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Is getting rejected decent amount normal?

Awnl1

November 3, 2018

4 upvotes

/r/seduction

My friends are surprised how good my game is and been only going out maybe 4 times and how I make the girls laugh at the clubs but I can’t seem to pull or create attraction and one of my friend said maybe I need to kino more. They always seem like they are never interested in me. I always see other guys pulling girls and taking them home or whatever. So far I am having no success, is this normal for new guys like me not to have any success until maybe I get rejected more and approach more? I mean I maybe only approached 10-12 girls out of those 4 days (taking baby steps) and I am a 20 year old Korean and when I get rejected I always feel like it’s maybe cause I am Asian, maybe this is a bad mindset to have? Rejection hurts but I still feel happy putting myself out there and seriously want to improve my game with my friends.

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Title	Is getting rejected decent amount normal?
Author	Awnl1
Upvotes	4
Comments	16
Date	November 3, 2018 3:32 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/9tuzwo/is_getting_rejected_decent_amount_normal/
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[–]Freevoulous 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

[–]injesterstrust 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I'd be surprised if Mystery was actually able top BANG better than like 1 in 20 girls he approaches. People like to think game is some magical mind trick where you can bang any girl you want, but 95% of it is out of your control. YOu can't make her find you sexually attractive.

Mystery's skill is that he is likely able to 'hook' a very high percentage of his sets due to his routines and stuff, but most of the time, he's not gonna have the girls wanting to bang him tbh. Don't believe the hype. I've seen infields of him getting killed by young college girls despite his belief that 'game' is all that matters.

Making them laugh etc is a good start, though. Shows that you likely aren't creeping them out and they don't think you're weird etc, but no matter how good your game is, if the girl simply isn't into you, there's nothing you can do about that, so don't stress.

It's pointless comparing yourself to others when trying to measure 'game', because lots of the time, 'game' is only a small element of it. I know some girls who will ONLY hook up with black dudes. A white guy could run some 10/10 level game on her and she wouldn' be interested (these are white girls I know by the way). And i've seen them bang black dudes who had ZERO game.

Some girls only want 'handsome' guys and it's VERY hard (impossible, in fact) for an ugly dude to bang them. ESPECIALLY on a cold approach.

Some girls really don't seem to care much about looks (thank God!!) I'm talking about hot gilrs, too! I know this because i'm ugly and i've banged some of them lol

Try to aim for like 20 approaches per night, too. Get some statistical significance going!

Accepting that it's largely out of your control is honestly so liberating and it's REDUCED my stress about all of this 'game' stuff quite a lot. (which ironically helped my 'inner game' which then likely improved my sub communications making me slightly more attractvce and relaxed in set) All of the negs and DHV stories and lines and theories etc only account for a very small percentage of your chances with any particular girl. Learning about game is cool but don't fall into the trap of thinking it's the black magic that the people who sell you this stuff want you to believe.

[–]Freevoulous -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I doubt Mystery only had 1 in 20 bang score. Even I had a higher score in my days and Im not a world class PUA ;)

But it IS a numbers game, as you said. Approach 20 girls each day of the weekend, plus some day game in the week, and online game, and you will have a good roster of girls.

Because in the end, this is what it is about! Not banging 1000 of girls in a row of one night stands, but rather have a roster of 3-5 fuckbuddies or open-relationship girlfriends, and know you can get sex almost on demand from at least one of them.

And once inevitably one of your girls flakes out, you know you can pick another one.

I also very much disagree with you about the "impossible" girls. There are no girls who only hook up with a certain kind of dudes fundamentally. All girls are gameable, but with some it makes no logical sense to waste time and energy. Give me a girl who says she ONLY fucks handsome young black dudes, and I am very likely to actually bed her. But the time and effort wasted on her could be used on 30 other girls!

[–]Awnl1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Freevoulous 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Awnl1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Freevoulous 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]injesterstrust 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Even I had a higher score in my days and Im not a world class PUA

That's kind of the point. Your PUA skill is fairly irrelevant in my experience. I often do things by the book and neg, tease, DHV, disqualify myself etc etc, and the girl is simply not into me. No amount of 'game' will work if you aren't her type (like the black guy/handsome guy thing etc I mentioned.)

Similarly, one of my best friends is VERY handsome (the IOI's he gets are honoestly ridiculous) and even though he doesn't really have 'game', i'd happily put him up again mystery or basically any other PUA when it comes to banging hot young girls to be honest (I find younger girls are often more superficial and looks matter more than game, whereas with older women, game seems to work better and they don't seem as concerned about looks, I guess because they know their own looks have faded lol)

There are people out there i've spoken too on game forums who believe that you can be 4ft, 100 years old with no arms, and if you have 'Game' you can bang a 10/10 cheerleader on her 18th birthday at will. I don't know if that's your view too, but i think we'll have to agree to disagree about just how powerful 'game' is from the sounds of it. I subscribe to the mark Manson philosophy personally. I think 'game' is about turning 'maybe girls' into yes girls/. 'No girls' simply can't be got. If she's not remotely into you (based on looks or whatever) then all the negs, and teases and DHV stories will be for naught

[–]Freevoulous 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]injesterstrust 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Awnl1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]StatusTry 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Freevoulous -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

some easy tips:

BODY

stand tall. Apply this trick: imagine there is a string pulling at the top of your head, and try to lift it up
take up space. Arms wide, knees apart, take the best seats available and spread your body on it. Imagine you are a lazy tomcat, taking the most comfy spot and melting all over it.
do not lean in, let other lean into you. Do not gesticulate in front of you but wider tot he sides.
non-invasive touch. "Invisible" kino is part of body language. The trick is to make it non-obvious, like something you do subconsciously. Grab her hand to lead her, grab her arm to get her attention, push gently at the small of her back to make her move. It should last no longer that a few seconds, AND DO NOT LOOK AT YOUR HAND while doing it.

VOICE

speak loud but without shouting. Imagine speaking in ALL CAPS rather than yelling. Makes sense?
Speak in your lowest comfortable voice
speak slowly. With emphasis on important words, especially those evoking emotions. Use.Dramatic. Diction.And.....meaningful....pauses.
use hand gestures, especially if others break your flow or try to interject (gentle "stop" gesture, without looking at them or your hand)
keep strong eye contact with your listeners, but switch from one person to another. Sweep the group with your gaze.

CONFIDENCE:

don't let them interview you, but rather tell them stories and engage in conversation that shows you in a good light. Deflect questions you do not like to answer.
resist all but simplest requests. Girl gestures at you to pass her a glass a cross the table? Pass it over, but tease her about it for a split second. She asks you to BUY her a drink? Tell her you are not that kind of a guy, and she has to entertain you a bit first ;)
when another guy is mean to you and tries to pull Alpha on you, act like he is your old friend. Call him on his bullshit, but in a friendly way, like you want to solve his problem rather than hurt him with your words.
"pull the nerds up". If there are non-confident men or ugly women in the group, give them your attention, friendliness and include them in the conversation. Let them demonstrate their value and appreciate it. Easiest way to appear as a confident "Good Guy".
be willing to randomly walk away, like you just don't care if they like you or not. Of course, come back later, as if nothing happened.
laugh at other people's jokes, ask questions and comment on their stories, and make sure you look like you LISTEN

[–]StatusTry 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Buullred 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Awnl1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link