Ruined franchises and existential lonliness

veganzomby · 2024-09-20T10:24:28+00:00

Forget ruined franchises, TV shows which are more powerful than movies started showing males especially father characters as plain idiots, this goes back to 90s. I wonder if the producers were men calling all the shots back then why on earth they would allow self-degradation of their own gender?

Only thing that comes to my mind is to cater to the women audience who would find it funny that their husbands can't even change the toilet paper. It has always been about money and profits then and now.

CP_Chronicler · 2024-09-20T16:47:38+00:00

Someone mentioned no role models… be one yourself!

Star Wars came out in the 1970s at a time when society at large was telling you that everything was corrupt, antiheroes ruled movies, the president of the US was corrupt and impeached for it, nothing was sacred and there was no point in having dreams of a future.

Lucas’ goal with Star Wars was to push back against that and assert positive values for society in the form of space-fantasy mythology.

We’re in the same place now. Extremism claims that democracy is corrupt, an entire wing of American politics runs purely on fear and aggression with no vision of a future at all, no optimism.

Star Wars isn’t here to save us now, nor are movies, so seek these things out in society. Who has a positive message for the future? Where does idealism and hope thrive? These aren’t all gone, they’re just not in the mainstream at the moment. So you’ve got to do the work.

Reread or rewatch Lord Of The Rings. Read some poetry. Meditate. Volunteer in your community. Watch a fairytale Disney movie. If these things seem juvenile or abhorrent to you, then question why that is.

Understand that society is shaped into what we want it to be. Fairytales exist not to promise happily-ever-after but to assert that dreams and idealism are worth striving for. Star Wars was a distillation of a couple thousand years of human mythology, all of which asserted in some fashion that faith and goodness and empathy is worth striving for in society. So find strength in the knowledge that even if movies or politics aren’t fully in that place now, humankind has time and again expressed that those values are what it wants for a functioning society.

SidewaysGiraffe · 2024-09-20T19:43:00+00:00

We don't want "to be part of" a "manhating and corrupt" mainstream culture; we want to be less disconnected from our culture and one another. Separating from that, not connecting with it, leaves us MORE isolated, not less. It's easy to look on a corrupted and ruined franchise and think "You're better off away from this", and that's not wrong, but the idea of walking away from everything is something not everyone can do- and the idea of refusing to deeply connect with anything is just more Stoic nonsense. Neither is a route to mental health.

I'm an autist with some pretty hefty PTSD; isolation doesn't bother me like it does normal people, and I STILL see the effects of it in myself; seeing what it does to others just requires opening a newspaper and turning to the obituaries.

You need to build yourself up quite a bit before you can stand on your own; encouraging people (especially but not exclusively men) to socially blow town before they're ready to endure it is just irresponsible. Humans are pack animals; being part of something doesn't mean subordinating yourself to it.

ChargeProper · 2024-09-20T11:19:16+00:00

I'm not a Starwars fan but definitely a geek fanboy.

This idea you have about detaching is overblown. You should not be codependent on things like fandom to an unhealthy degree, I agree with that but there is no reason not to want to be part of a larger culture, atleast by nature, its why identity matters, its all key to how we survive as humans. Identifying with something that makes you part of a larger group of similar people, is a survival mechanism.

It's why we are tribal by nature as humans, sure the companies that made what we love and identify with screwed us over to please someone else, but that doesn't mean we stop engaging full stop.

There just needs to be better communities and churches for lack of a better term to engage in and be part of.

Before these franchises were ruined, before they became mainstream, they were under control of the fanboys and enthusiasts who were passionate and built things that ignited that fire within those of us who loved those hobbies.

That isn't gone, we just let corporations that don't care for us take control and pander to these wokie parasites, who don't even care about what they remake.

The way I see it, we should build our own things once again,our own communities and hold on to them, and keep things on our terms.

The franchises we had to lose along way, are collapsing, let them collapse, let the parasites lose their host, let the corporate buzzards take flight, and from that, we build a new.

Aside from all that, this is a men's rights issue I agree. We build thngs for ourselves and we should be able to keep them, the mainstream is indeed anti male and doesn't want us to have anything.

What we enjoy isn't just fun, it inspires us and helps us make meaning of our lives, and gives us tribes to socialise and build roots, things that are natural and healthy especially for the human male.

You are right to say its a men's rights issue.

Title	Ruined franchises and existential lonliness
Author	Vaudeville_Clown
Upvotes	11
Comments	12
Date	September 20, 2024 9:37 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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