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Is campus sexual assault a one-time problem or a serial problem?Thoughts?

AdSpecial7366

September 22, 2024
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Title Is campus sexual assault a one-time problem or a serial problem?Thoughts?
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AdSpecial7366

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Comments 15
Date September 22, 2024 6:49 AM UTC
(1 year ago)
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[–]WeEatBabies 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good, now do one on serial false accusers!

[–]Current_Finding_4066 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

First I want to hear if this researcher is another moron who thinks having drunken sex is automatically rape if you are a man.

If he is, then the "study" is less than worthless.

[–]test_code_in_prod 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well any sexual assault is a problem no matter who the perpetrator or victim is.

[–]AdSpecial7366[S] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agree!

[–]phoenician_anarchist 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (5 children) | Copy Link

  1. Paywall.

  2. As far as I understand, rape in general is more likely to be a serial offence, which is something that Feminists exploit as they often conflate "number of rapes" and "number of rapists" in order to construct part of their "rape culture" narrative.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As far as I understand, rape in general is more likely to be a serial offence, which is something that Feminists exploit as they often conflate "number of rapes" and "number of rapists" in order to construct part of their "rape culture" narrative.

Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, this seems wrong. If rape were to be a serial offense then the number of rapists would be less than the number of rapes, perhaps by quite a bit.

[–]phoenician_anarchist 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If rape were to be a serial offense then the number of rapists would be less than the number of rapes, perhaps by quite a bit.

Yes.

If a rapist does 10 rapes, you can still only put one rapist in prison; Feminists would take these numbers and claim "only 10% of rapists go to prison" and demand that 9 more "rapists" also go to prison.

[–]AdSpecial7366[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://sci-hub.se/10.1177/1077801219833820

[–]AdSpecial7366[S] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

As far as I understand, rape in general is more likely to be a serial offence, which is something that Feminists exploit as they often conflate "number of rapes" and "number of rapists" in order to construct part of their "rape culture" narrative

Okay, so there are two positions on this:

  1. The first position is backed by feminists such as Mary Koss, where they have drawn the "blurry" lines of consent and expanded the definition of the rape ridiculuously to make virtually everyone a rapist and they enforce the narratives of "rape culture" and "teach men not to rape". Also, they refuse to acknowledge female-to-male victims of rape.
  2. The second position is backed by people like David Lisak who have, although shown that the acquaintance rape is mostly committed by serial rapists, he has discounted the fact that the definition of rape used in legal system is entirely different from his definition of rape and it makes many innocent men being the victims of rape allegations as he is an advocate for erosion of due process in rape convictions and also downplays false allegations of rape. Along with that he and his student Jim Hopper are also the proponents of "false memory theory" which has already been debunked.

So, neither of these positions are good for innocent men alleged of rape.

[–]Vegetable_Ad1732 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Um, isn't this an anti-feminist finding? I mean they used to say rape was serially committed by a small number of men. Feminists said no, a lot of men are rapists, not a small number. So lots of serial rapists means few men rape. Oh, those that do rape really go to town, but there are fewer of them.

[–]sakura_drop 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The issue with this particular topic is that the initial research on the matter was dubious (or rather, bogus) to begin with, not to mention intentionally biased:

 

The campus rape industry’s central tenet is that one-quarter of all college girls will be raped or be the targets of attempted rape by the end of their college years (completed rapes outnumbering attempted rapes by a ratio of about three to two). The girls’ assailants are not terrifying strangers grabbing them in dark alleys but the guys sitting next to them in class or at the cafeteria.

This claim, first published in Ms. magazine in 1987, took the universities by storm. By the early 1990s, campus rape centers and 24-hour hotlines were opening across the country, aided by tens of millions of dollars of federal funding. Victimhood rituals sprang up: first the Take Back the Night rallies, in which alleged rape victims reveal their stories to gathered crowds of candle-holding supporters; then the Clothesline Project, in which T-shirts made by self-proclaimed rape survivors are strung on campus, while recorded sounds of gongs and drums mark minute-by-minute casualties of the "rape culture." A special rhetoric emerged: victims' family and friends were "co-survivors"; "survivors" existed in a larger "community of survivors."

If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to "one-in-five to one-in-four"—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions. No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience. Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely. The nation’s nearly 10 million female undergrads would need to take the most stringent safety precautions. Certainly, they would have to alter their sexual behavior radically to avoid falling prey to the rape epidemic.

None of this crisis response occurs, of course—because the crisis doesn't exist. During the 1980s, feminist researchers committed to the rape-culture theory had discovered that asking women directly if they had been raped yielded disappointing results—very few women said that they had been. So Ms. commissioned University of Arizona public health professor Mary Koss to develop a different way of measuring the prevalence of rape. Rather than asking female students about rape per se, Koss asked them if they had experienced actions that she then classified as rape. Koss's method produced the 25 percent rate, which Ms. then published.

Koss's study had serious flaws. Her survey instrument was highly ambiguous, as University of California at Bereley social-welfare professor Neil Gilbert has pointed out. But the most powerful refutation of Koss’s research came from her own subjects: 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn't been raped. Further—though it is inconceivable that a raped woman would voluntarily have sex again with the fiend who attacked her—42 percent of Koss’s supposed victims had intercourse again with their alleged assailants.

 

Take particular note of the second quoted paragraph re. how ludicrous these alleged numbers actually are. Also take note of the source of all this, feminist public health Professor Mary P. Koss, who has served as an advisor to the CDC, the FBI, and Congress and is no stranger to the people here. In a 1993 paper she wrote, Detecting the Scope of Rape: A Review of Prevalence Research Method, she had this to say on male rape victims of female perpetrators:

 

Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.

(Pg. 206)

 

And years later during a 2015 interview on a radio programme by reporter Theresa Phung:

 

Theresa Phung: "Dr. Koss says one of the main reasons the definition does not include men being forced to penetrate women is because of emotional trauma, or lack thereof."

Dr. Koss: "How do they react to rape. If you look at this group of men who identify themselves as rape victims raped by women you'll find that their shame is not similar to women, their level of injury is not similar to women and their penetration experience is not similar to what women are reporting."

Theresa Phung: "But for men like Charlie this isn't true. It's been eight years since he got off that couch and out of that apartment. But he says he never forgets."

Theresa Phung: "For the men who are traumatized by their experiences because they were forced against their will to vaginally penetrate a woman.."

Dr. Koss: "How would that happen...how would that happen by force or threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How does that happen?"

Theresa Phung: "So I am actually speaking to someone right now. his story is that he was drugged, he was unconscious and when he awoke a woman was on top of him with his penis inserted inside her vagina, and for him that was traumatizing."

Dr. Koss: "Yeah."

Theresa Phung: "If he was drugged what would that be called?"

Dr. Koss: "What would I call it? I would call it 'unwanted contact'."

Theresa Phung: "Just 'unwanted contact' period?"

Dr. Koss: "Yeah."

[–]AdSpecial7366[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I know about the bogus and misandrist studies by Mary P. Koss. A striking characteristic of feminazis like her is that they use the notion of acquaintance rape and its myths to show the inflated no. of rapes.

https://www.aaets.org/traumatic-stress-library/perspectives-on-acquaintance-rape

[–]Alarming_Draw1 point 1 year ago [recovered] | Copy Link

femtroll

[–]Several-Struggle6344 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is weird, do you know any women personally? I live on a college campus and a lot of girls that I have talked to have had this experience. I think that the 1:4 statistic is sexual assault though not rape so I don't know why you're using is. Also why are you using data from 20 - 30 years ago? When I was raped, I tried to find the guy who did it's other victims and one of them was his girlfriend, (so she had had intercourse with him before) and the other two had been in denial until they found out that they weren't the only victims. A lot of victims are. The only male victim I've ever met was the same way - he was drugged and raped by a 19 year old girl when he was 15 and he is still convinced that he is "in love with" her. (His parents response to this was to ground him, not get legal help) It's sad that some people can't acknowledge reality sometimes because of how painful it is.

Anyways, a very good portion of it is serial rapists, mostly men in fraternities and men who play sports when it comes to college. I don't think that any decent women or any woman who had experienced sexual assault would disagree with that. At my old college, the school ignored ten different reported instances of men drugging girls at the frats before they did anything, and it was all happening at the same three frats. Most of the girls didn't even report. Anyways, the school isn't doing anything about this though and those men will probably go one to keep that statistic where is is at just because no one really cares. The issue is that if the school admits that there is a problem, it could dissuade people from wanting to attend the university, so they cover it up and nothing ever gets fixed.

I would implore you to look at statistics for specifically rape. But try and actually find reliable, recent statistics. For that it is 1:5 or 1:6 generally. But for me I'm honestly surprised that this isn't higher. The serial rapist that I knew was able to hurt a couple girls every few weeks. I can't imagine how many victims he has had at this point and none of the girls come forward or report him - only me. It's extremely infuriating how cowardly they have been. One of the girls even had photographic and video evidence and chose to warn no one.

Every girl I talk to on campus has had some kind of bad experience, from sexual assault to rape. But they don't offer this stuff up easily, and most of the time there are not many people that they have told. It's really sad honestly, but I guess they see how colleges usually handle these things and they don't want to even try. I reported two years ago and I'm still trying to get help. Honestly I think disbanding frats would be a huge help even though it would never happen - frat men are way more likely to commit rape. There are even frats on campus that girls and guys have told me not to go to because "they're the ones that assault people" like it's just a casual thing.

"The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience." You stated this and I have to tell you, it's true. More like 15% when it comes to "completed rape", and then the rest is sexual assault. Try and find six college women that you can talk to about this and I guarantee you at least 1 in 6 with have been raped. I know this because it has always been true in my life and for others. Most of the women I know have been assaulted and AT LEAST 1:6 have been raped. This kind of data however is a really hard thing to gather because people's definitions change and reporting is so bad. Please just go talk to real people.

Also addressing that last interview - please show that to a woman. Like a real one. Go out and meet a real woman and be like hey, there is this interview from 20 years ago that says if a man is drugged and forced to have sex than it's not rape, what do you think? She'll tell you that whoever said that is crazy. I've never met any woman who thought that that was ok.

You don't need to waste your life stewing over misinformation from 30 years ago. As a man, you're more likely to be raped than to be falsely accused of rape and the majority of women know this and a sympathetic to it because so many of us have had the same experience. We can deal with this problem together rather than fighting over what someone said in 1987. If you care about sexual assault please go out and try to do something about it.

[–]sakura_drop 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow... a whole bunch of personal alleged anecdotes with nothing factual to back them up, cherry picking the various pieces of data I provided such as the fact that the interview from 20 years ago (it's actually 9) was with a woman who literally influences rape and sexual assault laws in the United States with her bigoted views and bogus studies, and assuming I'm a man - I'm not - who's "stewing over misinformation from 30 years ago" who doesn't know real women. You're on fire!

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