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Fantasists who lied about sex abuse allowed to keep compensation

JohnKimble111

September 4, 2017
42 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/03/fantasists-lied-sex-abuse-allowed-keep-compensation/
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Title Fantasists who lied about sex abuse allowed to keep compensation
Author

JohnKimble111

Upvotes 42
Comments 12
Date September 4, 2017 7:18 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6xyv5u/fantasists_who_lied_about_sex_abuse_allowed_to/
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Comments

[–]MagicTampon13 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

How are they "fantasists?"

Why not just call them liars?

In addition, since they and obtained money for it, shouldn't they also be called "fraudsters" and "criminals?"

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How are the "fantasists?"

Why not just call them liars?

Lying generaly requires intent and its not clear if all of these people are sane enough for there to be intent. Ultimately its a matter for the courts.

[–]MagicTampon2 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Bullshit.

It's a shame that Jemma Beale was convicted and sentenced for ten only ten years after falsely imprisoning a male for two years.

She should have been sentenced the same way as someone who abducts another person, then stows them away in a locked basement for two years.

The others, who knows? At the least, they should have their names published and stories made know to the public so it can be discussed fully. I doubt they didn't know that they were lying.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should have been sentenced the same way as someone who abducts another person, then stows them away in a locked basement for two years.

There aren't exactly many cases of that in the UK to work out how long such a sentence would be. England and wales doesn't really go in for US style really long sentences so I wouldn't be supprised if such a sentence was in the range of 10 years.

Last high profile kidnapping was by Michael Donovan and Karen Matthews but that was of a child they drugged and for a shorter period (they got 8 years).

The others, who knows. At the least, they should have their names published and stories made know to the public so it can be discussed fully.

They haven't been convicted of any offences at this point. These things take time.

[–]boringcarpets 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called fraud, obtaining funds by deception, we have laws. No, there isn't much law around "fantasists", but they are liars and fraudsters - no crime was committed, the compensation was for trauma they never had, therefore they should pay it back, no ifs buts or maybes

[–]ZombieP0ny 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

77k Pounds. Fucking hell. Imagine this money being used to help actual victims of rape or child abuse. Or for pedophiles, for projects and therapy to help them control their urges.

But no, those greedy, fucking bastards got it instead. And now they're not even getting any real punishment. Imho they should pay it all back. With interest.

[–]number4ty7 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how it took a man making a false claim for this to hit the news. This compensation policy was always suspect, I've been saying it for years. It brings into question all the historical allegations against celebrities that emerged right after its inception.

How anyone thought this was a good idea is beyond me. It's like nobody realised people will act dishonestly for money.

[–]marcooni1 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Under the rules a victim can apply for compensation even if the perpetrator has not been identified or prosecuted.

Easy money

[–]Mens-Advocate 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are they not in prison for fraud or theft?

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These things take time. One of them is awaiting sentencing and "Nick" is under investigation.

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The last entity anyone should defraud is the government. Why are they getting a pass?

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They aren't. One is awaiting sentencing and "nick" is under investigation.

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