The Red Pill – A Nice Guy Gone Extreme?

Eurasianpersuasion01 · 2016-06-02T10:19:00+00:00

The Red Pill has some grains of truth and I would argue that the principles in their purest form are worth learning. However, most of TRP is pure garbage, it's full of men who are obviously insecure about their own masculinity and have become extremely bitter.

Some of them find success with their sexual strategy, however they only really attract the type of girls who respond to their manipulation. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They believe all girls are backstabbing gold-diggers so they end up attracting those exact types. I don't think they even realise that they are stuck in a lower echelon of relationship based on validation seeking and power games. It's quite sad really.

That being said, women like that do exist and it is important to be able to protect yourself. Sexual strategy is a very real phenomenon and you have to be aware of how the game is played. Just as the title suggests, I feel like the majority of red-pillers were once "Nice Guys" who have gone to the opposite end of the spectrum, instead of being naive, they have become bitter. Both mindsets are equally as destructive.

AdenintheGlaven · 2016-06-02T08:55:35+00:00

Honestly it's core tenets are pretty good (don't settle for being a provider, lift, dress well, have ambition, take initiative) but there's so much garbage and negativity about women that doesn't reflect my own experiences.

that-freakin-guy · 2016-06-02T07:03:15+00:00

This hits the nail on the head. Every guy I've met in person that's a red piller is a guy that can get laid on a hit or miss basis. They are not "attractive" people in the sense that their personalities are garbage. They go into a room and overtly try to act alpha/dominant. They walk around and strut their stuff trying to be the coolest, negging everyone in the room while trying to assert themselves. This plan works pretty well until (1) they're matched up with a guy that is inherently confident, or (2) the girl finally sees through their bullshit. The red pill is a temporary fix for a huge problem: the person's personality. Rather than trying to fix what's wrong with them, they rationalize and project their problems, insecurities, and misinterpretations of the world onto women, because it of course must be the woman's fault that they're not getting laid. It's not that their personality is garbage, that they only want sex, etc.

If you go into a club thirsty for pussy, it shows. Odds are, you won't get laid. If you go into a club thirsty for a good time, that also shows. Most times in these situations, I got laid. Why? I wasn't trying to hook up, I was trying to enjoy myself and a girl just happened to get caught up in my tornado. Why do you think guys in relationships don't have trouble getting attention from women? Because they aren't trying to get any, they're just there to have fun.

The red pill is a cancer, and the people super into it are generally just inherently unattractive. They may look good, but their personality is usually garbage. They'll try anything to shoot you down, and if you sit there and laugh long enough, the girl will come to you without you even trying because their insecurities just bleed out from their pores. The biggest warning I give people is to get out of that shit hole while they can.

This is why a huge part of seduction for men and women involves hitting the gym, because the better you feel about yourself, the more comfortable you can feel around others. When you feel bad, you want others to feel bad because misery loves company. When others feel bad, you just have to feel a little bit less bad than the other person and you're golden. And what happens when you meet someone that just never feels as bad as you? You're at a stalemate, and you're going home alone.

Just my two cents.

mimunto · 2016-06-02T16:24:47+00:00

First, I agree with everything Eurasianpersuasion01 wrote. Second, while the article does try to understand the redpillers (to a degree), it still has a lot of hypicritical accusations.

They (nice guys) subconsciously do these thing so they can get laid

Where is the proof to back this up? Does the author also think that these guys only are nice to their parents, friends, co-workers, random strangers etc. to get laid or other favors? But let's say they really are, then so what? It doesn't make the world a worse place, quite contrary. You might call it dishonest, but then so is make-up or nice clothes you wouldn't normally wear. And so is being more polite to your mother-in-law because you want to make a good impression. Or your boss. Etc.

If a nice guy listens to a friend's problems, try to help them, buy the first round of beer for the other guys and generally treats them well, then we appreciate it. We wouldn't try to analyze his motives and conclude that he's actually an evil/pathetic manipulator. We would say thanks, return the favor and be there for him if he needs it just like he was for us. If we just took everything for granted, WE would be the cunts, not him. In a similar way, if a love-struck girl bend herself head-over-heels for an abusive guy, then we wouldn't chastize her, but the guy.

THIS is not removing the woman from the pedestal. It is putting her at the top of it.

The nice, but inexperienced/insecure, guy isn't just taken advantage of by a few girls. It is not all, but it is the norm. It's not obvious and extreme, but just tiny "fuck you's" that pile up over the years. She expects him to pay, but won't say thanks for it. She'll talk about her problems extensively, but looses interest immediately if he shares any of his. She arrives late, but gives no apology for it. She'll have him drive to some place near her, but will often get offended if he asks her to come to a place near him. Etc. This might be "shit tests", but even if that's the case, it doesn't make it any less immoral.

Now, I'm not saying women are inherently immoral. They have their moral vices as well as their virtues. However, everybody wants to prize their virtues while denying their vices. But these frustrated nice guys never see the virtues as they're rejected immediately. Instead, they see how their kindness are constantely abused. As they acquire more alpha traits, and becomes a bit more self-serving, they're experience a complete change in women's attitude to them. Some women might get offended, but a others are attracted and nobody treats them like a doormat. How is it surprising that they develop the worldview they do?

In my case, a girl feel in love with me even when I was extremely nervous, inexperienced and suffered from all sorts of shit. She never cared about the alpha status or what I could provide, but only wanted to be with me and make me happy. That's my biggest argument against the claim that "all girls" are self-serving. However, that's not the arguments these newly turned redpillers are met with. Nobody adresses their actual claims. Instead they accuse them of not getting laid, being insecure or otherwise attacking their "alpha" status. By doing this, people like the author doesn't achieve anything other than confirming the belief that being "alpha" is everything that matters.

Title	The Red Pill – A Nice Guy Gone Extreme?
Author	TheMistryWriter
Upvotes	0
Comments	7
Date	June 2, 2016 6:26 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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