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Thank you Facebook

adelie42

March 16, 2014

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Title	Thank you Facebook
Author	adelie42
Upvotes	0
Comments	12
Date	March 16, 2014 1:02 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/20iqkr/thank-you-facebook/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/thank-you-facebook.1615454 https://theredarchive.com/post/1615454

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[–]gndn2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]adelie422 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]UglyNeckBeard1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I am generally against all censorship too, but my willingness to fight fire with fire in specific cases actually trumps that a little bit. My logic is thus: cases like facebook censorship were set up as a special tool silence MRM and related descent by a bunch of feminists. (We don't know the details but everything surrounding its initial push was by feminists claiming that if they weren't given power to silence in FB, rapists and the like would take over the place) They have been using their happy little toy to ruin free speech. It initially worked very well to do things like censor pages containing actual rape (and other) statistics not favorable to their threat narrative.

Why would they stop? Why would they want their little abuse toy disassembled? There is only one thing that will give them pause for thought, and that is if their own little creation is turned against their lies. Suddenly it won't seem so perfect or fun any more, because they have a lot of sexist lies that could fall victim to their own creation, and as such if their little censorship toy is applied even handed and justly, they have far far more to loose. Suddenly when feminists become on the receiving end of their censorship tools one of two things happen: 1) the decent people among them (a minority) finally come to realize now that they can empathize with their former victims that censorship is wrong, and turn against such efforts, 2) the rest of them realize grudgingly that their own tools of censorship are now costing them more then they are worth so they must throw them away to proceed.

In these regards I am kind of an "end justifies the means" type. If one group has success in silencing all its dissenters and never gets bitten back by their own silencing tactics and tools, they will never stop. If their monster gets turned against them, then and only then can they be made to see that censorship is wrong (or at least just too dangerous to engage in for those feminist sociopaths who simply can never be made to see wrong in anything they do.) Then we can all go back to having open discourse free of censorship again.

I do strongly respect people who take the "no censorship ever stance" but I feel that if those who profit from it can't be made to suffer from it they simply won't stop. In my book free speech for all always is the goal, but turning tools that thwart that goal against their master is a necessary means to it.

[–]gndn3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]UglyNeckBeard1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I see what you are saying. But it isn't about revenge so much as it is about, these people will never understand why it is wrong, until they have tasted the other end. Then the healing can begin.

I do respect your stance on this, and certainly if it was motivated by vengeance I would agree at the loss of moral high ground. But my, and others, stance is motivated simply to educating the oponent through the only thing that truly teaches, experience.

It is a little like MAD. As sick, twisted, scary, and ridiculous as it is, MAD is the only thing that has actually prevented nuclear wars. When it comes to censorship I firmly believe that as sick, twisted, scary, and ridiculous as it is a MAD situation is the only thing that can stop mass censorship. But obviously that is my stance and not yours.

[–]IS441 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]UglyNeckBeard0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Its not about revenge. It is not about inflicting pain. It is about showing people why doing something is wrong the only way narcissist can understand anything, by when it happens to themselves. It is about MAD as I said above, not revenge.

The US was the first to get nuclear weapons and after it did it dropped them freely on Japan for what was left of the war when it was the only player with them. Then other major powers got nuclear weapons, so MAD went into effect and since then everyone has been extremely hesitant to use nukes because no one wants it to come back to them. Without MAD a lot more nukes would have been used.

Facebook didn't really have much in the way of censorship until feminists whined their way into attaining special censorship privileges. Much like the US at the end of WWII they don't seem to have any problem dropping the resulting bombs on anyone and everyone because they figure they are the only player in town. However, if they can be made to understand that their tool is a double edged sword that they have even more to loose from we can then move onto the MAD stage of things where no one will censor anyone.

It is not about revenge it is about MAD. With mad both sides can end censorship, without MAD they will just keep dropping those bombs.

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[–]adelie421 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link