This is the OP's conversation with his HR as an upper manager:

When we got to the part about 'zero tolerance' for sexual harrassment, and it being a fireable offense on the first occurrence, I asked the HR director to clarify what constituted 'sexual harrassment' under the company policy.

She listed everything for unwanted physical contact, to inappropriate comments or language of a sexual nature, all the way to 'unwanted sexual advances', and even prolonged or uncomfortable EYE CONTACT. My jaw just dropped and the conversation went something like this (though I'm condensing and paraphrasing of course):

Me: 'How on earth will you ever confirm or disconfirm the veracity of such an accusation?'

Her: ' We would of course try to investigate each claim as best we can, but it would ultimately come down to believing that the accuser is 'correct' in their interpretation of the events'

Me: 'But isn't that entirely subjective to how the accuser feels, and not the actual intentions of the person being accused? Do we really want to start firing good talent that we've worked hard to find, hire, and train over any number of misinterpretations, instead of ACTUAL misconduct?'

Her: 'I get what you're saying, but we're of the mind that most people wouldn't make those types of accusations without good reason, and we need to be fostering a safe and inclusive work environment for everyone..'

Me: 'Except the person being erroneously accused'

Her: 'Sorry?'

Me: 'So you don't believe that a person would ever misinterpret another person's innocuous chit chat or friendly banter as an unwanted advance?'

Her: 'We don't feel that that is likely, no.'

Me: 'During this conversation you've told me that I look 'young for the role', that I'm 'in good shape' (with reference to the company gym subsidy), and that you're looking forward to getting to know me better. By the logic of this policy, I could easily have interpreted those comments as inappropriate observations on my appearance and even as unwanted advances. Of course I wouldn't do that because I'm a reasonable person.'

Her (looking visibly shocked and unsettled): W.. we believe that most people are.

Me: If you truly believe that in 'X city' in 2019, then you haven't been paying attention.


Other companies follow the same procedure and presumptions in these cases. Even if they say, they are investigating, they don't. They only listen to the accuser and the accused is not given a fair trial.

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