I've chosen to start this discussion here, rather than in r/TheRedPill, because I believe that the bitterness/anger phase of swallowing the pill prevents good discussion of this topic.

Often, the "good" and "bad" traits of women are a topic of discussion. The concept of good traits necessitates that there are "best" traits, and this leads to the conclusion that an "ideal" woman can exist.

Now let me be clear, I'm not talking about Unicorns. They're make believe. I'm talking about the idea of a woman who possess the beginnings of the traits that a man desires, and then is successfully led by her man to becoming exactly what he wants. Women who are intelligent, independent (in that they can take care of themselves when necessary without needing to ask you how to do something every time they do it), submissive to their captain, physically perfect or near so, committed to maintaining and bettering themselves for you, self aware and aware of both the redpill and the fact that they would like a redpill man, nurturing, socially adept, virginal before you, now sexually exploratory, and fully aware of your complete and utter dominance.

Now lets talk about love. Men love a woman. Woman love how men make them feel. I refuse to believe that love is a nonexistent emotion, but I also refuse to submit fully to it as many have before and been fucked for. I suppose this is the first point up for discussion. A man who knows how to run his relationship can allow himself to feel love, as long as he maintains frame always and knows that he cannot let this emotion cloud his judgement.

Love is not oneitis. You can love a woman while understanding that, if she fucks up, you can always find another of equal value, or greater value with more youth.

Never get married, obviously, I'm not that fucking stupid. But a "permanent" LTR situation can be beneficial in the support and regularity it provides, especially if your woman is the "ideal" woman. I would argue that an LTR is only called for upon creation of this "ideal" woman. Family structures existed like this for a long time, pretty much until recently, with permanent or semi permanent relationships being the building blocks of families. Families are important, to me, to society, and I believe to any of you that also have them. They are unachievable without the correct partner.

What I'd like to hear thoughts on are the following: can an "ideal" woman be created, are love and oneitis invariably tied together, and can LTR game lead to what I'm going to call "permanent" game, as I'm loathe to call it "married" game.

It is also worth noting that I don't have a particular girl in mind. This is not me being blinded by oneitis and trying to justify it. This is theory plain and simple.