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Do you have evidence for the claims you make in the Red Pill constitution?

ZaoMedong
November 8, 2014
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Title Do you have evidence for the claims you make in the Red Pill constitution?
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ZaoMedong
Upvotes 5
Comments 16
Date November 8, 2014 8:10 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–]2IVIaskerade14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeessssssssss (sorry, couldn't resist.)

[start of serious section]

All of the following sources are peer-reviewed and available as free PDF downloads from this website. All of the following links are to articles written in 2013 or 2014, though the journal goes back to 2003. And so, without further ado:

Woman's menstrual cycle is linked to what they look for in a mate

The menstrual cycle is linked to attraction to a potential mate's behaviour

Men who are obviously physically strong appear more dominant

Gender may influence attitudes toward infidelity

What behaviours are thought of as "serious" forms of infidelity vary between men and women

Misrepresentation of EvoPsych in "sex and gender textbooks"

Women don't tend to divorce high-value men

Methods of courship vary with social context

More confident men are more likely to be successful with romance

Men and women have different criteria for a "good" partner

There's another 10 years or so of articles that I could pull up, but I figure that this would be a good sample that shows that there are studies that back up our claims.

Also, on other article that's not part of the constitution but I found interesting:

When looking at an attractive man's face, women think that they looked at his face for longer than for the faces of a less attractive man or a woman of any attractiveness, even when the actual time they spend looking at each different face was the same. They literally perceive time as passing slower when looking at a guy they like the look of.

[–]SelfMadeMonarch2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention that hypergamy is widely, almost universally, accepted as the females primary sexual strategy in biology. Also supports the concept of' better genes for fucking and better fathers for marrying'. I'm on my phone but get reading on sexy son theory and follow that thread if you're interested.

Also, I'm studying to be an endocrinologist and I can say there is a wealth of new information regarding the effects hormones have on each genders brain development. Emotions drive myelination and synaptic production much more than we ever thought, and sex hormones have a huge effect on emotional regulation. There's even recent evidence to support the concept of hypergamy, with a woman who has traded up experiencing an increase in cortisol production post attraction phase and a strong synaptic framework built by an overloading of serotonin during the attraction phase leaving her with the desire to trade up again to alleviate the cortisol. Men have higher testosterone, which stifles free cortisol production abducted makes them less susceptible to this loop, though we definitely still have it in our natures. Again on phone. Read books if you want more information.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I generally perceive people who ask for studies in order to even consider subscribing to a belief (and can't see the logic in it for themselves) as small-minded, stunted and disingenuous people who only ask you for studies as a way of pulling you into their frame and validating their suspicion. It also tells me they mindlessly follow the modern day cult that surrounds academia where everything is automatically rejected if not proven by a study (thus these people need studies just to prove common sense) with studies being handpicked to fit agendas. Plenty of studies aren't even worth the paper they're written on, they are biased or they have data sets which have been falsified. Needless to say, this post is great, so have a delta point. ♂

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[–]2IVIaskerade1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not small-minded to ask for evidence of something before you think about subscribing to the belief.
After all, it's not particularly rational to believe in something for which you don't have any evidence, even if it seems reasonable (this only goes for big things. I'm not going to demand proof that you did in fact go to a coffee shop last weekend when you bring it up in conversation, but I might ask for proof of, say, the hollow earth theory hypothesis.)

You can state that you think that it's likely that that one position is true, but until you have proof, it's foolish to say "this seems more reasonable so it must be right" - wave-particle duality doesn't sound like a rational thing at all, yet it has enough proof behind it that it's considered to be as close to hard facts as science can get.

What is small-minded is to not even consider the other position before dismissing it out of hand. Sure, there might not be evidence, but to categorically refuse to even examine something is how knowledge stagnates.

Of course, this only applies to evidence in aggregate - I can't reasonably expect you to believe me when I've left out the million studies showing I'm wrong and taken the one that says I'm right.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is small-minded is to not even consider the other position before dismissing it out of hand.

Yes, I find these types tend to almost always dismiss out of hand and then say "if you have a study, show it to me." and then carry on not believing your claims anyway. The "got any studies?" question not being a genuine product of curiosity to make an informed decision, but in actual fact a way to try and undermine your belief system and humiliate you by hoping you have no studies to back your point. TRP is a pragmatist philosophy, you do not need studies to demonstrate it, studies are just the icing on the cake. You can test it by going out into the world and seeing if it works for you. If it does, voila. That's how a real "scientist" goes about maintaining their beliefs, IMO. If we lived in a world devoid of academia, TRP would still hold firm.

Regardless, this kind of thread belongs in /r/asktrp, not here.

[–]2trway141 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Just adding two sources to this great list to specifically address AF/BB.

In Richard Wright's "The Moral Animal" it's called dad/cad roles.

It's called the Bovary strategy by this scientist: http://www.unc.edu/~nielsen/soci111/m6/soci111m6.pdf

Then here's something on the 80/20 rule more scientific than the famous OkCupid "women rate 80% of men as below average" data:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19627993

Preselection reinforces that:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24907050

In final, if you're one of those people who wants scientific sources not to actually look at them but just to "convince yourself" that something is true - go to literotica and read stories written by women for women. It'll open your eyes to female sexuality.

[–]4_YRT8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

OP makes a valid point. This is one of the reasons why i suggest TRP should not rely on fictional characters as examples of RP philosophy. TRP should rely on real life examples as empirical evidence of TRP's validity.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I would love to see more science behind it.

That said, I think we are very much open to criticism and scrutiny, unlike feminists, who when they see some evidence contrary to what they believe in they cover their ears and scream la la la la la.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, some studies are there, Heartiste is all about his "Science <3's Game" series of posts. Data from dating sites will support many claims.

But, to go into deeper red pills, you must understand that the institution of academia is not going to fund or allow studies related to The Red Pill to happen fairly, and be published. People trying to will be denied, told it is "unethical" or just turned down for tenure/PHDs. Same reason "Game Talk" would never show up on TV, even if men would watch.

The Red Pill format is not unlike weight training. People coming together experimenting in their real life, reporting back with results, analyzing, and giving names to new trends and happenings in the community.

[–][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why on Earth would you come in here and make petulant demands? Mods, please take this trash out.

[–]ZaoMedong[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Questioning the validity of your ideology is somehow petulant? It's pretty pathetic that an inquiry into your beliefs should removed. You would, I assume, rather just have posts that validate what you already believe. If someone wants to be a Red Piller, they shouldn't just "take your word for it," especially with something like TRP that could drastically alter the way that one views women, relationships and sexuality.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree with the post above's hostility, but you should question the validity of your ideology as well. Why are you so concerned with studies? Have you never just gone out and tried something for yourself? Have you ever read an Op-Ed in a newspaper?

The idea that the institution of academic social science is both unbiased and complete enough to judge what people are saying in full is absurd.

Remember, the truth exists outside of science. Its often a great way of discerning the truth, but it doesn't create truth. You can find truth yourself too if you are willing to put yourself out there and try somethings.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"The idea that the institution of academic social science is both unbiased and complete enough to judge what people are saying in full is absurd."

Hear, hear! ♂

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[–]SelfMadeMonarch1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's great you ask for evidence. Evidence is what lead me here. Evidence is why I formed the views I have long before this sub existed. There's a lot of immature tit hating here (anger phase they call it, i say misogyny as a defense mechanism), but there's also a lot of pragmatic acceptance of reality, you just have to look. I "took the red pill" by studying biology and joined this sub because I was sick of being shamed in every other corner of society for espousing the politically incorrect findings of empirical enquiry into human sexuality. I should point out, just as a man can control his dick, a quality woman can control her hypergamy, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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