The real problem with beta/chode game.

recyclablebanthas · 2018-01-26T10:16:25+00:00

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....the fundamental problem with beta/chode game..... attempts to build attraction without taking any risks. It's always indirect and always has some sort of plausible deniability where the girl can never really call you out on anything.

Not quite.

Do people need to make a move? Of course. We agree on this. But this idea that it's not "game" unless one is taking risks.....I guess it all depends on what one considers "risks."

And taken too far, this risk-seeking is the same mindset that leads to issues like what got Julian Blanc banned from a few countries.

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At this point, it's not controversial to say that girls need some plausible deniability because otherwise you'll shoot yourself in the foot. So it's not bad to have deniability.

It doesn't mean you can't be very direct in showing interest in someone. It doesn't mean that you can't stick your neck out there or take some risks. And of course you can't just play it safe.

But some element of plausible deniability is absolutely necessary.

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It's not necessary to do things that require you to be "called out." In today's environment, I can't imagine a better way to shoot yourself in the foot.

We all need to be developing our social awareness. THAT'S the best way out of being a "beta."

It's not that we all need to be taking risks and pushing the envelope and getting people to call us out. And it's not that we need to be playing it safe. The answer is NEVER a one-size fits all.

It's that we need to know when to play it safe and when to take risks. We can only know that by developing awareness of people and social skills, overall. You do that by doing things like going out and interacting with people and actively listening to them.

DimitriT · 2018-01-26T00:17:59+00:00

Beta male is not the same as chode. Alpha male is the guy who is the leader of the pact and it's means that the guy has an attractive trait. He has the first pick. But leader position is not permanent! I can outalpha anybody when it comes to talking to people (I was a salesman). But when it comes to stuff I know nothing about, I'd rather let somebody else lead. So I will lay back and let other people decide for me. It does not mean that being beta is bad... For example, when I'm in a foreign country meeting a girl, I will always end up being beta to the locals. Locals know the language and know everything locally. I'd rather let them decide what to do and where to go, it will be more fun. But I will end up getting the girl because my uniqueness outweighs the alphaness of other guys. But a chode is basically a guy who does not have any social skills at all. So for me it's a really big difference between Beta and Chode. Chode is always a beta but beta does not have to be a chode.
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where the girl can never really call you out on anything.

I use this all the time. If she has a big car I say shit like "You like big things". If she calls me out on it then I will deny it and call her dirty minded. I don't want girls who is this stupid and literal anyway. But usually they end up overthinking everything I say. And If I push her to hard I can always deny it and do a step back. She is already used to it. It's called flirting I think.
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He has to play it safe and never put himself out there

If I don't want to fuck the girl I will play it safe. Sometimes is has the opposite effect and backfires because it will turn them on even more. Some guys use this method to attract the girls. They play it cool.
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The thing I agree with is Chodes are basically guys who do not know how to read the situation and they don't know what to do. They miscalculated interaction and do things off sync with bad order. And maybe they even do things with wrong intention and incongruence. Basically they are not experienced in talking with other people and they probably come across as annoying. That's what a chode is.
The super lame part is when girl does not want to fuck and tries her best to be friendly with a guy without hurting him but he doesn't get the point and still tried to sex her. That's where all the r/niceguys/ comes from.

2018-01-25T21:14:20+00:00

Yes.

ImJustSo · 2018-01-25T22:27:10+00:00

I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. Please elaborate, because this is a confusing post otherwise. Beta/chode game?

narcissistic889 · 2018-01-26T01:47:27+00:00

That's so dumb any girl knows that most guys who go out of their way to talk to them especially on the street are interested in them. If they try and be friends with you it's because they aren't attracted regardless of how you go about it trying to be "alpha" people try to be kind and will let you down gently without embarrassing you by dropping hints. If you come on strong it gives you a faster no and that's it.

Title	The real problem with beta/chode game.
Author	ethical_pa
Upvotes	19
Comments	9
Date	January 25, 2018 7:26 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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