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/u/NeuroticIntrovert drops some real knowledge on power, MRA's and gender policing.

9000sins

December 19, 2013
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Title /u/NeuroticIntrovert drops some real knowledge on power, MRA's and gender policing.
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9000sins

Upvotes 45
Comments 12
Date December 19, 2013 9:15 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]pirateundies19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It raises some good points but it misses out on points like feminism's intellectual dishonesty.

More than anything I see this as a great example of how much of a difference an appeal to feels makes versus an appeal to logic/facts.

[–]fiat_lux_26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In his defense,

  1. His post was already getting long. If you wanted to explain comprehensively why MRAs need to work independently and without relying on feminism, you'd need a damned dissertation. Warren Farrell alone wrote many books and articles and still has room for an autobiography on this exact subject matter. No one has time for that on reddit. I'm saying that as a fast reader who enjoys reading.
  2. He was trying to change views. He knows his audience is full of hypersensitive people who can clamp up in the blink of an eye if they interpret even the slightest hint of antagonism/recentment.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a bit of a shame though, a lot of people there whose minds have supposedly changed are still seeing it through the lens of 'teh patriarchy did this'. They feel the tugging at their heartstrings but they still are romantically attached to their victimhood status to see with clarity.

[–]IPlayUkulele13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men do have places to speak in mainstream society - so long as they continue to perform masculinity. 

There's the difference between TRP ideology and the MRM. TRP is about the expression of masculinity. MRM is about changing society, making masculinity a choice. Both are well and good, but one of these things will get me what I want today, and the other may never.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If that is what mrm is about, then so done has shit fucked up. It makes more sense to make being a man no longer a liability, but that isn't going to happen. Sure be masculine, but anyone, even a shit worthless omega, can use it against you and fuck your life just because you are stronger than they are. Its why they use the legal system to fuck you over, because in a one on one stand up fight they will get owned. They need the power of numbers and government to fight and win, and you're damn right they manipulate the system to get ahead.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of a Jack Donovan article. "This is their world now. The world of men who's chests don't expand unless they are backed by a full force of men with body armor and truncheons."

[–]Ethan470 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem we encounter with masculinity vs mainstream culture. Masculinity still benefits mainstream culture and feminists in many ways (men's sacrifice in our military, our firefighters, our mechanics), but aspects of masculinity that do NOT directly benefit them are considered toxic and derided with social shaming. The thing is, this isn't a mix and match grab bag. You are masculine or not, you either have the desire to fight and fuck everything in life, woman, competition, career, or you don't.

[–]wolololololololo5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I did a little of this stuff in a few of my political economy units in Uni. It's incredibly obvious that real power lies within wealth and those that benefit from the global neo-liberal capitalist system. Just look at the multinational institutional and bulge-bracket banks that effectively got off scot-free from the GFC. Oh, a fine here and there but nothing they can't easily make back in a few months. Real power has and always will lie within monetary wealth because that is what our society uses to barter.

It is incredibly obvious, and academic literature even spells it out, that after failing to bring around le revolution and the fact Capital 'won' (lol), critical theory has sprung up to attempt to analyse social areas in which disturbances/friction can be created within class so as to attempt to 're-revolutionise' the masses to bring about social change. While cultural marxism isn't technically a correct term, that's effectively what is being attempted. I'd just called it sociology these days.

Too bad real institutional power is becoming more entrenched these days with the help of technology, so that critical theory really only hurts the lesser people, mostly men.

[–]firsttracks220 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting idea. So then, from this perspective, what kind of social change is the end goal of this attempt to mobilize the masses? The deposition of capitalism, or to overthrow the patriarchy? Or something else entirely?

[–]CirxChakrAS 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is probably one of the better mainstream responses to this subject. It may not be TRP, but this is an excellent way to word and approach a subject our society wants to ignore. This is something I could post to Facebook and the majority would agree with it in understanding.

[–]Human_v21 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

One guy mentions how feminism has become a 'polluted term' which he wants to abandon.

This pretty much sums up my view. I'm all for equal opportunities and the power for women to choose their own path in life and get paid equal money for equal work for example. I'd imagine most people agree.

Feminism has become a hideous caricature of itself, one which people are beginning to dislike the look of.

[–]barneygumbled2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree. /u/In_between_minds raises the obvious:

With any group, that loud radical minority becomes the public majority. They become the voice the public hears, the actiosn the public remembers, the the polices of government often change based on the vocal radical minorities, unless the majority stand up and say "no, YOU do not speak for US" and if needed "WE are shamed by YOUR actions and do not condone them". It is trite, but: "all that is required for the triumph of evil, if for good [people] to do nothing".

A lot of very stupid people have claimed what is ostensibly an egalitarian concept (at least before its third wave) as their own. I've always viewed both men and women's rights movements (MRA/feminism) with suspicion because it's fundamentally divisive and promotes an atmosphere of exclusivity. To put it bluntly, it's classic divide and conquer, without wishing to sound like a Marxist class warrior.

As /u/wolololololololo aptly explains, real power has and always will lie with monetary wealth. Gender is no longer the issue, it's a ridiculously misguided prism through which to view the problems facing society. If these people wish to really make positive egalitarian change, the divisive nature of feminism vs. MRA needs to be abandoned - but at the same time a few core RP tenets would not go amiss.

The idea that 'power = control of one's life' is the most important, and it's obviously not exclusive to RP. Once people of all genders begin to focus inwards and take responsibility for their own lives, the ripple effect on society will be significant if not revolutionary. There's no need to sacrifice your happiness and fulfillment dedicating your life to an external group or movement do this, in fact it's perhaps the only way to attain true happiness and fulfillment. Identify your social, cultural and biological context, and work through logically to find your purpose in life.

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