Here to learn.

Dunkolunko · 2020-06-07T01:57:06+00:00

Thank you! We get a lot of trolls here who say they want to learn but actually just think they have a logic trap to prove us wrong or hypocritical) if they can get us to say something. It never works but they try! So please understand if a few people are suspicious please understand they have bad experience with people who claim to come in good faith. But you do seem genuine.

Here's a few figures. If you search the sub for keywords here you can find sources for them.

Men lack numerous legal rights given to women in the west: bodily integrity (circumcision), the right to vote without signing up for the draft, the right to be recognized as rape victims from penis-vagina nonconsensual sex, the right to abdicate from legal parenthood at any stage up to the child's infancy, the right to not become a parent through deception, the right to non-discriminatory hiring based on sex (women are considered a protected group so affirmative action from them but not for men).

Men are 21 times more likely to be shot and killed by police than women. Even if you factor in violent crime rate, still 4x more, even as the violent crime rate is probably not as high as shown as men are significantly more likely to be arrested, charged, go to trial, be convicted and go to prison, especially for sexual and domestic violence. Men recieve 63% longer sentences when accounting for criminal charge, criminal history, etc.

Women have been doing better in school than boys since around 1980, and things have been getting worse. Not only are their countless programs, scolarships and changes in the education system designed to help girls, but studies show that teachers consistently mark boys lower and girls hugher when they know the gender of the child who submitted the piece of work.

In the US, as one example, there are literally hundreds of government funded programs for the protection and advancement of women. One male only program - the draft.

When made-to-penetrate is counted, men and women are raped at similar rates. Many studies also show near pwrity in domestic violence, yet all western countries (actually I've never heard of any country that doesn't) run their DV and sexual violence campaigns and programs on a gendered narrative of men oppressing women, based mostly on the unscientific duluth model.

I could go all day, that's just a start.

JestyerAverageJoe · 2020-06-07T03:20:24+00:00

Welcome!

Are there any men's issues that particularly concern you?

If you haven't, I highly recommend you watch Cassie Jaye's documentary film The Red Pill (which you can get for free on YouTube and Amazon Prime). It's a very nice primer to the Men's Human Rights Movement.

2020-06-07T11:21:10+00:00

Hey. I’m a fellow woman who also got interested in the movement. Glad to see you here.

Railnites02 · 2020-06-07T01:25:08+00:00

And remember, the stupid question is one that wasn't asked

GhostBunny667 · 2020-06-07T01:57:15+00:00

Have any of you been pressured into showing more feeling, or opening up/ being more vulnerable with a partner, and had that backfire on you ?

L0SERlambda · 2020-06-07T01:54:09+00:00

Welcome! I'm probably not the best person to ask, and that's fine. Just welcome!

Metraxis · 2020-06-07T14:54:43+00:00

A few things to know when reading here:

The term feminism is used here to describe the Dworkin/Daly/Koss/Solanas-inspired hate machine. The people who take their inspiration from these authors identify themselves as feminists, and are the most well-funded and well-connected (powerful) group of people who do so. Feminism is therefore, de facto, what these people _do_. You can expect arguments claiming that these are fringe elements or that feminism is about equality for everyone to fall on ears so jaded as to be deaf, both from repetition and from many community members' personal experiences.

It is generally viewed as unacceptable to make moral or value judgments about people based on genetic characteristics. When that genetic characteristic is sex, we call it sexism for short A judgment that relies on sex is sexist, the person who makes such judgments habitually is a sexist. These are abbreviated terms with specific meanings The claim that an act or person cannot be sexist because of some power relationship that exists between groups to which the people involved belong will not attract a ban, but will raise the question of whether the claimant is actually evil or merely stupid, since the behavior remains equally unacceptable regardless of vocabulary.

As long as a group or movement continues to take the idea of patriarchy as an axiom, there can be no useful dialog. The axiom changes a political ideology into a religion. Fighting a theoretical patriarchy when its existence cannot be questioned is like trying to end poverty when poverty is defined as the low quartile of the population by income. The definition itself makes a 'win' impossible.

Finally, for good or ill, the process and practice of masculinity is and always has been in large part defined by the way that heterosexual women react to heterosexual male behavior. If you want to know why, after half a century of 'fighting gender stereotypes', the modern man still won't open up emotionally, you need look no farther than the nearest "Male Tears" mug. If you want to know why so many men seem to be laser-focused on coitus to the exclusion of more ethereal relationship aspects, look at the derision and vitriol heaped on anyone who appears to be disinclined or unsuccessful. Men as a group, do these things because women, as a group, demand it of them, and all the pearl-clutching op-eds in the world will not change that. If the problem of toxic standards is to be solved in a lecture hall, then it needs to be a lecture hall full of girls.

shit-zen-giggles · 2020-06-07T06:49:32+00:00

Hi and welcome,

you might get a lot of information from Cassie Jaye's documentary the red pill.

Cassie has also published the full raw interviews that are the basis of the movie on her youtube channel for free.

Aside from that great intro, you might want to check out the frequently asked questions page of this sub's wiki (as well as other pages therein).

And of course you're welcome to ask any questions directly as well.

One thing might greatly improve your experience:

When you post questions try to avoid phrases and expressions that come from feminist theory (patriachy, priviledge, gender, ally, rape culture, toxic masculinity, ...). Many people here will sink their teeth into these phrases and disprove them, rather than answering your questions.

Title	Here to learn.
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Date	June 7, 2020 1:15 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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