Why do political lesbians exist, but there is no political gay movement?

PostNationalism · 2015-09-19T13:48:56+00:00

... Where have you been living for the last decade or so?

andrewisgood · 2015-09-19T15:54:55+00:00

I've heard about this recently on a Stuff Mom Never Told You podcast on the Lavender Menace, which described issues with 2nd wave feminism and the LGBT community, which is a fascinating listen. It's actually very critical of 2nd wave feminism in regards to its intersectionality and acceptance of different women. They didn't want to be associated with the stereotype of all feminists are man hating lesbians so they kinda pushed them out of the club.

So political lesbianism is essentially, and I maybe wrong, completely against the patriarchy and anything involving men. I think that's the case though, it's been a few weeks. It came up after some backlash to these exclusionary feminists. One issue brought up though was, 2nd wave feminism at points may've crossed the line between the fight for equality to out and out misandry. It also goes hand and hand with TERFs, who don't believe trains women are women.

Also, apparently TERFs consider that a slur, which is hilarious as they are discriminating against people and hate how a neutral term is a slur against them. They prefer Men Exclusionary Radical Feminists, or MERFs. I say that to tie everything together and say that I would not be accepted by these people, and sometimes people are told they're not good enough feminists, which may either be said by political lesbians or at them. I guess it's to show that feminism is a huge concept that shouldn't be boiled down to "sexual strategy" by the ignorant.

wuboo · 2015-09-19T14:01:00+00:00

What? Have you not seen all the politics around marriage?

Political lesbians are fucking annoying.

tamagg · 2015-09-19T14:04:23+00:00

If you're talking about men rejecting women on political grounds that's what MGTOW is.

geargiaccelerator · 2015-09-19T18:31:56+00:00

The only thing I can find close to this is Milo Yiannapolis.

wazzup987 · 2015-09-21T05:26:19+00:00

Most actual lesbian dont like political lesbians.

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max_peenor · 2015-09-19T22:03:57+00:00

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wombatinaburrow · 2015-09-19T23:58:22+00:00

Feminism in theory, lesbianism in practice was the hard edge of the radfem hard edge of the 2nd wave militants. Basically they didn't want to coexist alongside anything with a tallywhacker. Men have, until recently, not been interested in such collective isolationist thought.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2015-09-20T22:08:41+00:00

mostly because male sexuality is not as fluid as the female version. Men want to fuck women, women just want to be desired. Norah Vincent proved this when pretending to be a man and hitting on other women, who were still interested after she revealed herself to be a man.

wont_tell_i_refuse · 2015-09-21T17:36:00+00:00

I don't know about gays, but there are definitely political trans people. Betas who have an "awakening" and become trans as some kind of weird logical extension of "respecting women". I doubt seriously these guys would ever actually chop off their balls or take a dick in their ass over pure principle, but they do exist.

[deleted] · 2015-09-21T17:36:05+00:00

Because men cannot really turn gay unless they are, you know, actually into dick.

f3yleaf · 2015-09-19T15:17:34+00:00

Because gay men generally do not feel they are competing against women sexually(women have a greater sexual fluidity) And men lack the in-group preference that women have.

theozoph · 2015-09-19T15:19:45+00:00

The whole LGBT movement was started by gays. Act Up (led by gay men) was the reason AIDS became a "cause célèbre", and if you think we'd have gay marriage without a male gay political movement, you're seriously misinformed.

Now, maybe you're thinking about a movement to encourage all men to embrace the gay lifestyle, like radfem encourage all women to become "political lesbians", and to keep genders segregated.

It exists, too, but it's simply feminism. It's the whole meaning of "toxic masculinity".

Title	Why do political lesbians exist, but there is no political gay movement?
Author	tamagg
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Date	September 19, 2015 1:46 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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