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[–]trudatness 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
There are virgins out there over the age of 21?
Hot ones?
Umm...
Not since the 50s bro.
[–]ThumoticJonFrost25[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Literally zero?
Or just, so few that they'll only be available to top-tier men?
[–]trudatness 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
LOL
"Top Tier" men? You act as if there is some sort of farm, where the top quality women are preselected for only the most deserving Alphas.
IRL it's somewhat different.
A hot 21 year old virgin in western culture is a total unicorn - an absolute fictional persona.
Game starts in high school and years before some PYT even gets to 21, she's been gamed by some slick high school kid (like I was for example) maybe a varsity letterman or a long haired dude with a guitar (depending on her tastes).
Yeah, but that's not a huge deal. As long as she isn't too free with herself and doesn't give it out like the town floozy, you just chalk it up.
[–]ThumoticJonFrost25[S] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not a unicorn. More like a panda bear. They are very rare, but they do exist. And they only breed in very specific conditions. (I'm here all week.)
There are 300m people in the US. Are you saying that there is not ONE pretty 21 year old family medicine student who feels totally out of place in the world today and meets all of my criteria? I bet there are thousands, if not tens of thousands. And that's not even saying anything about outside of the US. The world is a big place.
These girls are incredibly rare (although I bet they become less rare over the next decade as TRP ideas seep into the world) but they do exist, and the men who get them will be the ones who play The Second Game.
[–]trudatness 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Good luck on your Panda Bear hunt. Bro.
My second game isn't all about finding little miss paragon of virtue. It's about finding a woman who isn't completely full of shit. Finding a woman who has her shit half-way together mentally will serve you better.
Generally, those kinds of women haven't fucked half the state you live in - and that's not a coincidence. Women who are good quality people will not have a high number. By the time you are ready to marry (I've done it twice) the women in your target age group will most likely not be virgins. By all means be picky, but don't expect the impossible. Good character is the most important quality to seek out in a woman you're going to spend the rest of your life with. It doesn't mean you can be a beta fag, you still have to live with the Alpha mindset, but you increase your chances of success dramatically with a (more) sane woman.
[–]PlayFair 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You owe me a new keyboard!
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
This guy's view of a worthy life reads like some fantasy where he goes back in time to the 1920s.
I do like this quote though:
"Success with women is more disillusioning than failure"
It perfectly describes the post taking the pill mindset. Even though you are successful with women the whole process is bittersweet, it's the accomplishment that plants the seeds of cynicism and disilusion. It feels like crushed idealism. At first you blame female nature but ultimately you're actually blaming yourself for setting expectations of fairytale-esque levels of naivity. The repeated failures of the blue pill mentaility would at least keep your blissfull ignorance afloat.
"I live with regrets - the bittersweet loss of innocence - the red track of the moon upon the lake - the inability to return and do it again"
John Geddes
[–]Mojammer 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The man who was thursday was one of the best writers out there IMO. It's a shame he stopped.
[–]PlayFair 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Under 25 years old, virgin, christian, and the product of a stable and loving family.
This article in neither RP nor BP; it's just evangelical hype. I use to live in the midwest, and nearly every girl under 25 would self-describe herself as a virgin, bible thumpin', future mother and wife. The three most important things in her life are: God, family, friends, in that order. Hate to burst the bubble, but there aren't too many Virgin Marys left. Just a shitton of two-faced sluts with just as many vices as anyone else. They just don't post it to FB.
The only thing the author has going for him is finding someone with a comparable IQ: low.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
HA. I had this exact same thought. I would argue however that if you get at them young enough you could find a woman with a sub-5 body count. Probably no virgins though, unless you're dating high schoolers. Which is disturbing and should not be done. Instead, don't ask why water is wet. Look for a woman instead who shares your sexual interest and capacity. Don't get insecure about other dick that may have been inside her.
[–]PlayFair 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
The frontal lobe doesn't even finish developing until you're 25. You show me a 25 year old virgin, and I'll show you a weirdo.
I've never thought TRP was a way to tap low count women. If anything, TRP has taught me that women tend to think similarly: via emotion and validation. Ask a young guy if he'd rather have a girl horny or jealous; they always get the answer wrong.
But more importantly, TRP gives men purpose and identity in a society increasingly working to erode it. You're not a puppet, and you don't have to dance. It's a lesson I've learned, and re-learned, and re-learned (and re-learned), since jumping down the rabbit hole.
BTW, OP is promoting his own blog.
EDIT: OR versus AND
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You show me a 25 year old virgin, and I'll show you a weirdo.
Agreed. It would take severe maladjustment, and not something you want to waste your time or effort on.
No shit? I hadn't realized.
Ask a young guy if he'd rather have a girl horny and jealous; they always get the answer wrong.
I was hoping you could expand on this? I think you may be assuming I understand what you're talking about; I don't.
TRP gives men purpose and identity in a society increasingly working to erode it. You're not a puppet, and you don't have to dance.
I totally agree. The power we don't have is the power given away, through either complicity or ignorance. This is a learning experience.
Ask a young guy if he'd rather have a girl horny or jealous; they always get the answer wrong.
Should have said or, my mistake.
But a younger me would have always, impulsively, answered: horny. I want her wet at her knees, just begging for a cock.
WRONG
The best emotion you can instill in a woman is jealousy, bar none. Learning to make girls jealous, versus horny, is paramount to successful game. Jealousy is an unsatisfied desire. Find a way to make her jealous, and she will, by definition, need you(r validation).
[–]ThumoticJonFrost25[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You think there are no women in the world that meet these criteria? Just because you didn't meet any in your hometown of Zanesville, Ohio? You must have a very limited worldview.
[–]PlayFair 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
are you going to make a point? Or just ask rhetorical questions?
[–]deepsouthscoundrel 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
There's a lot here that I agree with, mainly that even the "good" girls (if they exist) will still be more attracted to men who know game than men who don't. I also agree that if you want to have children one day then you ought to find a wife that will focus on bearing them young and raising them well.
What I don't agree with is the presumption that all men ought to want children, and that those that don't are lying to themselves. I'm a man who has no problem getting sex with easy women or commitment from a woman of value (as the author describes it), but I don't value the same things in a woman that he does, nor do I have to. I refuse to play anyone else's game but my own.
[–]ThumoticJonFrost25[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Nah, I don't judge men who truly don't want children.
But I also think that a lot of men who claim to not want children are just afraid of the challenge of building a family in the modern era.
I take it by your un-emotional comment that you are one of the former, so power to you.
[–]deepsouthscoundrel 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You're the author then? Cool, thanks for the reponse.
I don't judge men who truly don't want children. But I also think that a lot of men who claim to not want children are just afraid of the challenge of building a family in the modern era.
So, if I'm interpreting your position correctly, it's a matter of motive. If that's the case, is there any funtional difference between a man weighing the pros and cons of settling down and having children and choosing not to do it and a man too afraid of the challenge? The outcome is the same in both situations, so are we just judging the man on his motive?
I suppose one could make the argument that it's better to have the ability to do something and choose not to do it than to never have the ability at all and be left without a choice. But then again, just because a man is afraid of settling down doesn't mean that he doesn't have the necessary skills to do so.
[–]ThumoticJonFrost25[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, Thumotic is my blog. But always happy to mix it up here in TRP.
Here's how I see it. Some guys legitimately have no interest in having kids. I think they're a very small minority, but I have nothing against their preference.
A larger number of smart guys have made a rational decision to never have a family. I won't go into the many valid reasons to avoid marriage and kids in the western world today, I doubt we would disagree on anything there.
But for me personally, it's a big priority of mine to have 3+ kids and I want to do it in the context of a healthy traditional family in a decade or so. If I can't do that, I'll consider my life incomplete. I think that most men, especially when they get into their 30s, will eventually feel the same way.
But I also think that a lot of guys live in denial. They want families, but they recognize how much of a challenge it is, and rather than try to rise to that challenge, they protect their egos by lashing out at anyone who suggests healthy marriage is even possible today. For example, see the highest voted comments in this thread.
If a gay guy told me he wanted to suck a dick, my reaction would be: Good luck. Go suck a bag of dicks for all I care. Different preferences shouldn't lead to anger, unless someone feels their ego threatened.
I mean, guys claim that what I want is impossible. Like there are zero guys in good marriages in the USA right now. And on top of that, it's not like getting divorced = the literal end of the world. A TRP man should be smart enough to do what they need to do to ensure a divorce does not ruin his life.
Check out my post on How To Find A Wife:
http://www.thumotic.com/how-to-find-a-wife/
And also note that I am currently 28 and in 100% First Game mode. But it would be pretty stupid of me to wait until I'm forty to even start thinking about The Second Game. I'm still having fun after 12 years of casual sex, MLTRs and many many different girls, but I don't think Ill feel the same way in my forties and beyond.
Referring to your last sentence, I think that a man who could have something but chooses not to is in a much stronger position than a man who "coincidentally" doesn't want what he can't have:
Poor person: "Rich people are all evil and unhappy! I'm glad I'm not like them."
Incel: "Women are stupid bitches and PUAs who demean themselves to entertain them are pathetic."
TRP guy who bangs a lot of sluts but has never been able to find, meet and attract the sort of girl who he could consider a relationship with: "LOL literally every girl in the world today is a worthless slut. Any guy who thinks he can find a good one is a dork!"
Are these guys right? Maybe. But I give a lot more credibility to someone to could have something, but chooses to renounce it anyways. More importantly, you yourself will never know if you actually don't want X, or if you're just rationalizing to yourself.
In any case cheers man and I hope you get whatever it is you decide to chase after.
[–]deepsouthscoundrel 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow, didn't quite expect this long of a response! Thank you for your insight. I've enjoyed the discussion so far.
A larger number of smart guys have made a rational decision to never have a family...But I also think that a lot of guys live in denial. They want families, but they recognize how much of a challenge it is, and rather than try to rise to that challenge, they protect their egos by lashing out at anyone who suggests healthy marriage is even possible today.
I see. So it's the difference between saying, "This is not what I want," and, "This is impossible for anyone, ever, and to try is foolish." The former is a simple admittance of opinion, but the latter tries to shame the opinion of someone else.
I mean, guys claim that what I want is impossible. Like there are zero guys in good marriages in the USA right now.
I don't believe that a traditional family is impossible to attain, though it may be more difficult now than it ever has been before. I can understand the opinions of men on TRP (as well as MGTOW) about the juice not being worth the squeeze anymore. Still, "worth the squeeze" is subjective and determined on how much any one man wants that juice.
And on top of that, it's not like getting divorced = the literal end of the world. A TRP man should be smart enough to do what they need to do to ensure a divorce does not ruin his life.
I absolutely agree. I know I'm going to want to settle down eventually too, but I'm going to do it carefully and with the knowledge I've gained from learning from the mistakes of others.
I think that a man who could have something but chooses not to is in a much stronger position than a man who "coincidentally" doesn't want what he can't have.
Ah, okay. I understand now. I've actually seen this rationalization in action too, and it's pretty pathetic.
Thanks again for the insight. You seem to have a good grasp on what you want. I'll take a look at your blog, too. Cheers.
[–]Moresolater 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The hypocrisy in his post is blinding, I don't understand how he can expect a good CHRISTIAN women when he himself is not following the tenets of Christianity (specifically sex before marriage). The reason why red pill ideology works for most people is because the strategies purveyed are AMORAL. Christianity is inextricably linked to morality and thus I believe that pump n dumps and some tenets of red pill philosophy are incompatible with Christianity. That being said Christians can still benefit from some ideas of red pill philosophy such as being strong, maintaining frame, and getting what YOU want out of life not what society wants you to get.
[–]ThumoticJonFrost25[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OP here and I have no shame at all about my double standards. Partly because I'm a dick, and partly because the bible considers female pre-marital sex to be a much graver sin than male fornication.
Do a search of "Freedom Twenty-Five" + "Christianity" but the gist is that, from the perspective of the bible, it is impossible for a non-virgin woman to re-marry. She is just living in a perpetual state of adultery. Whereas a non-virgin man is only considered biblically married if he bangs a virgin.
In any case, I am not a Christian, just an agnostic who believes that Christianity creates better women than 21st century progressive atheism.
[–]Moresolater 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see what you mean, I also agree that Christianity creates better women but I am not myself religious (a dirty Jew by birth but now agnostic) Edit: a separate belief I have is that Judaism creates one of the worst types of woman the JAP (Jewish American princess). The self entitlement for JAPS is literally off the charts
[–]Rumble_in_the_Jungle 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This article needs to be made into a pamphlet and given out to young parishioners.
And so many guys, not just the religious need to understand that "but I'm a good guy" will not work for them.
They also need to understand that young, thin virgins are still human women, just like the "low quality" women they currently disregard as sour grapes.
The only difference, is that the young, thin virgin will have that much more choice when it comes to getting commitment.
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