Q4ALL: How can TRP improve so as to make some of the gains that it's trying to make?

alreadyredschool · 2017-05-21T17:58:21+00:00

"understand the motivations and lived experiences of women?"

You don't need to understand them. It's mostly useless speculation, what's important is how women react, you can observe, quantify and repeat it. So you find something that works, no matter how wrong the why is it still works.

"digest some of the 'whys'" so as to "make some of the gains that they're looking to make?"

By following TRP, this morning I read this comment

I was on my phone and didn't see the flair color anways

What they need instead is to stop whining so much about things they cannot change (female nature) and focus on the things they can: their own actions.
Those angry kids need more stoicism. The TRP sub could emphasize this more.

Textbook TRP, and generally what I have seen in 3 years in this sub is people arguing mostly against angry newcomers who get TRP stuff wrong. There are others who have serious problems with stuff like this

For example, it has been shown repeatedly that women exhibit a stronger preference than men for attributes of ambition, social status, and financial wealth in a partner as well as for a desire for children and a commitment to family, all of which are indicative of the partner’s ability to obtain and willingness to invest the resources necessary for the survival and success of offspring (e.g., refs. 2–10). Similarly, men exhibit a stronger preference than women for features of youthfulness, health, and physical attractiveness in a partner, all of which are indicative of high fecundity and reproductive potential (e.g., refs. 2, 4–8, and 10–12). Furthermore, men often exhibit a stronger preference than women for indicators of sexual fidelity, presumably because males suffer higher costs from being cuckolded than do females (5, 10, 13–14).

So not everyone argues against nothing. But those who do are a weird bunch, they hate RP because people get it wrong, that's an old internet thing most shit flinging happens on the tribal affiliation level and doesn't touch the underlying principles. Arguments like "Hypergamy is wrong" are cool arguments like "That dude who clearly doesn't follow TRP advice but posts on the sub is an idiot that's why I hate TRP" are useless.

"whys," they'd be able to really make some of the gains that they're looking to make.

People who follow the advice make the gains.

Now what can they do? They would have to employ strict moderation. Clean up the sidebar. Like TRP is just tons of information buried under tons of venting (a thing that is tolerated on the sub, not the point of the sub). But how to approach that information? Why is there no guide that tells you what to read, what to do in which order?

It should look something like this - Read the book of pook. Get a gym membership. Approach 10 women per day. Get tinder make your profile like this. Read this about text game. Read this about first dates. Read this about sex. Go out and test it, find your style.

People are angry for several reasons, why is there no definite guide on how to deal with every reason? Also you can't just ban ranting and push it to a new sub where no guy talks them through it.

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-05-21T18:09:05+00:00

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Electra_Cute · 2017-05-21T17:53:42+00:00

I feel like if TRP could actually stop systemizing for a second, and start digesting some of the "whys," they'd be able to really make some of the gains that they're looking to make.

Certain types of individuals are attracted to The Red Pill ideologies, which those types of individuals are usually individuals who enjoy making systems. Anything that is PUA-esque on the Internet that boxes women into categories will inevitably be flooded by the types that enjoy to make systems. There really is now solution except for mass-banning all of the users who do or encourage any of that, which will just create another area for them to discuss.

In what exact way does TRP fail to "understand the motivations and lived experiences of women?"

In the same way the fisherman does not care about what a fishes day looks like, they only care about getting the fish on the hook

This comment was directed at me earlier this week.

Yes, people like you. The people who demand the burning of scientists at the stake. The people who demand Socrates drink hemlock. The people who get rushes of power and belonging by gathering groups to harry anyone who dares to say anything that offends you. They see themselves as moral forces for good, but they are the same people that enforce Nazi Germany, Mao's China, Stalin's Russia, and all the other ruthless totalitarian states. People like you used to be shamed at university where people had to hold and discuss conflicting and often controversial ideas lying outside the mainstream in order to advance human knowledge. Now people like you are ruining what was once the greatest education system on the planet. Now let me really offend you. Women like you won't let men have places that are Men Only. You have to be let into our little clubs. As soon as you are a member, you ruin the club by throwing your hurt feelings and offense at all the men there. You ignore the fact that most of us didn't want you there in the first place. Sometimes men have to discuss real shit and any woman there is a hindrance to that. Because of women like you. Women like you run in telling us to treat you like one of the boys. When one of us is autistic enough to actually believe you, you throw a childish temper tantrum that embarrasses everyone there until we all agree your feelings matter. You then complain that everyone pussyfoots around you afterwards, telling them to treat you like one of the boys. The cycle continues.

The amount of assumptions made was extreme. That individual does not know me, has never met me and will probably never meet me, but that user sounded so sure about my entire life and what I do. But this is what he saw through his limited frame of reference.

And how exactly can TRP "digest some of the 'whys'" so as to "make some of the gains that they're looking to make?"

By mass-banning the people who do not care about the accuracy of the "whys" or the users themselves have to change, which is unlikely.

despisedlove2 · 2017-05-21T18:05:47+00:00

TRP is a bunch of sex-obsessed thirsty men who use defects of female nature against them for a change.

They have neither the need nor the desire to "understand" women the way you talk about.

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SilentLurker666 · 2017-05-22T01:21:03+00:00

1: In what exact way does TRP fail to "understand the motivations and lived experiences of women?"

In the way that TRP is about 'men' and not the 'motivations and lived experience of women' especially when it has to change the narrative so that it became politically correct. AKA it fails in a criteria where it shouldn't apply.

2: How exactly can TRP "digest some of the 'whys'" so as to "make some of the gains that they're looking to make?"

Why is the "Why" so important? You don't need to fully understand the inner-workings of something to make it work for you. TRP isn't exact science, and neither is psychology or any of the social sciences.

TheBlackQuill · 2017-05-22T07:59:57+00:00

Rpers don't even care about the whys in the first place. They just assumed the worst and run with it. They don't trust women at all, their whys don't matter to them, if it means they can protect themselves.

theiamsamurai · 2017-05-22T00:36:16+00:00

Aparently you missed the part where guys naval gaze about womens intentions, and forget to go to the gym or do hard work.

Why is a stupid faggot question, for good reason.

That she does what you want is good enough, the reasons are irrelevant.

Title	Q4ALL: How can TRP improve so as to make some of the gains that it's trying to make?
Author	HopefulAboutADHD
Upvotes	6
Comments	69
Date	May 21, 2017 5:41 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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