What does a Gen Z man like me REALLY owe society to where he needs to stay alive to preserve it?

2025-11-19T00:35:40+00:00

Do not ask what you owe society. Ask what society owes you.

Take care of yourself and your own interests, disregard everything else and especially what other people expect of you

overzealous_ostrich · 2025-11-19T05:11:34+00:00

That's the thing: Society wants to see a man fail. They don't want to see a man succeed and be happy. You owe them nothing. So let's strive to prosper to the best of our ability despite the circumstances, live to inspire and uplift other men, because the world isn't going to do it for us.

Hefty-Rip-5397 · 2025-11-19T00:13:12+00:00

This isnt the only society. And if its no society you want, nothing stops you from living as solitary as you want. Sure you probably need to hit up a fuel stop or grocery store sometimes but otherwise just hit the woods bro and never come out

805falcon · 2025-11-18T23:47:27+00:00

You don’t owe society a single fucking thing. But that doesn’t mean you should live your life like and entitled and selfish jerk. - be kind to people because it’s the right thing to do - help others whenever you can, but without taking away from yourself in the process - make a point to spread small bits of joy wherever you go. A simple smile towards a stranger can have massive ripple effects on your surroundings.

Beyond the above, you don’t owe anybody anything. Proceed accordingly

Nalyd87 · 2025-11-19T12:51:52+00:00

Society has quickly spiraled into a grimdark hellscape for most of us

Something has went terribly wrong in this world.

organicchemistry1119 · 2025-11-19T04:46:43+00:00

I didn't read all that, but you matter. Don't kill yourself. Find people who care about you.

Recent_Cup_6751 · 2025-11-19T13:20:36+00:00

You do not owe society anything. Society owes you. I hate the whole "Men are bad" and only to be considered as monsters and slaves.

mycroftxxx42 · 2025-11-19T04:50:30+00:00

I’m sorry for the world you’ve inherited. It’s a shame, because there was a time before you were born, 20 years ago, when life here was amazing. There was one culture everyone was a part of, everyone agreed with the people around them, and if you wanted a different opinion you jumped to the next neighborhood or town or state, instead of this disingenuous amalgamation of diversity culture that makes it impossible to stand for anything real. Your dad and mom knew the neighbors and cops and teachers, you’d get a ride home from the neighborhood sheriff if he found you drinking underage, your parents were together and still believed in the sanctity of marriage, you could trust them not to split up, not to cheat, not to abandon you or the family. You’d get together for family movie night or board game night, family dinner every night, maybe your mom coached your soccer team. And moms always put their kids first, so your mom would have done anything to be with you, to spent time with you. That’s the life we all had 20 years ago, back to about 1950 after the war ended. It was a nightmare to see it crumble so fast, but destroying things in anger is easy, which is why it was easy for evil elites to do it to us. To try and crumble what took centuries to build. Generations of toil spent like an inheritance at the casino, and they gamble with our lives and soil the good name of our parents and grandparents’ lives of labor.

But it’s not hopeless, you just don’t have a cause yet. And this is the cause, to get the world we once had in America back. Even if it meant a new flag and a new land, because the only way we will ever get THIS land back is a bloody war, and people will have to die for each other again. But we’ve been conditioned to avoid that by seeing people’s evil and untrustworthiness on display 24/7 on tv and YouTube. I still believe in that dream, and you can fight for it too. You will be unpopular, but if we win, in 40-50 years you’ll be hailed a hero for helping save the West, the way we saluted our warriors for saving the world from Hitler.

I’m with you, we need male spaces, we need testosterone, we need a fighting spirit, don’t let women consume you, get out of the matrix and never come back, they would die without us so do your part to serve while making independence possible with likeminded people, we don’t do this alone we need brotherhood to survive it. A group of 50 men could take this entire nation in a matter of 2 years if they coordinated and really wanted to, so the biggest crime today is that social media makes it impossible to band together for such patriotic causes without threat of violence and outing yourself to millions of enemies while trying to find millions of allies. You can’t broadcast to the enemy and your own team at the same time, you have to have borders of information, so find likeminded guys, work on the foundations of functional society, get as separate from urban feminized culture as possible, get off the social media as much as possible, and make your own rules. Outlaw it for the kids especially, find a good woman in forums about traditionalism or patriotism, if you’re a Bible believing man, find her at church. I found my soon to be wife at Bible college and she’s a Catholic, but she’s raising my kids herself, dressing modestly, and giving herself only to me with loyalty and kind tenderness. Women don’t know how to be feminine anymore, but that doesn’t mean we become feminine in their place, stand up and fight!!

JACSliver · 2025-11-20T19:10:06+00:00

That is the neat thing: you owe such society nothing at all.

Speedy_KQ · 2025-11-19T17:36:54+00:00

Most of the viewpoints you describe are not those of society at large, but of a particular group. Fight against those ideas, but you don't need to feel like the world is out to get you.

Title	What does a Gen Z man like me REALLY owe society to where he needs to stay alive to preserve it?
Author	Try_Again_2495
Upvotes	83
Comments	23
Date	November 18, 2025 11:37 PM UTC (8 months ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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