Some glaringly obvious points about the Red Pill

Naus1987 · 2023-03-25T17:48:36+00:00

As an asexual person, I feel like I have a legitimate super power compared to how easily men are driven and manipulated by their sex drive.

Half the reason red pill had any traction is because men with sexual impulses hook up and marry toxic women. They throw standards to the wind for a pretty face.

beansmuch · 2023-03-25T21:33:41+00:00

Going to have to disagree with the relevance, validity or importance with the first 6 of these points.

The first five points are either political or LGBT related. Do not conflate the red pill with politics, because a lot of red pill people are left wing or center... and red pill doesn't actually comment on LGBT... sure you can find some anti-LGBT red pillers, but the philosophy itself is really just a form of behavioural psychology and applied anthropology. At the core, it says, "this is how women act, and therefore this is how you should act / be", primarily in romantic situations but really for any type of relationship you can have with a woman (work, friendship, etc.)

Regarding the first 4: A system doesn't have to be for everyone. If 90% of men /women are heterosexual and cisgender, then red pill would theoretically apply to 90% of men.

Regarding 6: A lot of redpill is about hook-up culture as well. Likewise, the same is true regarding the first four points: a system doesn't have to be for everyone. If 50% of men want kids and a marriage, then redpill would theoretically apply to 50% of men. So none of these points actually challenge red pill thought, it just narrows who its user base or proponents could / should be.

At the end of the day, any current red piller will read these counter points and just be like, "How is this relevant to me or the red pill?". It won't dissuade them.

Why do you think red pill is problematic? It's an important question to ask because it guides your critiques of it. Well, the same could be said about any philosophy really... "why do you think x, y or z philosophy is problematic..."

I think red pill is problematic because it affects how men treat women and how they perceive that women treat them, ie: it will give you the impression that women are constantly slighting you, using you, etc., then you can't trust women and you develop negative views about them. The problem with this from a male-centric perspective is that it will damage any current relationships (any type... again, friendships included, family, work, etc.) they have with women and impede them from forming them in the future.

Most of your points are very gender studies centric, which is pretty peripheral to what the red pill is. I get that the redpill can be criticized from both a feminist and gender-studies perspective, but it's not going to disabuse any redpillers of the redpill. They're men. So, why is it potentially bad for them? We have to know our audience and who we want to influence. Like what is the goal here? To circle jerk, or to try and disabuse disenchanted men of certain views?

There is a lot to 7 and 7 can be expanded on, so I think that that's what you should focus on and expand on, because it's the only thing that will potentially influence redpillers thoughts and perspectives.

_Artemisia_ · 2023-04-01T04:21:43+00:00

Points 1-4 are irrelevant - most people are cisgender and heterosexual. Just because LGBT minorities are yelling at the top of their lungs does not mean they're the majority of people - they're 2-5% of the population.

Point 5 - it's not antiquated in the slightest, and it's very much alive. The only reason alternative ways of relating and living exist so commonly now is because first world society has advanced far enough that we have that luxury.

Point 6 - Marriage and children are most people's goals. How do you think you were born? How do you think we got to 7-8+ billion people on the planet?

Your last point is the only one with any relevance or validity, and I would urge you not to be so quick to say there's no truth in what RP (not MGTOW) is saying.

Maybe how it's saying it is wrong in some places, but there is absolutely a hierarchy of competency in life. And the higher up you are, the more options you have in terms of potential partners.

There's a reason most girls in high school wanted to be with the guys who were good at sports. And there's a reason most women want to marry men who make good money.

Not sure what you mean by "concrete thought" and "false dilemmas". Maybe you can elaborate on those.

Title	Some glaringly obvious points about the Red Pill
Author	Accomplished_Bus1375
Upvotes	6
Comments	8
Date	March 25, 2023 5:11 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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