Women's issues outside of feminist perspective?

BirdOfHirmes · 2020-05-19T13:31:44+00:00

Automation is a problem for workers in general. As you say, ~20-21% of jobs for men and women are being replaced by automation. It's then not a gendered issue and I personally have little interest in that particular topic.

If women do truly hold 2/3 of the debt then why? What is the root cause of their having this debt? Did they go for a bachelor of arts and can't find a job? I put myself into a massive pile of debt but I got an engineering degree and salary prospects allow me to pay off my debt and then some. You reap what you sow, plain and simple.

Currently, a decline in women's happiness and an increase in suicides would just be another blinder on the fact that suicide rates for men are far more egregious and have continued to be ignored. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's bad for them and bad for us.

As for the pay gap, that has been debunked for a long time. I can't recall if that is a sidebar item or just simply a well shared fact. If a feminist is using it as a argument point then they're not concerned with equality. I'll look into this one more if someone doesn't have the references off hand.

When it comes to abortion, that is mostly a women's body autonomy thing that helps emphasize body autonomy for anyone however there are issues where a consentually created child may be aborted against the wishes of the father because the woman holds all the power to remove the fetus from her body and it just get more and more complicated from there.

ShawshankRetention · 2020-05-19T14:09:58+00:00

I mean most of the women issues seem trivial compared to men issues.

They complain to the lack of CEO while we complain about unemployement.

They complain about not feeling safe while we complain about suicide

They complain about wellfare why we complain about homelessness

They complain about not enough poweefull female star while we complain about systematic denigration of men.

They complain about lack of late term abortion while men can be unilaterally drafted into supporting an other man offspring over simple allegation.

EricAllonde · 2020-05-19T13:57:34+00:00

Pay gap, abortion rights, more women CEOs, more women leaders

1) A myth.

2) They already have them.

3) Entirely the product of fewer women being willing to put in 20+ years of hard grind climbing the corporate ladder for a shot at the top job.

4) Entirely the result of fewer women than men running for political office. When they do run, they have about the same odds of winning as men do. Plus they benefit from women voters outnumbering male voters and women's in-group bias means they favour women candidates over male candidates.

women also hold 2/3 of all student debt in the United States

Women are now about 60% of all university and college students now, so the fact that they hold 66% of the student is not far out of line with their sheer numbers. I gather the difference is due to the fact that men are more likely to work, either part-time or full-time, while attending college and use that income to reduce the amount they need to borrow to complete their study.

since tuition keeps increasing

There are plenty of lower-cost colleges, including state colleges, that people can attend if they're willing to be less snobby about where they go.

women's happiness has also been declining

That's a hard one to solve, since women are already better off than men by every objective measure. Perhaps their unhappiness comes from being coddled more than men, and so they develop less mental toughness and resilience than men do? I'm just speculating.

danpilon · 2020-05-19T16:32:21+00:00

I am 100% willing to recognize that women face issues that are specific to them, or at least affect them more than men. However, those issues must meet 2 criteria.

The issue must actually affect women more than men
The issue has to be something that is objectively harmful, as opposed to a single-sided view of a gray-area issue (effectively spin).

None of your examples meet these criteria. As you said, 21% of men could be affected by automation, and 20% of women. How is this a women's issue when it affects both genders essentially the same? Women hold 2/3 of student debt because colleges are roughly 60% women. If colleges were 60% men and men held 2/3 of the debt, feminists would be complaining about sexism in college acceptance etc. This is hardly an objectively harmful problem, as unmarried childless women in their 20's out-earn men in the same group, suggesting that those extra college degrees are helping them, so clearly it is spin designed to make it look like a problem women face.

Other examples of issues that supposedly affect women more (if you believe feminists) are suicide, homelessness, safety in public, domestic violence etc. The only one that maybe affects women more in reality is domestic violence (though this could be a reporting problem more than anything), but due to the fact that feminists completely ignore domestic violence against men (especially when committed by women) I am not going to start focusing on how that issue affects women.

Oncefa2 · 2020-05-19T17:02:04+00:00

There are a lot related to biology.

Women are taken less seriously in some formal contexts, though the reverse happens to men in domestic spheres.

People assume women are less competent in some areas, but then the same is also true for men in other areas.

To answer your question more generally though, there are women's advocates who aren't feminists. In fact most women's advocates throughout history were not feminists.

It's only recently that feminism has claimed a monopoly, and part of that has to do with the fact that most major issues effecting women have been mitigated or fixed. There aren't more feminists there are just fewer non-feminist WRAs because that requires that there actually be women's rights issues that need to be addressed.

Feminists are good at "making things up" so that's why they're the only ones left.

MarsNirgal · 2020-05-19T16:09:14+00:00

I personally think any perspective you take, there will probably be a feminist perspective that will be a close match. Feminism is not a monolith.

(Unless your approach is clearly mysogynistic, of course)

chasityyellowrobe · 2020-05-19T16:22:26+00:00

What pay gap? Abortion needs to be regulated more. Work hard and you’ll be a ceo is 20 years or so. Some things will never be automated so learn something new while you can Student debt is because most students in school are female Happiness would be improved by having a little more standards for yourself working to become better and addressing ones issues head on.

79johnsmith · 2020-05-19T14:35:24+00:00

The biggest issue women will face is what to do when Feminism and Gynocentrism finally rips apart the very fragile system known as modern western civilisation, which is built, maintained and protected by the very men they seek to bury and supplant.

Beneath the impression of the might that is modern civilisation, the facade of strength reveals a surprisingly fragile structure - modern civilisation exists only due to the complex, interconnected and delicately balanced and maintained systems of resource and energy extraction, power, communications, technology, agricultural and industrial supply chains and an unrivalled military which underpins and secures the peace and stability required for it to flourish.

These are all areas which are extremely difficult, dangerous, dirty, and demeaning, with high mortality rates and needing high technical and scientific proficiency where if one had the choice, one would shirk away from, and unsurprisingly, where women are least likely to voluntarily gravitate to, and where men overwhelmingly dominate.

Will women be able to build, maintain, and protect modern civilisation, once Feminists and Gynocentrism has chemically lobotomised, drugged and neutered all the boys and driven out the very last toxic masculine men who hold it in place?

Will women agree to take on the roles and jobs that no-one in their right mind would, those high mortality, technically demanding, difficult, dangerous, dirty, and demeaning jobs that underpins the heart of modern civilisation?

Remember: The Future is Female

Title	Women's issues outside of feminist perspective?
Author	Unhappy-Technician
Upvotes	13
Comments	19
Date	May 19, 2020 1:04 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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