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How angry men's rights activists online helped propel Trump to victory | Two more hysterical feminists who don't know the difference between red pillers and MRAs, or just like lying to say they're the same thing.

EricAllonde

July 1, 2019
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/r/MensRights
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Title How angry men's rights activists online helped propel Trump to victory | Two more hysterical feminists who don't know the difference between red pillers and MRAs, or just like lying to say they're the same thing.
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EricAllonde

Upvotes 27
Comments 58
Date July 1, 2019 3:19 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c7tum1/how_angry_mens_rights_activists_online_helped/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wage gap. Lol

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

This is piss-poor. Are they seriously suggesting the r/TheRedPill "radicalized" enough voters to make a difference. That has to be the weakest suggestion I have ever heard.

Moreover, if it was true, then any political party that wanted to win might actually start to ask itself why so many voters were angry at it. This might lead it to look more inquiringly at:

  • The hateful rhetoric used by many of the feminists it associates itself with.
  • The divisive "war on women" rhetoric it uses in its own campaigns.
  • Social issues such as discrimination in education, family law, hiring and so on, which impact men,

Or, you know, that party could support the undermining of men's right to a fair trial, it could drive polarization as a campaigning technique (all while high-mindedly and sanctimoniously decrying "populism"), it could work hard with ideologues to make universities an even more hostile environment for young men and one of its most prominent senators could tell men, 50% of the voters, to "shut up and put up".

What reply does that merit, other than "go fuck yourself"?

[–]BigGuysBlitz 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You mean calling everything a man does as mansplaining or misogynist doesn't work?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, right? It's almost as if continually insulting, gaslighting and kafkatrapping 50% of the population might suffer from the law of diminishing returns.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Democrats shot themselves in the foot by giving a platform to the SJWs.

Gleeful calls for the demise of the white male didn't exactly play well with white males.

[–]fgrsentinel 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It also doesn't play well with anyone that has a working moral compass and is friends with/related to white males. When you tell white men they don't have a say and make them the villains in everything, you do more than just disenfranchise them. You also force everyone that cares about them to watch them suffer and beg for help as they slowly fall into depression and eventually suicide, which has a powerful role in shaking the majority's faith in the entire system.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it was such a lucky escape that Clinton didn't win in 2016. Everything the Obama administration was doing would only have escalated.

It's clear to me that the Title IX kangaroo courts set up by the Dear Colleague letter were a trial run for feminist Democrats who would have done to the criminal justice system under a Clinton government. Because if they say it's important to deny male students accused of rape the presumption of innocence and right to defend themselves vigorously on campus, then they'll argue it's even much more important to deny men accused of rape the presumption of innocence and right to defend themselves vigorously in criminal courts, too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I'd agree, if it had paused the juggernaut in its tracks. But all it's done is make feminists angrier and more hateful. The next time the Democrats win the presidency, the anti-male laws are likely to come thick and fast. I actually wonder if that is what it will take — innocent men going to prison, the percentage of boys at university falling to single figures, feminists feeling empowered to vent their hatred more and more openly, and so on — to stop this tidal wave of malice and lies.

But I do agree that Title IX looked very much like a dry run. It's also a very interesting phenomenon. There seemed to be a lot of false-memory syndrome going on there — young women coached by campus activists into believing a normal encounter was rape — and also a lot of revenge; young women who didn't get what they wanted from an encounter (often a relationship) and so re-interpreted that encounter as rape. And the activists and administrators saw all this going on and facilitated it. Horrendous.

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It depends on who the Democratic Nominee is, if its Bernie it will be miniumal, if it's, Tulsi or Yang it will be even less, if it's Kamala, Biden or Warren it will be a bad time to a man in America.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wonder, though. Bernie, Tulsi and Yang haven't made this a central part of their plank in the same way Kamala, Biden or Warren have.

But they will be subject to the same forces and pressures: principally the need to keep progressive Democrats on side. We've seen this dynamic with Biden.

It's responsible for pretty much all the ridiculous and reprehensible things he's done from giving support to Title IX kangaroo courts onwards.

I should say that I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I want a Democrat to be electable. I just wonder.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From what I've heard Tulsi has actually condemned the identity politics. And Yang has taken shots at the Liberal echo chamber.

So the one most likely to give into the horse shit is Bernie Sadly. But he has alimit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I suppose there's always hope, then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No it won't be a bad time for men. When Obama unleashed Title IX he also caused Women Against Feminism to become a thing. And the Honey Badgers, too, and a bunch of other MRA women rose to prominence during that time. Support for feminism dropped from 20% after Elliot Rodger to 18% in 2015. MRAs were slaughtering colleges with Title IX lawsuits. If Harris or Biden, etc came out swinging against men then women would be flocking toward us like they did before. That's what feminist gender revenge did: it ruined their movement. Clinton would have been a huge boom for us - assuming she even wanted to bother with men. Clinton was hated by feminists, which is why they went for Jill Stein. Clinton was going to make Selective Service gender neutral.

MRAs supporting Trump is what fucked us. All our female allies have pretty much disappeared. Revenge against women is destroying our standing.

[–]omegaphallic -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Most MRAs were against Trump, Warren Farrell backed Hillary, it was a minority that backed Trump and many of them did so only because they were afraid Hillary would take revernge on men in general for what Bill did.

I did not support Trump, I attacked his actions on many occasions, what more can I do? I can't vote him out, I'm not American, I don't get a vote.

And your point about President Hillary benifiting the MRAs because of backlash and Trump benifiting Feminists was an arguement I made during the last presidential election and it looks like we were 100% right!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Paul Elam was all for Trump though.

And your point about President Hillary benifiting the MRAs because of backlash and Trump benifiting Feminists was an arguement I made during the last presidential election and it looks like we were 100% right!

We need to re-align as a movement that supports men's rights and opposes wars on women specifically because we know how people suffer under a gender revenge agenda. That means voting Democrat and bringing our case to them. We could literally undercut the likes of MensLib beating them at their own game while also not selling ourselves out.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah Paul Elam and I don't get along, he made it clear he is not a fan of mine on Twitter, I'm greatful for AVFM, but on an interpersonal he's rather unpleasant.

I hate to say it but Paul Elam jumped the shark.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is piss-poor. Are they seriously suggesting the r/TheRedPill "radicalized" enough voters to make a difference. That has to be the weakest suggestion I have ever heard.

Yeah I'm sure some 50-70 year old blue collar voter in Pennsylvania made his decision after reading some memes on TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know. It's a joke.

"See this thing, this thing I hate. See it?!! It's definitely responsible for this other bad thing. Which is bad because I also hate it."

Of course it is. It wasn't Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment. It wasn't her neglect of the fly-over states in her campaign. It wasn't the high-handedness with which coastal elites have treated the concerns and culture of working-class Americans.

No, it was a forum about male dating strategies to which, if we assume that everyone on TRP is an American who is over eighteen years of age, 0.12% of American voters subscribe.

Studies like this are simply populism. They're about as trustworthy as a study by neo-Nazis which claim that something bad should be blamed on the Jews and the Bolsheviks.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

0.12% of American voters subscribe.

I'd be actually surprised if 0.12% of american voters know what TRP even is, tbh.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

The irony is that pieces like this are far more effective at "red pilling" moderates/independents than anything direct redpillers themselves can do.

In a very real way, hit pieces like this will help Trump get re-elected.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quite. I found this forum because the malice and hypocrisy of politicians, NGOs and the media had sickened me and made me angry. It wasn't the other way around.

[–]omegaphallic 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I hope your wrong, I'm tired of Trump.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It's not as if who ever comes after Trump will somehow be better. Politicians are, almost universally, horrible people.

The best you can hope for is to enjoy the insanity ( which I have been, immensely, for the past 20+ years ).

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Cynic! Hope springs eternal.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Misanthrope really.

I'm not sure how anyone paying attention to politics over at least the past 20-30 years can not be a cynic/misanthrope, particularly national politics. They're all pretty horrible people, it's just the expression that changes.

What really does it for me is seeing how horrible these people are, then watching the tribal/herd mentality of people create an US vs THEM mentality, which naturally leads to building up 'Your guy' as amazing, and 'Their guy' as horrible. To willingly fool yourself repeatedly over the course of decades...that takes a special kind of stupid.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's the American political system, its the single worst democract system in the world.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Republic system really, but is it really the worst? We have had centuries of political stability which has led to the strongest economy in the history of the world.

Yes, it's chaotic and messy and ugly, but for all that it works ( somehow ).

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The high levels of poverty, the rampant out of control legal corporate corruption, your often undemocractic results, the gerrymandering of districts, your health-care system is the laughing stock of the industrial world. Even Cubans live longer.

Don't get me wrong I love America, you guys make great porn, but I wish you'd do better and fix your political system.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

K, but you stated that our system is the worst. That is categorically false.

Sure, we have problems. No country is perfect. But as the primary goal of any political system is a healthy economy, I'd say our political system ( for all it's faults ) is a resounding success.

It's worth specifically noting that the "undemocratic results" you alluded to would make sense as we are not a democracy. We're a republic. It'll never be "majority rules", and that's a good thing as most people are fucking morons. You don't want tribal mentality running a nation.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A healthy economy is not the Primary, it's an important one, but not primary.

China has a growing economy, but it's a human rights abusing shit hole (but a lovely, shithole in parts).

A thriving economy is a means to an ends, not an ends.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It's Trudeau who needs the luck, the guy is complete fuck up. I mean he isn't Trump or Premier Doug Ford bad, but he's a fucking lier and hypocrit. But it could be even worse, we could have your leader.

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[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There is no evidence Trump cares about Men's Rights. As for Trudeau, I didn't vote for him and won't be in the coming election. I'll be voting NDP, even though I don't like the leader.

I'm not willing to let everything burn just to make a point. I'm MRA, but I know electing right-wing dick heads will hurt far more men (women and children) then voting left and having to deal with some stupid feminist shit. It's basic math, the right goes after the poor and the sick and anyone weaker then them. No thanks.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Betsy Davos gets credit for that, not Trump.

That is one thing.

The NDP will provide free Dentalcare, Visioncare, and Pharmacare for all Canadians. That will help millions if Canadian men.

And Trump is no MRA, the fucker called Mexican men rapists, he had no problem calling for the death penalty for men that were innocent. His policies have hurt countless men.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I know a lot of men who will benifit from these things, do men not have teeth, eyes, and require medicine? This isn't a gendered issue, the tax collectors aren't going to check if you have a dick. The Tex increase is on the rich, most men won't pay anything.

And pointing our fact isn't shilling, its informing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In a very real way, hit pieces like this will help Trump get re-elected.

Not by people of color or women. Both groups moved away from Trump in 2018, relative to 2016. There's nothing in the universe that will bring those groups back to him, and nothing short of a handwave by God that will bring them back to the GOP.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't really matter. Candidates don't win the presidency, they lose it and whatever's left is who we're stuck with.

Trump didn't win in 2016 so much as Clinton lost. Given the debates last week, I strongly suspect the same thing is going to happen in 2020.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That election was clearly stolen. And a ton of Trump's lackeys have been going to jail because of exactly that. It's only a matter of time before it catches up to him. I mean, he literally invited the Russians to interfere on national television. If this had been Barack Obama a special prosecutor would have found him guilty so fast he'd accidentally go back in time and throw Obama in a Federal prison before he was born.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Clearly? So clearly that mueller found nothing related to election meddling? So clear that no evidence has been presented yet as to this theft on a national scale?

What evidence do you have that no one in law enforcement or congress has which allows you to make such a grand statement? Can I see it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL he found nothing? He's thrown people in prison for election meddling! WTF!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh? Do tell.

[–]EsraYmssik 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL! OP seems to think there's some essential difference between a group of men and women trying to raise awareness of mens' issues, and a bunch of guys trying to get laid. /s

[–]Rethgil 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By the way, notice how often women like these try to paint male anger as 'bad' and having no justification, while feminist anger is 'good'.

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually think the OPPOSITE is true. And many agree with me.

Its because of scumbag hardline feminists and Hilary, and how she adopted their views, that meant many men had enough of their rights being taken away and being smeared as 'bad', which meant Trump got some extra people voting for him because they felt he was the only one who wasnt going to further erode men's human rights.

Feminism and Hilary helped Trump get elected. No surprise that, yet again, they are now trying to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet between Trump and Clinton, Clinton was the one who was going to make Selective Service gender neutral (the Democrats already passed the bill and had it waiting for her to sign when she got in). I doubt Clinton would do much against us. Obama tried and the men's rights brand exploded in popularity under his watch.

Our brand is suffering horribly under Trump's revenge-on-women agenda, just like feminism suffered under their war-on-men agenda under Obama.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill forum was set up in 2012 by a Reddit user named “pk_atheist” – later revealed to be former Republican lawmaker Robert Fisher. Since then it has become one of the more notorious spaces in the “manosphere” – a loose online coalition of men’s rights activists (MRAs), ‘pick-up artists’ and other male supremacists.

Awww... it's so cute when the fat, angry lesbians use the trendy new internet words!

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

FUCK THAT SHIT, I was on here reluctantly endorsing Hillary Clinton, and I'm Canadian. I can't believe those fuckers are trying to blame that Orange Turd Trump on us!!!

[–]Blutarg 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You darn Canadians, bribing voters with bacon and hockey pucks!

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You found me out, drats. Well if you won't accept Canadian Bacon and Hockey Pucks, what about a pet Beaver and Moose?

[–]perplexedm 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol. "MRAs and other male supremacists". Shaming saga will continue till they have to join us in equality movement.

[–]Blutarg 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"They all look the same to me!"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL it reminds me of how Muslims and Islamist extremists all look the same to the American religious right.

[–]fgrsentinel 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think if memory serves I heard that something like 13% of Trump's supporters in the 2016 election were people who voted for Obama in 2008-2012. I wouldn't say it was "angry MRAs" that helped Trump into office. It was disillusioned Democratic voters. Passing this off as "woman-hating white men" getting him into office is beyond disingenuous. It's nothing more than a propaganda piece and an attempt to discredit the MRM.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

beyond disingenuous

well, its feminists we are talking about. What to expect, really?

[–]Tinnitus_Maximouse 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A cursory query on google into these writers told me just about everything I needed to know, both feminist activists, and I would wager both past participants in some gender studies course at their university.

Their use of watchwords was quite telling to me "Manosphere" and "Red Pill" come across as clueless of the subject they are discussing.

I would class myself as somewhat an MRA, but I'm not angry, I'm most certainly not Anti Female, I just think that feminism of today is very clearly anti Male.

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