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Opinion | I’m Not Quoting Enough Women

pokemon_fetish

May 15, 2018
3 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/opinion/women-sexism-journalism-conferences.html
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Title Opinion | I’m Not Quoting Enough Women
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pokemon_fetish

Upvotes 3
Comments 16
Date May 15, 2018 12:33 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8jhbx8/opinion_im_not_quoting_enough_women/
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[–]marcooni1 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

When you are desperate to find any female quotes, but you can´t find them, because there isn´t enough. This must be problem of patriarhy

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

What else could it be, though? The patriarchy has clearly tricked women into thinking that geotechnical foundation engineering is a dry, uninteresting subject when it clearly isn't. There are surely hundreds of thousands of women out there who are dying to learn about the application of soils, gravels and clays in building effective earthworks, landfills, drainage ponds and the like, but The Scheming Patriarchy has fooled them into preferring to paint their toenails instead!

[–]Ninagram 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My husband is a geotechnical engineer in mining. An ongoing issue he and other male co-workers have at work is that when an engineer needs to go out to the field (almost always a remote location in a desert), the female geotechs always find a way out of it. Most don’t even have kids, but they never have to travel. They always make up a ton of excuses and management doesn’t force them. It really sucks because then my husband and the other guys have to take more rotations. If they had only male engineers then they could share the load more. Suffice to say most of the men in that line of work despise the women, and I don’t blame them.

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

First of all, I think the difficulty of that kind of job is something that rank-and-file people don't really appreciate. Second of all... that surprises me not at all. That has been a recurring theme I have heard, again and again, in nearly every line of work I have heard about where there is physical danger involved. In the military, construction, etc. Slack needs to be picked-up by someone.

That 'We Can Do It!' poster that you've seen everyplace? It was inspired by a photo of a WWII factory woman. According to her NY Times obituary, the woman in the photo quit her job at the factory a few weeks after the picture was taken because she didn't want to injure her hands (which had happened to someone else.) She later married a dentist and had a bunch of kids. Meanwhile, while she opted-out from work in the factory? Guys from her high school were being shot-at in Europe.

It really is amazing to me that this image, which gets reused over and over and over-- the poster really ought to read: 'I don't feel like doing it!' and show her deciding to be a goddamned '50s housewife instead. So that's propaganda vs reality, and propaganda won. The woman's bicep even needed to be bulked-up for the poster, for chrissakes.

[–]Ninagram 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had no idea! Thanks for giving me new ammo when arguing with my feminist acquaintances.

[–]fengpi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/12/30/132484640/michigan-woman-who-inspired-wwii-rosie-poster-has-died

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Doyle

Might be more helpful. Naturally, I don't begrudge the woman's decision to not work in a factory (it sounds like a rational choice). I just think that if people are going to play make-believe, we might as well start saying that Betty Crocker was Supergirl's secret identity, that Eva Peron could shoot lightning bolts from her eyes and that Cinderellla conquered Europe while riding a yak.

[–]marcooni1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Like the ones who built the bridge what collapsed hours after finishing?

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm fairly certain that is based on untrue reports.

[–]marcooni1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously it was wrong, because it collapsed and it couldn´t possibly be fault of womyn. Mens has the fault. But if it wouldn´t, then it was womyns victory.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm fairly certain that is based on untrue reports.

I don't have any inside info about the bridge, but snopes is not an especially reliable source.

Also, if the bridge had been designed by men, I expect that would be front-page news, so I find the lack of press after the event somewhat interesting.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I am rather loathe to believe Internet rumors. There is an unbelievable amount of bad information swirling around out there.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I am rather loathe to believe Internet rumors. There is an unbelievable amount of bad information swirling around out there.

I agree, but the media's anti-male bias is real and pervasive. If some reporter dug out the names of the design engineers and they were male, I expect it would be all over the news. This is not proof, or even evidence, but I think the reasoning is solid.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For any run-of-the-mill engineering failure (like this one in Pakistan yesterday), I don't think it's wrong to assume that the designers and builders were male. It would feel kind of pusillanimous and low if were feminists to harp on that. The fact that they usually don't often harp on the maleness of people who built a failed structure probably has more to do with the fact that a lot of them seem to think that structures just appear out of thin air with construction workers doing nothing but sitting on girders to eat out of lunch pails while wearing functionless hard hats.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For any run-of-the-mill engineering failure (like this one in Pakistan yesterday),

This is a very old moss-covered bridge, no doubt it failed because of age and lack of maintenance, the other issue is apparently a design error.

It would feel kind of pusillanimous and low if were feminists to harp on that.

Feminists harp on how the Evil Male Heterpatriarchy[tm] caused all the problems in the world and oppresses women everywhere and everywhen.

The fact that they usually don't often harp on the maleness of people who built a failed structure probably has more to do with the fact that a lot of them seem to think that structures just appear out of thin air with construction workers doing nothing but sitting on girders to eat out of lunch pails while wearing functionless hard hats.

There's always that.

[–]William__F0ster 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From OP's article:

[H]undreds of men in various fields have signed an online petition vowing not to appear on all-male panels. The website Gender Avenger keeps statistics on panels and television appearances. And a brutally funny Tumblr, called “Congrats, you have an all male panel,” publishes photographs of such “manels.”

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

zero-sum: adjective [attributive] (of a game or situation) in which whatever is gained by one side is lost by the other: lawyers tend to play in a zero-sum game.

From various:

Feminism: Not a zero-sum game

Meghan Murphy, 12 September 2012, Feminist Current

[M]en need to take off their zero-sum goggles and take a step back. They need to embrace the overwhelming evidence that shows gender equality offers indubitable social and economic benefits.

Katie Schad, 22 April 2014, The Huffington Post: The Blog

Because [Laurie] Penny doesn’t believe in “the end of men,” and she doesn’t believe that gender equality is a zero-sum game. In fact, she sees men as necessary allies if a revolt against gender norms is ever really going to happen, because feminism requires men to see themselves in a not-so-flattering way ...

Tara Wanda Merrigan, 18 September 2014, Bustle

An unfortunately common view among men – one that I will, at full disclosure, admit that I have held in the past – is that feminism is a zero sum affair. If women rise, then men must obviously fall, right? No, absolutely not.

Toni Rinna, 5 December 2016, GirlTalk HQ

[MP Phillip] Davies represents and magnifies a strain of confused thought that misunderstands equality as a zero-sum game: if women get a slice of the cake, there will be less for men.

Catherine Mayer, Women's Equality Party, 27 April 2017 The Guardian

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[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God I hate these virtue signaling ass-hats.

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