Protect yourself - Say less

StarchRunner · 2020-08-21T14:32:47+00:00

don’t give your opinion unless asked

Even then, don't irl. Just meep back sheep language they expect. Sometime in our growing up, if you did in a strict anglo household, you were likely told "truth is the best policy" or some such. It's not, it will bite you. You don't owe your honest opinions or thoughts to any stranger and they will not hesitate use it as a weapon against you. Become like water, the truth is whatever benefits you the most in that moment.

Never tie your irl with your social media accounts if you can avoid it. Lie about life details on those accounts, be inconsistent about those details (fuzzy logic). Change them like diapers.

Edit:

Let me give an example that's utterly meaningless to me now being long ago. The essence of the story is true although I've changed details irrelevant to the larger point.

Back in the day in 9th grade, I was called into the Principal's office to be interrogated about a bus incident. This was before cameras. Someone I knew but not a friend mooned a girl out the window at the stop dropping her off. Her parents were strict Christians and called in to make a big complaint. It was late on the route so less kids, the bus driver didn't see it, his friends won't snitch him out since they were in on it (blocking driver view, etc) and would muddy waters naming someone else, so that left 5-6 kids including me.

So they grilled me for 45 minutes and threatened me with explusion if I didn't give up names. I kept repeating I napped on my way home and didn't see or hear anything. Eventually they gave up because different threats did nothing ("we'll call your parents", etc). I said nothing not out of loyalty because the kid was 1 year older, way bigger and had his bully gang that would make my life miserable the next almost three years.

He approaches me sometime later in the day and asked if I snitched. Instead of telling him that I got sent to the office and depended on him believing that I didn't break, I just said no and put it in his head they were calling kids by reverse birthday, putting me much later on the list (almost no juniors or seniors took the bus, getting rides from friends), on the reasoning they were pressuring the youngest kids first. It was half-assed reasoning but fit for him. But in his head I wasn't even in a position to rat him out then.

Eventually one kid he zoomed in as a result copped that he told (some real boyscout type) and outside school made that kid's life hell during his 14 day in-school suspension and for the next three years when he could. I avoided all that bullshit or a confrontational fight.

And for what? A pat on the head from the admin that I did the right thing? Some voice inside telling me to tell the truth to a deceitful world? Lol.

This is the type of world you live in and how the players work. Once they used you, you're discarded, so all you can do is look out for yourself. All the preaching in the world about honesty and such is powerplays because they don't play by the same rules themselves.

NotchBelow5OK · 2020-08-21T13:11:58+00:00

Great post! It takes amazing discipline to shut up despite immense pressure to say something no matter what. It's something I have to keep practicing constantly due to benefits you outlined already.

Dunkman83 · 2020-08-21T13:44:23+00:00

Saying less is definitely something i added to my arsenal recently.

Ive grown exhausted from arguing and having to "defend myself" against other peoples perception of me.

Now i simply say "sure"

If it progresses "have a good day"

And remove myself from the situation.

user_miki · 2020-08-21T13:34:24+00:00

It is difficult to master.But it pays immensely,People are prone always to have an opinion of everything and express it.Mostly bullshit things.And it allows other people to see how stupid you are.Guess which gender cannot keep its mouth shut.

Anyway the advice is gold.

ctgjerts · 2020-08-21T15:38:23+00:00

I had this conversation with one of my sons. He was arguing with his mother about something political. The next time we went to breakfast just he and I we talked about the argument.

I told him one of the best lessons to learn in any conversation with a women was when to disengage. Simply say nothing. The only winning move is to not engage.

ElectricalCost0 · 2020-08-21T16:03:27+00:00

Don’t tell them more than they need to know.

Alsavir · 2020-08-21T17:16:42+00:00

Well this is my motto and way of life, thinking. Let others express their opinions, just politely nod or just say you aren't interested. Makes things much more simpler in the long run and tends to drive off the anoying people so you can focus on what matters to you.

TooAwareToCare · 2020-08-21T16:54:42+00:00

Bro just play dumb and innocent and people quickly move away from that nonsense effort.

I make it feel like a chore to talk to me and eventually they permanently give up without me getting any trouble and then its free riding from there!

Because guess what, you’ve set the stage as being harmless too so people really don’t suspect

Just a dumb innocent guy honest 😇

FindingKeeping · 2020-08-21T14:53:01+00:00

Take care. Happy weekend

rickiemg · 2020-08-21T16:34:10+00:00

This is the best skill one can learn to protect yourself but it is also very difficult.

httk13 · 2020-08-21T19:47:49+00:00

Ghost in plain sight. You don't want to come off as someone who has much of a personality, especially in environments where having an (unpopular) opinion could backfire (college/work/etc). It's a joke that us MGTOW have to do this, but for me, soon I'll have accumulated enough capital to where I can start my own business and others opinions won't matter anymore.

Phantom_Spark · 2020-08-21T21:38:46+00:00

This is great and I agree!

However sometimes men get themselves into trouble because they won’t speak up. At times you must stay silent. Other times it’s best to make others angry and address the situation while it’s still early.

Personally I prefer to annoy people who are trouble early on so that they know to stay away from me. I don’t want to be silent and then spend a lifetime listening to their foolishness.

This is the idea behind walk softly but carry a big stick. You’re not supposed to use it incessantly. But when it’s appropriate? You LAY INTO SOMEONE.

Cryptolexicon · 2020-08-21T16:29:49+00:00

This is excellent advice.

theoracleofosiris · 2020-08-22T05:21:24+00:00

Which Roman general?

RedditSlayer2020 · 2020-08-22T06:55:14+00:00

I had to learn this the hard way. The only person i shared my thoughts with throughout my youth was my mother. It was very hard to learn to hold back since i learned she was taking sides with my dad.

Mothers who stand between their husbands and their sons are executing dominance and control. Dont let this happen to you. Take a stand early on. I was blind i realized this important lesson to late.

MichaelSkarn_FBI · 2020-08-21T23:21:48+00:00

Proverbs 13:3

skippydammit · 2020-08-22T17:05:31+00:00

Sage advice for would-be sages! Some of the best advice on this forum. For sure!

Title	Protect yourself - Say less
Author	Fragrant-Nectarine-1
Upvotes	146
Comments	32
Date	August 21, 2020 12:59 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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