Can purely Platonic friendships between men and women be as strong as purely male friendships?
Errol Flynn was one of the most sexually successful (and simultaneously miserable) actors to ever make it to Hollywood. He fucked his way across half the British empire before making his way to England and subsequently beginning his career as an actor. He married (and divorced) multiple women over the course of his life, and bedded hundreds of women over the course of his marriages. Female co-stars in his movies would often fall in love with him merely from working alongside him, regardless of whether or not he tried to seduce them. He is perhaps the most prominent rake of the last hundred years. In addition to this, he was left utterly destitute after he was forced to pay millions in alimony to his numerous wives that refused to relent from sucking him dry of everything he owned.
Despite the fact that Flynn was robbed blind and screwed over by nearly every wife he had, and despite the fact that he expressed his own belief that women were the cause of nearly all of his miseries in life, he expressed a strange sentiment that would seem to contradict his seeming hatred of women.
In his own words:
I learned, when the cards were down, who were my friends and who were not - and these were. Women make better friends than men: good, really honest friends. When the going is tough, give me a woman for a friend. If they happen to care for you, they will go farther than any man.
Thus my question is this: what would the Red Pill have to say about friendships between men and women? Is Flynn right - do women make the best and most loyal friends, or are genuine friendships between men and women even possible?
Edit: The quote is taken from his autobiography "My Wicked, Wicked Ways."
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[–]statusincorporated3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
lmfao
he's not talking about purely platonic male female friendships. these women were crushing/in love with him.
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If you are being “used” by women but also get to fuck a lot of hotties on your way down to the poorhouse, then youre going to have mixed feelings. Flynn sounds like a man who didnt truly know himself, as evinced by the disparity in what he thought women were and what they actually did to him. It smacks of pedestalization... and again, if women are sucking you off, even if you catch their hand in your pocket time and again, a weak willed man will still forgive them and remain enraptured by their charms. Such men are easy pickings for manipulative women, but it can be a fun route to self destruction.
I would bet good momey he had some kind of fucked up experience with women as a child or young man and was subconsciously recreating that in his life time and again because he learned to equate it with love. Psychosexual thirst for dangerous bpd/narcissistic women is a helluva drug.
[–]dusara217[S] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Having read his autobiography, this is largely accurate for the first twenty years of his life. He had a fucked-up relationship with his mother, and his first wife was a textbook BPD woman that fucked him up for a long time. After that, though? If anything, he sucked the innocence straight out of one girl after another. He met his second wife at his own (statutory) rape trial.
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You either die an incel or you live long enough to see yourself become the Chad
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[–]geyges🐇-1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Not gay or anything, but I'd let him fuck me in the ass if there was a slight chance I could have his babies.
[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My lifelong best friend is a dude - there is literally a pic of him as an infant, laid across my mom's belly while she was pregnant with me (our moms were childhood best friends, as were our dads - his parents set mine up)
This is 100% platonic, we've never hooked up, never kissed, nothing. It's honestly kinda revolting to think about, despite him being a good looking dude
Here's my take - based primarily on him, but also other platonic guy friends I've had in my life:
Guy friends show concern and affection in very different ways. They'll physically show up - I went through a particularly rough patch about six months ago, and my childhood best friend somehow sensed it. He drove from Philly to CT just to go to football Sunday with me (go Bills) and ... not really talk about anything in depth. But he showed up, and that meant a lot at that point
Girl friends are my emotional friends. We discuss and analyze everything, and I mean everything. They may not be as willing to physically go the distance, but they are down for a 2 hour phone call if I need to vent or get something off my chest. I have one close girl friend who is currently slightly upset with me bc she thinks I haven't been open with her enough lately (and she's right, I haven't been talking a lot about my feelings. Sometimes even I like to switch that off, lol)
Both my guy friends and my girl friends fill friendship needs, but they do it in different ways
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Mostly it doesn’t work IME.
There are those women who truly are platonic and they don’t become real close friends.
The other kind ends up wanting something more. I let them make the first move, lest they think ”he’s just another guy”.