Anti-Red Pill Theory [Long post] - Not feminist.

nomdplume · 2016-05-12T23:52:38+00:00

This is NOT a feminist article arguing about morality but an article that argues that the sexual strategy Heartiste espouses is flawed and is bad advice based upon false premises.

Skimmed the first 20% or so.

I have to admit that I'm probably not that familiar with all of what Heartiste has written, but it looks to me like she's pretty much only knocking down strawmen and righteously defending Special Snowflakes. It's a mess, so I didn't really keep reading.

I also saw, in at least a couple spots, where she is inadvertently promoting some RP ideas in her valiant efforts to destroy the strawmen ideas, which is ironically funny.

EDIT

She also seems to be taking aim at EvoPsych a lot in her "responses", but in doing so she indicates a distinct lack of knowledge on the subject. She is not only strawmanning "RP", but EvoPsych as well.

Dietyz · 2016-05-13T04:12:44+00:00

Too many people are concerned with disproving TRP, that shit doesn't matter to anyone that actually reads TRP

If you really wanna defeat TRP what you should be doing is creating an alternative framework that functions in the same way as TRP but with a different set of beliefs. Profiling, stereotyping and association are completely normal and shouldn't be frowned upon as much as they are(although it should be less based on gender/race, but we will not get rid of this in general). Sure, they are potentially destructive, but the human race is inherently destructive so I don't see why we rebel against this idea so often. I notice a lot of people have a very false view of how accepting and compassionate they are, they value themselves too much on what they hypothetically would do or think and not enough on reality

Whisper · 2016-05-13T20:59:40+00:00

This is NOT a feminist article arguing about morality but an article that argues that the sexual strategy Heartiste espouses is flawed and is bad advice based upon false premises.

Always these criticisms are launched against the reasoning of redpill material, rather than its empiricism.

If you argue that this stuff shouldn't work, you're then left to explain why it does.

disposable_pants · 2016-05-13T15:40:57+00:00

I got past the introduction to the very first line of Section II, and then we start running into factual problems. The line is:

First, by the time you have your first boner at puberty, you have already experienced more than a decade of environmental influence.

Now, since Ozy does not have a penis, she probably doesn't understand the basic anatomical fact that boys experience erections as early as still in the womb, and certainly as young children well before puberty.

I'm not trying to nit-pick something to death, but when you start with a blatantly incorrect premise in the opening line of your section on men, it makes it very difficult to take anything else said afterwards seriously.

Zackorrigan · 2016-05-13T18:53:36+00:00

Well red pill isn't only about relationship theory, I'm mostly feminist but I disagree about some points sexism against men. I think most of my friends would never thought that I read the red pill as "You're such a perfect man respectful of women". I don't really care about the alpha stuff, I just like having a place where men can speak freely (not easy to find nowadays). But anyway everybody who speaks about the red pill will just think what it's the worst in their point of view, they will never speak about how for some male survivors of rape it may be one of the only place on the web where to get help. That some men as me don't know how to act in this society where some women want you to act like a macho and some want you to act as a modern man.

[deleted] · 2016-05-14T04:20:16+00:00

Let's not conflate Heartiste with Redpill and Game.

Maybe he started out that way, but he has since migrated to become a white nationalist and traditionalist.

For example, and this is a viewpoint I share, it is certainly true that the unrestrained sexuality of women is detrimental to civilization.

But this isn't really relevant to TRP, because TRP is about sexual strategy. To TRP, unrestrained sexuality is good if you can take advantage of it, bad if you get duped into being the cleanup guy after bouncers, gangbangers, and motorcycle punks did a bukkake on your girlfriend.

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Title	Anti-Red Pill Theory [Long post] - Not feminist.
Author	karmacrunch
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Date	May 12, 2016 11:29 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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