Be stoic or have a blast?

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-04T21:38:28+00:00

Stoicism isn't about being a depressing sap, that's a sure-fire way to not give off abundance mentality. You still need to be cocky+funny, and generally lively. Remember that what women really want from Chad is dopamine hits. Entertainment induces desire. Obviously I'm not saying dance monkey dance, but if you bore her or vice versa, you're not going to get her wet. Only the Chaddest of the Chads can just go up, say 'ey want some fuck bitch' and get her wet. This basically doesn't happen in real life.

If you cannot do this, your Game if fucked and you need some time in Monk Mode to lick your wounds (a phrase I've used 3 times today, no surprise)

In practice: the goal is to be engaged and energised, but laid back about the negativity. When shit hits the fan, be it either a girl you like's not interested or serious shit like a breakup, lost your job, divorce rape, cheating what have you...you hold frame through your own, internal locus of control, observe the external forces surrounding you (the shit on the fan, broken plates, unemployment or what have you) mindfully without judgment or attaching your ego to it as far as you sanely can (amused mastery) and then proceed to your plan B so you can get back up quickly as painlessly as possible. Always have a plan B to move forward from shitty situations.

The most crucial component of stoicism is not aloofness and lack of emotion (lol) but outcome independence, that is release from external attachments which are ultimately transient.

Remember Glover: "You have to be able to let go of the things you have, in order to get the things you really want"

RunawayGrain · 2015-09-04T21:44:14+00:00

Stoic doesn't mean you don't have any emotions, it means you are in control of them.

In my head, a guy who is stoic is not attractive to women, nor is he really attracted to them.

The reason stoic guys are attractive to women, seems to be that people want what they can't have. When a girl finds a man that can't be easily emotionally manipulated, they basically crave the challenge in the way a man might crave a challenging intellectual problem.

Why bother with them when they don't bring me any value?

Sex and companionship. Unless you are stoic to the point of autism, most men want these.

In the words of Kerr Avon:

"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it... at all."

I took that to mean that the most profitable way to show that you care is through actions, not by a meaningless outburst.

trpftw · 2015-09-04T21:36:27+00:00

So the stoic attitude is something I use because it sends the psychological message that they are boring me and must work harder. The message is that I am superior so I don't have to try, they have to try.

Being loud and obnoxious can get very annoying. If you make one mistake you're gonna look like such an idiot. If you make one bad joke you're gonna piss her off. It also sends the message that you are trying really hard to have fun. Like as if you are trying to impress them.

Now, let me clarify something:

You should have a strong voice and shouldn't be quiet. That doesn't mean you need to act like you are having the most amazing time of your life. That's not good.
Loud people who have fun, are attractive, but doing this requires a lot of charisma and you have to genuinely be funny. It can really boost your image.
However, if you mess up this can make you look like an obnoxious douchebag.
Being stoic, confident, aloof, can be beneficial because it sends the message that you have options. It sends psychological message that you don't really care what happens because you don't value them so highly.

Both can be good methods. But I think the being loud/fun guy is a lot more difficult.

It's even better if you can just vary it throughout the night. Be exciting a little at some point, then be aloof/stoic some time later.

rurpe · 2015-09-04T21:48:48+00:00

You don't understand stoicism. It is not about suppressing your emotions, being stone cold, or removing all joy from your life. Who wants to be around that?

Stoicism is a philosophy for life that supposes the primary goal of life is to live in accordance with nature—which is to be a rational, social and virtuous member of humanity.

If you are not having fun and bettering yourself, and the world by extension, what is the point?

Metalaggeddon · 2015-09-04T22:03:58+00:00

This is the third time today. I'm a little annoyed, something should be added to the sidebar about this. In the meantime: you are confusing apathy with stoicism.

Stoicism is about accepting the reality of things. Not about apathy. A true apathetic can't even have goals bro (even to be apathetic or abolish preference) . It's recursively invalid.

The glass is always broken. This is something to internalize, it is the case of objective reality. Everything you interact with, (in a tangible sense) women, love, men, relationships, business, your lawn mower, your wife's vibrator, they are all broken. Maybe not now, but soon.

Things are imperfect. People are imperfect. They will fail, they will skip up, they will eventually provide you a sorry experience. They are not ideal. The world is that way, things end. Accept that. You will die, you will get sick, your body will break.

If you accept that you are only renting your life instead of owning it (ownership implies total control in a purely non religious sense) you have accepted the fact that things fail.

An excerpt from:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3io1mw/metalaggeddons_lesson_5_stoicism_meets_value_how/

By myself, a practicing stoic and analytic philosophy major (going masters). Also raised red as fuck.

Title	Be stoic or have a blast?
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Date	September 4, 2015 9:15 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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