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Comic complains, with no sense of irony, that there is a movie trope of male hypergamy. I can't think of a single example to counter the countless examples of female hypergamy.

el_nikon

October 6, 2014
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Title Comic complains, with no sense of irony, that there is a movie trope of male hypergamy. I can't think of a single example to counter the countless examples of female hypergamy.
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el_nikon

Upvotes 2
Comments 31
Date October 6, 2014 1:15 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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Comments

[–]nuestro_amo4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

From their website, about the creators:

Specifically, they identify as a non-binary genderqueer peoplequeer mentally ill non-monogamous kinky critical feminist robot. Their hobbies include worrying, being concerned about things they can’t change, being angry, being uselessly angry, hiding from the world, and knitting.

Are there any male examples? Probably not. Women think this way so men must also since we're all equals!

[–]el_nikon[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Its not that one lone example of male hypergamy would stand against the among the many examples of cinematic female hypergamy, but I'm curious to find even one.

[–]nuestro_amo0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't think this comic is about male hypergamy. Its a rant about how cliched male action movies pander to a male audience (how terrible.) The author wants the female-mentor-love interest to save the day in the end. Sorry hun, the execs are in it for the money.

Edge of Tomorrow comes to mind, as does the Matrix and Wanted like others have pointed out.

[–]el_nikon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Matrix and Wanted don't fit

Edge of Tomorrow

orders Major William Cage (Tom Cruise), a public affairs officer and former advertising executive...Cage manages to kill a large Mimic...Cage learns that the kind of Mimic he killed in his first loop, an "Alpha", resets time when it is killed to give the Mimics an advantage in battle. Cage inherited this ability when he was doused in the Alpha's blood as they both died.

So, the Tom Cruise character is an executive with superhuman powers...

How is this an average guy, with "no discernible traits" and "is in every way, average as best"

[–]cascadecombo2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

super human powers? He has a reset button.

On the battlefield she is queen and he is not better than a lamb facing a hungry wolf at lunchtime.

The guy only managed to kill the alpha by killing himself with a claymore, and is then stuck in a loop where he can never die. The guy probably spends a few years at least training with the chick just to be able to fight. Then afterwards she becomes his sidekick, and only after the war does the matter his job change anything. But executive? He is a military officer, far far different from an executive.

[–]Azothlike0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the battlefield, she dies in about 5 seconds. She sucks, and the super power that Tom Cruise has was the only reason she was successful in combat.

[–]nuestro_amo1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You're getting hung up on those words. The author just uses them to get her point across about men being portrayed as better than women inherently. Thats not the case ever. Its a trope that the hero is just some average joe (to make him relatable), but he always has a unique quality that makes him our hero and not just some rando. Storytelling 101.

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[–]nuestro_amo0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well I stand by Edge of Tomorrow then.

[–]el_nikon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

An executive with a super power is very, very far from an average guy, with "no discernible traits" and "is in every way, average as best"

[–]nuestro_amo0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Wrong person, but you haven't seen the movie obviously.

What's the end goal here? Prove that no movie as stated by the author exists? Well then you're right! She made it up to fit her agenda.

[–]Azothlike2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing he's said contradicts Edge of Tomorrow.

The comic implies that the guy is ordinary, has no advantageous traits, and less time, but becomes a superior specimen.

In edge of Tomorrow, Tom Cruise is not an ordinary guy(Hes an esteemed officer and public figure), he has advantages(all powerful reset button that the female figure no longer has), and he does not have less time(it's implied that he lives hundreds of days out, just like the female character did).

EoT is probably the movie the comic was talking about. The comic is just a hamstering idiot.

[–]atypicalgamergirl3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe something like Wanted with Angelina Jolie?

[–]el_nikon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The male protagonist in Wanted has superhuman powers.

The group's leader, Sloan, explains that Wesley's panic attacks are actually the untrained expression of a rare superhuman ability; when stressed, the drastically increased heart rate and adrenaline levels result in bursts of superhuman strength, speed, and reflexes and proves it as Wesley is able to shoot the wings off three flies.

[–]atypicalgamergirl2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He had to be trained to control it, though.

[–]el_nikon[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The comic is describing an average guy, with "no discernible traits" and "is in every way, average as best" who is paired up with a woman who is clearly better than him in every metric.

Basically, picture Bella from Twilight, only reverse the genders.

This comic is not talking about some guy with superhuman powers.

[–]nuestro_amo2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't exist. The protagonist is always a prodigy.

[–]el_nikon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Female protagonists can be exceptionally average and plain and opposite of men with superhuman powers or talents. What trope is this comic even referring to? What universe to they live on?

[–]redpilltom2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny, even though they were trying to set men up as evil and bad, they really revealed something true.

Look at the comic, how does the male protagonist reach their full potential? BY WORKING HARD.

Name one movie popular among women where a woman works hard to reach her full potential. Name one training montage starring a woman that's aimed towards a female audience. What? None? Of course, because there is a main difference.

Men fantasize about having a secret great potential they can only achieve through hard work, women fantasize about being great and not being recognized for it.

This is basically every chickflick. At most, self-realization requires a makeover, never hard work. You know all the examples, I don't have to list them.

This is why men love DBZ (training hard to reach a complete new level) and love Batman much more than Superman ( working hard, being normal and achieving greatness vs. being born great). We fantasize of having this untapped potential that can be brought forth through hard work. Women dream of already being great and just being found.

tl;dr You will never see a fat female protagonist working out to get what they want.

[–]2comment2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The comic is pretty funny in it's own white knighting way, but female superheroes and badasses are pretty much a beta (really omega) male pedastooling fantasy. The men who really like this generally are so weak that it's no surprise they want a stronger, but devoted, female in their life like a quasi mother figure who will develop them into a man (pretty much pipe dream of child-like nurturing right there) and by the end they can kiss.

In reality, women aren't badasses and they want their men to come ready-made, no assembly required. For example, just look around at mundane everyday heros, compare how many female vs male fire fighters died in 9/11 and the like.

Lately, it's girl heroes are developing into a trope like how all sitcom dads are stupid, sitcom moms are smart and level headed, etc. Female heroes are fun and cute, and started out in a script-flipping sort of way long ago (Wonder Women), but bullshit empowerment issues aside this comic is just ignoring all the female heros that already existed for a long time as the stars of their show (Xena, Buffy, Hunger Games, etc) just to bitch about few guy protagonists wish-fulfillment fantasies that are hanging on for boys like and not bowing down to womyn heroes.

[–]changshuaidiao2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The makers ignore some important things.

1) The lead doesn't just become better than the female, he always becomes better than every other male protagonist as well.

2) The male hero is always initially rejected as being substandard by the female. She always doubts and judges him at first. In the matrix, for example, trinity didn't even believe morpheus at first. Later after neo proves himself, and having thoroughly rejected the guy who always loved her, Cypher, she favors Neo because he she starts to show that he is a badass messiah god. If anything these stories tell men they will be getting absolutely no pussy until the become the most awesome dude in the entire world. The Matrix and Wanted didn't fade in on two average guys with already average and fulfilling love lives... that's waiting on the other side of boundless success.

[–]2IVIaskerade1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not quite hypergamy, but in Iron man, we see Tony going from sleeping with lots of different women to settling for Pepper.

[–]brotherjustincrowe1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only one I can think of that fits this is...The Lego Movie.

[–]mademychoice0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seth Rogan in Knocked Up is the closest i can think of.

[–]el_nikon[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He had some sort of workers comp injury he was living off of, but it wasn't enough. She was totally disgusted with having had his baby.

He ended up raising to her standards enough to where she could tolerate him being a mate.

I also cringe this rational to keep the baby.

They reconcile at their daughter's birthday party, but when Ben tries to work things out with Alison, she doesn't want to get back together. Alison's boss finds out about her pregnancy, and sees an opportunity to boost ratings with female viewers by having Alison interview pregnant celebrities.

Not your male Pretty Woman, there. But its so far the closest example anyone has to male hypergamy.

[–]whystoppnow0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like Wanted, Kick-Ass, That Tom Cruise Movie that just came out (the one where he dies over and over again), Trinity's Role in the Matrix. It's also kinda Scott Pilgrim-ish but that's arguable. There is an ongoing theme of trying to make chicks kick ass in movies and make the guy a simp that learns to kick ass. There's probably a lot more but off the top of my head those are the only action movies. There are countless movies where the guy is socially retarded and has to be reformed by a girl as well.

Edit: By hypergamy in this case are we talking about "dating up" or actively rejecting inferior chicks for hotter chicks?

[–]el_nikon[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wanted, Matrix - doesnt fit. See above.

Kick-Ass? Which person?

Which Tom Cruise movie?

[–]whystoppnow0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Edge of Tomorrow, where the female war hero has to train Tom Cruise Kick-ass, hit girl is way more bad ass than kick ass, in kick-ass 2 they kiss at the end so it kinda fits.

[–]el_nikon[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Edge of Tomorrow

orders Major William Cage (Tom Cruise), a public affairs officer and former advertising executive...Cage manages to kill a large Mimic...Cage learns that the kind of Mimic he killed in his first loop, an "Alpha", resets time when it is killed to give the Mimics an advantage in battle. Cage inherited this ability when he was doused in the Alpha's blood as they both died.

So, the Tom Cruise character is an executive with superhuman powers...

I was hoping we werent talking about the children and hypergamy with Kick Ass. Seems creepy and a creepy direction to take this in.

[–]1aguy010 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The Matrix comes to mind but that's all I got.

[–]el_nikon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neo isn't an average guy, he fits a savior/messiah motif with superpowers none of the humans have.

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