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Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom

Undercover5051

February 18, 2018
58 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/18/iceland-ban-male-circumcision-first-european-country
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Title Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom
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Undercover5051

Upvotes 58
Comments 20
Date February 18, 2018 6:20 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7yg31m/iceland_law_to_outlaw_male_circumcision_sparks/
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[–][deleted] 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If your religion conflicts with human rights, it’s your religion that needs to change.

[–]Rethgil 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So obviously female circumcision is also fine then? Its equally "just a religious freedom".

Or perhaps it isn't as associated with as many groups who bring in loads of money to the economy and the objectors to the new law are scum...

[–]93re2 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://newsin.asia/female-circumcision-communities-call-religious-freedom-upheld/

Dr Alifiya S. Bapai, a practicing gynecologist in Mumbai...explains that Khafz is performed for ‘religious purity’ in the same way as male circumcision is. The procedure according to her has been practiced for generations and there have been no deaths recorded to date, due to Khafz.

So why is the community being targeted if the procedure is so harmless?

Fifty nine year old Fatema (who did not want to reveal her surname), a Dawoodi Bohra in Mumbai said that her community is being unjustly accused of sexual and child abuse especially by some groups who had broken away from the community and are using the Dawoodi Bohra label just to tarnish the image of the community.

Fatema, says Bohra women have never been forced or brainwashed to perform circumcision and that it is based on free choice.

“Some groups go as far to allege that we force it. And they term us as mutilators. This is unfair. Neither what we perform is mutilation nor are we forced to do it. Khafz has been performed for generations and it is a religious belief. It is wrong to say that it is child abuse. If this is child abuse then what is male circumcision? Males are circumcised days after they are born. No one should have the right to enforce unjust laws on religions especially when a practice is harmless,” she asserted.

[–]TCDWarrior 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck your bullshit religion.

[–]DuplicatesBot 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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Finally Some Good News From Europe's Most Cucked Country /r/MGTOW /u/NewMunster 2018-02-18 12:13:06 65
Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom /r/uncensorednews /u/Larpn 2018-02-18 23:11:00 6
Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom [news] /r/littlenews /u/Little_News_Bot 2018-02-18 20:53:17 3
[[World] - Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom Guardian](https://www.reddit.com/r/AutoNewspaper/comments/7yazec/world_iceland_law_to_outlaw_male_circumcision/) /r/AutoNewspaper /u/AutoNewspaperAdmin 2018-02-18 09:10:12
[World] - Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom /r/GUARDIANauto /u/AutoNewsAdmin 2018-02-18 08:44:11 2
Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom /r/TheColorIsBlue /u/bluethecoloris 2018-02-18 08:35:33 2

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We must rally together to defend the Rabbis right to suck the blood from freshly mutilated cocks of newborn babies. Much like what rabbi's/priests/imams do to slightly older boys it is truly an ancient tradition!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Circumcision is a pretty sick business. No adult has any place doing anything to a babies genitals, more yet sucking them!

[–]squintified 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Legal courts will over-ride a Jehovah's Witness's claim to religious freedom when Jehovah Witness insist that their child(ren) should not be given a life saving blood transfusion. Fuck "religious freedom" and ban such barbaric practices.

[–]the_mountaingoat -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What’s wrong with circumcision

[–]93re2 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great question. If you take half an hour to watch Professor Ryan McAllister's lecture Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital, (NSFW) you'll have a much clearer picture of some of the major ethical issues involved.

[–]Robbaba 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The removal of the foreskin desensitizes the penis so it only feels ejaculation. This is a contributing factor in lack of sexual gratification in men. Many problems for men can be traced to their lack of satisfaction in their sex lives.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your child's body is not your canvas, the only modifications you should be allowed to demand for them are of medical necessity.

Circumcision in itself isn't the issue, I have 0 problem with anyone wanting to be circumcised. But you shouldn't be allowed to make choices for other people's bodies based on what you deem doesn't matter on their body.

[+][deleted] -16 points-15 points-14 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I have opposed Misandry and Presumption of Guilt since 1996. Judaism and Islam have Laws which prohibit conviction based on the words one accuser -- that makes them much more humane then modern US Law.

But as a Jew I oppose anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic prohibition on religious practices. Spanish Inquisition banned both Judaism and Islam.

United States and Western Civilization has done enough harm to Humankind. Misandry originated in Western Civilization. Sad to see anti-misandrists joining the crusade.

[–]Yndrd1984 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I oppose anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic prohibition on religious practices.

We've already banned FGM, slavery, and forced conversion. Are you going to gripe about those bans?

Freedom (of religion, sexuality, or anything else) allows you to believe whatever you want and do what you want with other consenting adults. The moment you want to so something sexual with a child, amputate their body parts, or in this case do both at the same time, we have a moral duty to stop you.

[–]KDulius 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As well as killing gays, both parts of the bible AND the Qu'ran both call for it, so we're clearly stopping religious freedoms there as well

[–]mgm-survivor 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My religious beliefs declare that children who are born free of defect need no alteration. That circumcision is to be done away with. You are imposing on my religious freedom with this practice, and the freedom of children to be apart of it. "My Body is a Temple" and your people, above all, MUST respect and not assault and desecrate the temples that are other individual's bodies!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your religious rights end where someone else’s body begins.

[–]Aivias 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But as a Jew I oppose anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic prohibition on religious practices. Spanish Inquisition banned both Judaism and Islam.

Shut the fuck you you desert-cult following troglodyte.

[–]WildHuntsman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I swear that I've seen this comment verbatim before. Interesting. No new ideas on your end, I suppose. In which case, I'll dismantle your argument with some of my usual rebuttals.

Have you ever heard of a "jizya"? If you haven't, it's a religious practice found in Islam where Christians and Jews are taxed by their Muslim ruler simply because their are Christians and Jews. I wonder, as a Jew, would you so fervently demand that your local Muslim leader gain the right to tax you simply because of your faith?

As for the Spanish Inquisition, they did a great many things. Hitler also did a great many things. Do you adivse against smoking, advocate for technological processes as well as the rights of animals? I do hope that you answered no to all three of those questions, as, if you did, by your own logic, you would be the second coming of Adolf Hitler. Many of the people who oppose the nonsense that you're spouting, myself included, are level-headed enough to not think in such a manner.

As for patriarchy originating in the West, I'd need to see a citation for that. As a Jew, you'd be interested to know that some of humanity's first known records of patriarchy originated in the Middle-East (the same place that Judaism came from). Sad to see an anti-misandrist like yourself joining the Holy War for patriarchy. If what I just typed sounded silly, then that's because it is. Yet I'm using your logic, not mine.

Wisen up.

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