7hx1jf/sane_fair_nuanced_discussion_of_what_is_at_risk/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

After dinner, he asked her if she wanted to go back to his place. She declined. They went on several more dates, though, and eventually she told him that the reason she didn’t go back to his apartment that first night was that he didn’t ask forcefully enough.

And if he was more forceful it would be rape.

Men can't win.

[–]Ordinate1 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, something sane from Slate.

I'm a leftie, and normally roll my eyes at their articles.

[–]ee4m 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I think what we are seeing is ultra individualism.

The powers that be have systematically broken down human groupings in favour of individualism.

The nuclear family while still a collective, is an isolated and legally controlled collective.

Thats being broken down, and male and female relationships are being broken down too.

Meanwhile the elite keep their extended families and collective class interests intact.

Individual work, productivity and consumer units - thats all we are in the system.

[–]paracog[S] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. The market has systematically invaded all of our social spheres and exploited whatever communal meaning and norms we had until now we are so unmoored and unsure of how we should behave that we take hysterical moral stands against the few things we are still sure are wrong, i.e. pedophilia, rape, and terrorism. Everything else is grey area. #metoo seems to be an effort to regain the sentimental protection that women had which was a compensation for having no political or economic power, sacrificing their lives for their families. It's not working, it's only burning through the sentiment faster.

[–]Ordinate1 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's "divide and conquer," and nothing is more divisive than ultra-individualism.

After that come divisions by gender, race, religion, nationality and even "identity politics," the end result of Faux News (and CNN, although to a lesser extent, until recently...) inventing "entertainment news," now called fake news...

Or as Goebbels would have called it, "Propaganda."

That's all we're allowed to have, anymore, though, on either "side."

[–]perplexedm 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rightly said, the reason why they are so against 'partriarchy' and supporting denigration by chronic psycho maniacs.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think what we are seeing is ultra individualism.

LOL, no. Just, no.

The progressive Left hates individualism, they are totally tribal.

You're thinking of Libertarians.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Pushing the idea that we can all chose an alphabet of unique identities is individualism.

The "left" you are talking about is crypto right.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have a read of this.

http://www.imavo.be/vmt/13214-van%20Zon%20postmodernism.pdf

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