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Seducing Straight Guys

by narcissus88 | May 09, 2014 | altTRP

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I'm almost exclusively attracted to straight guys. For two reasons. First, the stereotypes often being true, if a guy is manly he's usually straight (or at least bisexual). And even a hint of effeminacy is a turnoff for me. Second, my pleasure is to submit to a handsome, manly guy, and knowing that he's taken cock in the past is a turnoff for me as well.

Anyway these tastes aside, seducing straight guys is an ambition many gay or bi guys have, and I hope we can discuss it openly here and without condemnation.

I would like to know what your strategies are. In particular, have you managed to seduce a guy from the gym? I go to a university gym and the hottest guys I see any day whenever I go out are at my gym. Beats any guy I run into walking around the city or going out at night. But it's quite hard to set something up, even when you're friendly with them. Any advice on how to seduce a guy from the gym.

Open to discussing other strategies too. The most reliable ways are to befriend and get them drunk watching porn, or to have a girl who is willing to help you seduce them to a "threesome" haha.


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Title Seducing Straight Guys
Author narcissus88
Upvotes 1
Comments 27
Date 09 May 2014 08:43 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]dazed11112 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

[–]narcissus88[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not so. I've succeeded a number of times. Very few guys are 100% straight. Many will experiment.

[–]dazed1110 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

i find that very hard to believe, although ive heard of pua seminars for gay guys who want to seduce straight guys. do you know anything about those?

[–]narcissus88[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Never heard of such a thing and wouldn't attend it as I wouldn't attend the straight version either (I'm bi).

It is absolutely possible to seduce a straight guy though but you will have a high failure rate even if you do everything right. The top 3 ways are the two I mentioned, oh I also forgot you can offer them MONEY.

In other countries this can be done much easier because men in certain other countries are more bisexual.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would venture to suggest that one's success-rate with a hot "straight" guy would be as high or higher as with an equally hot "straight" girl. Mine certainly has been.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy

The attraction makes sense, straight guys are practically the epitome of masculine sex appeal. I can certainly understand where the attraction comes from. The problem is its a really bad idea.

The problem is that by the very definition of straight, you can't really have what you want. Of course you could say "Maybe they're just a little Bi and don't know it." or even "Every guy is somewhat bisexual". But that's simply not the case for almost all straight guys. They have never, and likely will never have a pleasurable same sex encounter. If you cross that line you're in for a world of hurt.

The very basis of that masculinity that's so damn sexy is the fact that they will defend that masculinity against any hint of femininity or weakness. Every "straight" guy who's drunkenly hit on me has been what I would call severely lacking in masculinity. The very thing that makes them attractive is why they will not have sex with you.

Then there's the issue of exactly how you'd go about it. This is a case of flying blind like no other because men work hard to keep the threat of being perceived as effeminate or gay in check. This means that if they're not into you they'll show exactly no signs of interest, and even if they are into you they'll show exactly no signs of interest. You're left coming on to every man that you can and hoping that the number who do eventually show interest is worth the number that beat the shit out of you.

Which brings me to my last point. Don't make an ass out of yourself, and don't make gay guys look any more sex crazed than we already do. People are finally coming to terms with the fact that homosexuals might be normal people too, that we're not mental degenerates, that we're able to respect boundaries. Hitting on straight guys is disrespectful. Straight men are your brothers. Enjoy that fraternal bond.

Besides, when the closeted Bi guy does finally realize he'd like to try a man, He'll go right to the one gay guy he knows. Befriend them for long enough and someone is going to try to experiment.

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[–]caius_iulius_caesar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Kinsey report told us 60 years ago that around half of all men do enjoy same-sex encounters. I'm sure that hasn't declined with the mainstreaming of homosexuality and bisexuality.

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[–]contrafagotto1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hitting on straight guys is disrespectful.

Horse shit.

[–]narcissus88[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I don't agree with this. I think this way of thinking is the result of a confusion peculiar to Western society. Most men in the world have historically not considered it gay or effeminate to get a blowjob or even fuck another guy (especially if you consider pederasty, which is so common). Today in much of the third world this is still the case. The distinction made is between whether you're on top or not, not who you're fucking. I don't just know this from books but from my own travels in the Arab world and Latin America and a few other places.

I believe this distinction (active/passive) is more natural than gay/straight, which is made up and doesn't really make sense if you think it through.

That said, I agree with you that in the West men are conditioned not to do anything gay (in part because they think that means taking dick) and that it's VERY DIFFICULT to get them to let me suck them off or fuck me. That it has a high rate of failure, it's risky and even dangerous; but, all these things are points of attraction for me.

It's not impossible to do. There are three main ways. The easiest one to try is to get a guy drunk and seduce him while you both watch porn, but this is also the kind of seduction that has a high rate of failure. The other way is to use a girl to lure them into a threesome, and during that threesome, almost all guys won't mind if you suck them off too, but this is very difficult to pull off because you have to find the right girl to help you. A third way is to pay straight guys, which is what gay men do in most of the rest of the world and what they used to do in the West too before they got priced out of it (rising living standards have made this option VERY expensive with white guys in the West). But you can do this in many other countries.

I don't have much sympathy for your argument RE how I make gay guys look. I don't really care how they look, I don't consider myself part of a community or a movement, and I think actually most negative stereotypes about gay guys are true, and in fact most are not normal people. I don't think it's disrespectful to offer pleasure and basically to worship another guy, and thinking it's "disrespectful" is also what betas think about using game to "manipulate" hot women. I also find it illogical to pursue gay guys for reasons you seem to realize as well. It's not that none of them are masculine, but so few are, that when my other requirements for getting turned on come into play (I only like young, muscular, handsome guys), the number of gay guys who fit this profile approaches 0. And if any gay guy does approach this profile he will play "straight" for reasons I can get into at another time.

I can defend myself, and it's not true that straight guys will lash out violently when you try to seduce them, at least not if you're smart about it.

Most guys are in fact a bit bisexual, and in the right conditions they will experiment as long as a) they're on top and b) they're assured of discretion and of course if you're good looking. It's very difficult and risky, but the challenge is part of the fun.

I'm happy to discuss these things but I'd also like to discuss practical strategies without judgment and "don't do that!" and so on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Really what it breaks down to is getting a guy one on one. Its hard getting straight guys comfortable going out with another man even with the presumption that its platonic. What I like to do is offer to wing for guys. This gives you the excuse to be one on one with them, involves alcohol, and has the added bonus of ensuring that their sexually frustrated. It works better if you don't let them know you're gay for the majority of the night. You can slip that information in by discussing it with someone else within ear shot of your target. From there, if they are the sexually assertive type you're looking for things should click in their head.

My concern is nothing to do with the gay community, which it should be understood I'm quite at odds with. Instead I'm talking about how we fit socially with other men. I am a man first, and live by the code of masculinity. Who I like to fuck comes second to that. The male groups I enjoy require a certain level of trust between men. A belief that I'm acting sexual with those men would erode group cohesion.

I ultimately don't have an issue with trying to pick up straight guys. I do however have an issue with abusing the implied male trust. Going to a club and seeing what you can pull: A-okay. Going into a locker room and seeing what you can pull: Dumb. The gym is a middle ground on that one for me. If nothing else I'd be concerned about getting a reputation there after some time.

[–]narcissus88[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I agree insofar as I'd never try to seduce a guy who I wanted to be genuine friends with. To me friendship is higher than sex, and the two don't mix. So in that sense, sure. Also if I were part of a military unit or a group like that, I wouldn't break that kind of trust, I agree.

But aside from that, I think it's fair game to use all kinds of deception. Where I wouldn't agree is in revealing at all that you are gay. In my opinion, a straight guy is more likely to experiment with another guy he thinks is straight, for a number of reasons. Not just discretion, but it's much more of a "compliment" to him to have another guy who can get girls submit to him sexually.

I think the gay movement has made it harder for guys like me to get what we want, because everyone is concerned about a "gay identity."

Of course I'm not talking about relationships, and I have no desire to have a relationship with another man, just sex.

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aside from that, I think it's fair game to use all kinds of deception. This is TRP isn't it? No arguments there.

Where I wouldn't agree is in revealing at all that you are gay.

Wow, so you really want this on hard mode. Mind my asking how often things pan out for you? Is it fair for me to guess that you get a majority of of your sexual outlet through women?

[–]narcissus88[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well in my view it's easier if you don't openly identify as gay. They are more likely to be on guard if they think you're gay. It becomes about identity, politics instead of just two guys happening to experiment. The gay movement has made hot man-on-man sex more difficult lol

Yes I go mostly with girls, but my attraction to guys (of a particular type) is much stronger than to girls. My success rate depends on the effort I'm willing to put into it, and on the country I'm in. Again in the Arab world or in Brazil, men are more bisexual and will "experiment" readily, either for a nominal fee or just if you get them drunk in certain situations. In the US my success rate is much lower, I would say around 25% and that's with trying many different guys and doing everything right, it will still be hard. Success rate would be higher with black guys but I'm not into them so it's more of a problem.

This is context-dependent, the success rate I mean. If it's a guy I know and who I "befriend" then the success rate is considerably higher but that takes a long time. Similarly, I've had a freaky girl help me in the past. If you can find a girl who will do this for you, success rate approaches 100% because most guys who will do the threesome will let the two of you go down on him. This is especially so if he thinks the two of you are boyfriend and girlfriend.

On a related note, I read something about how most of the guys who do the hot gay porn are actually not gay at all. I'll try to find the article.

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[–]narcissus88[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't want a relationship, I want hot sex.

Gay men are not masculine in the vast majority of cases; the few who are, won't have the other qualities I'm looking for, see above, it's simple statistics.

My success rate seducing straight guys is considerably above 99/100. Depending on the method used it's 25% or higher. Depends also on the country. Well over 80% success rate offering money in Brazil.

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[–]narcissus88[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not overcomplicated, you're overthinking it.

Just because I want them for fleeting sexual encounters doesn't mean I have low standards. I hardly care what job they have, or anything else like that, but in terms of looks and personality I'm very exacting because it's what my sexual desire responds to. I've tried to lower my standards physically and it doesn't work. For example, even a slight layer of fat around the waist, and I will lose my erection. Similarly if I catch a whiff of femininity in the guy (which, to be fair, is often found among straight guys today as well) I lose sexual interest. Whether this is ultimately pyschological and not biological for me is an irrelevant question, as I'm not willing to go into therapy so I can lower my standards and make my sex life easier.

Your second point is overthinking, and a good example of turning this into a rather academic matter of definitions. I'm not forcing myself on anyone, and even when I offer money, the act itself is not a turnoff to me as they don't really sacrifice any of their manliness or virility to me or to anyone else. Yes "in theory" I'm the one manipulating them, but actually in practice when you have a dick in your mouth you're the one being dominated and worshiping the other one, whatever may have led up to that. The only exception is that if I sense they're not enjoying it then I won't "follow up" for a second encounter of course. This happens sometimes when money is involved, but this should tell you something even about that scenario; namely, a lot of guys can take money and still enjoy it. It's not hard to tell if someone is enjoying themselves sexually with you. Overall, though, yes, this question of me "manipulating" them doesn't enter my mind; let's not forget this isn't using force and I'm not drugging them or getting them drunk beyond control, that wouldn't even be sexy to me.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The best way is a direct proposition of immediate, non-emasculating sexual activity, preferably while drunk/stoned.

It's exactly the same principle as with girls. Be the aggressor, don't give them the chance to get cold feet, and make sure they have some form of plausible deniability ("I was drunk," etc.). "It just happened." MSMALT. (Most "Straight" Men Are Like That.)

[–]narcissus88[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol

Yes but I agree. But it's still difficult to get them in that situation.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Drinking after sports, after bar, etc., etc.

If you're a stoner you have twice the opportunity ...

[–]OsoFeo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I understand the motivation, but ultimately it's dishonorable.

A trustworthy platonic male friend (straight or gay) is almost always more valuable than a sex partner.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honor really only extends as far as the edges of your 'tribe'. That is to say that people within your close social group are the only one's you should feel bound to act honorably towards. I certainly agree that making advances towards people you're close with is crossing a line. But making those same advances of men outside the group is not crossing that line.

Its an issue of trust. Men have to feel they can trust those within their tribe. Sexual advances would degrade that trust. Outside of the tribe there is no implied trust between men, and so no trust has been broken.

[–]narcissus88[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guys I need more advice there are 3-4 hot straight guys at my gym but they're so arrogant and aloof :P

[–]cantgetguys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ask one of them to spot for you, strike up a conversation that way. I know nothing about gym etiquette, so that might be a terrible idea.



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