Are young couples natural?

Talinor09 · 2019-01-10T04:46:25+00:00

The SMV peak/chart is somewhat misleading.

Sure at 35 a guy is older, better resourced, generally has his shit together and naturally more confident with women but he will struggle to out-compete a good looking 26-28 male who is on the upper end of the SMV curve when it comes to dating younger girls (say below 25).

22 year old women (as a whole) are just generally not that into 35-40 year old men. Obviously some exceptions apply, and if you’re 35 and instagram ripped, a socialite or wealthy then you may easily be able to pull girls in their early 20’s.

I think what the chart is trying to show is that a man is in his prime pulling power in his 30’s. This isn’t relative to a womens SMV (which peaks a lot earlier) so said man will likely be dating girls say 26 and up.

Personally if I look around my workplace, not many dudes in their mid 30’s and beyond aren’t in great shape, i.e they’re generally over the hill. Whilst their income is great they prob had more luck in their 20’s.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2019-01-10T06:26:51+00:00

Generally, about half of women want a man about their own age +/- a few years. Another 30% or so are open to a relationship with an older man, but prefer a man their own age. The remaining 15-20% actively prefer an older lover.

For an older man who prefers younger women, first, make yourself exceptional (good advice for men of any age), second learn how to identify the "Group C" girls, and third, DGAF about what is "normal" or "average".

Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work

-For Older Men who prefer Younger Women, and vice versa.

Older Men, Younger Women, Part II

-More Fun With Younger Women

AceMav21 · 2019-01-10T06:44:56+00:00

Well you see dude. You can have a 38 year old fat software engineer who’s divorced and makes bank but can’t flex a vette. Wait is that peak SMV? The average 35-40yr old man is far below that..... What he means is dudes that are totally disciplined, healthy, fit, financially and socially abundant can use the resources to attract younger women if they’re attractive themselves. That’s in theory though. Some girls might be totally turned off by 30yr old boomers. Some might just want a sugar daddy. Idk. All I know is at 37 ima look like mf Greg Plitt breh.

W_O_M_B_A_T · 2019-01-10T09:30:43+00:00

You're over-thinking this. Women don't want to work hard, go out of their way, or put up with a bunch of bullshit to capture a man. They just want to have fun, party, and grab onto the closest alpha of the group that's immediately available. Gatherer mentality.

Where do young 17-25 thots hang out? At school, or at low-wage service type jobs with other young dude-bros.

SKRedPill · 2019-01-10T07:22:54+00:00

Yes, sex drive is purest (and least contaminated) when younger. Actually teenage years are the best example of knowing what pure sex drive really is like before the social conditioning hit.

The men's SMV chart is subject to doing everything right to keep up one's looks and muscles, game and LTR skills and overall success and money. It isn't a given like women's. For men that graph is actually for very idealistic cases.

Most men in 30s are out of shape and the work culture these days is killing their T - not to mention MPB.

What we need to know is that the SMV chart is actually a potential SMV chart showing you what can be actualized. Women don't need to do much other than grooming and acting feminine to maximize their SMV. Men need to do a lot. Men are made, women are.

If I actually had to draw an actualized SMV, most men would not get to the top of that curve, and for most it would peak by late 20s. That's the difference between actualized SMV and potential SMV. The inversion will still happen for the most part though if men do at least the needful.

In reality, 80% of men you will see are unattractive for various reasons, and few ever maximize their SMV. I'm saying this as a guy mind you. In my office, anyone above 30 is out of shape, and I need to cut quick myself.

aanarchist · 2019-01-10T08:37:14+00:00

Yes young couples are natural. Rollo's smv chart only functions in modern society where hypergamy is rampant. A lot of the things rollo says are actually erroneous tbh. He's good with game but his breakdowns as I've grown older are half truths. Being a self proclaimed "upper" beta male, he's going to have a predisposition for dishonesty and inability to admit his own mistakes in order to save face. Don't trust everything everyone says, never take anyone at face value. No sane woman will choose a 40 year old guy over a 25 year old guy, unless she has some sort of daddy issues, psychological pathology, or is in financial need. It's not rocket science and frankly trp's main flaw is because a lot of thinker types are here, they way over calculate things that are basic intuition. Intuition is something young red pill guys need to develop, not more math equations. Doing more stem isn't gonna make you any more alpha than it did before.

Velebit · 2019-01-10T13:13:51+00:00

Advice mostly found here is largely defensive to protect male resources, time efficiency, emotional health and more than anything ego.

As a 37 year old guy whose career is taking off, who can pay off a semi luxurious car with ease, knows with confidence how to dominate and please a woman and is ready to both pump and dump and provide for a family, sure... you are, on paper the catch. And you have emotional 'maturity' (read: lack of emotions and genuine passion) to withstand getting dumped, monkeybranched, cheated on etc eadies than someone with is 22.

So why do you Kelly who is a smoking hot babe and 20 with Jimmy who is an unemployed student who plays fortine half the time, screams like a bitch when he loses, is barely 5cm taller then her, who she has to drive around, and who makes goofy pictures on instagram drawing star of david and hammer and sickle on his chest...

The reason for that is that trp overvalues 'masculinity' and undervalues what it calls 'blue' traits. Jimmy is young, pretty and charming. By pretty I mean pretty, like Justin Bieber pretty, not handsome like Jason Momoa or Hugh Jackman.

He is not a leader he is a goofball, he is not cool calm and collected, he is neurotic and impulsive, he is not tall and muscular, he is less then average tall and average built, he has no ability to grow facial hair and his nose is assymetrical.

Yeah but his youth, charm and prettiness can't be useful to guys here trying to compete in any way they can. Knowing he has something a random audience member can't have is not useful so tep guys preach a 'white lie' about it all being something you can work on, practice, build up with nerdy hard work and that time is on your side.

In reality no it's not, and the best girls are not riding cock carousel until 30 but get scooped up by naturals like Jimmy and rely on natural bonding by low count number biology of attachment and they successfully reproduce.

On the other side you have bitter old farts like Roosh V who despite being at their 'smv peak' can't become evolutionarily successful because their whole brain and personality is shaped by nonstop calculating and machiavelianism and there is no vulnerability and attachment to any woman and only a siege mentality and pickiness.

Reproduction and love requires both partners having the ability to stab the others heart at any moment and choosing to not do so, not calculated manuevering by cookie cutter advice from evolutionary failures that are largely sterile from all the hormones and std filled.

Yeah that is a massive gamble and legal system fucked the males and now here are guys trying to find any method to at least get their dicks wet and keep their resources.

masterpiece00 · 2019-01-10T09:05:12+00:00

I'm over 30, red pill for 10 years - have seen around 3 - THREE! people/couples (Not Hollywood celebs and wealth fags) in all the world who match up to Rollos SMV chart - LTR or married - Old guy with young high smv girl.

Young sexy 20's girls seem to always be with 20's males.

Title	Are young couples natural?
Author	hudson_rogue
Upvotes	16
Comments	19
Date	January 10, 2019 4:38 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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