'Sexual market value' and 'Looks money status' are just cop outs to feel better about not talking to women.

Carkudo · 2015-04-25T09:25:01+00:00

I talk to women. Most of my friends, including some of the closest, are women. I go out, hang out with people and in most of my social groups I'm the guy that comes up with and starts stuff.

I also used to be confident in my ability to get women. I would approach, try to flirt and always, without exception, get shot down immediately. I'm just that unattractive.

I'm turning 31 in several days and I'm still a virgin.

I have the balls to ask that girl. I just don't have enough to actually get her interested.

So fuck you, OP. And every other asshole who says that unsuccessful men just don't try. That's the real cop out.

penguincheerleader · 2015-04-25T09:39:24+00:00

But for the average joe, I honestly think that improving your confidence, game and to some extent your appearance is more important.

Yeah, no shit. Money makes you more attractive, but it's a third order concern behind personality and physical looks.

Seems like a nice strawman you have set up, be a shame if anybody knocked it down...

[deleted] · 2015-04-25T16:20:48+00:00

It seems like an excuse to me; the reason I'm not getting laid is because I don't have big enough muscles / enough money and not because I didn't have the balls to ask that girl in the club to dance with me.

approaching women and trying to talk to them is harassment. didn't you get the memo?

TheGreasyPole · 2015-04-25T09:33:14+00:00

Eye roll. I can't really change your view about human relationships as you appear to be something like "90% unconsciously RP".

I can try and change your view that RP is running from this, for some reason.

RP guys agree that all the positive traits you have listed are really useful traits to have or develop. Like I said, you seem to be more or less RP if that's how you think about it.

SMV and Alpha/Beta (Looks/Money) are ways of describing the model in which your "lifestyle recommendations" fit.

You think that model is "running from the lifestyle changes" you list.

It isn't.

It's the model that tells you those changes you list are important, why they are important, how they work and how to gain a sophisticated understanding of how they fit and click together.

Your view that it's running and hiding is wrong. It's not... They are saying "here's why being fun, flirty, chatty in the club work. Hers how muscles fit into that paradigm. Here's how money fits into that paradigm. Here's the complete jigsaw. Now, work out what is useful to you and your personal strengths/weaknesses/lifestyle... Go do that... When you do chuck us back an FR as a way of paying it forward, helps us keep refining the model"

And so RP grows... A man gets to the summit. Sees further. Throws his pebble down on the pile he just climbed up and enjoys the view. The next guy to summit gets to be one pebble higher, see one pebble further, throws his own pebble on.... Then they have a nice single malt, a cigar, and a chat together while they wait for more men to make the summit, throw a pebble down, and join their little malt whisky and cigar club.

blametheboogie · 2015-04-25T11:39:37+00:00

I would agree with you that putting time in socializing and improving your game will give you better returns in meeting women than more hours in the gym will assuming you're in somewhat decent shape already. Unfortunately in the USA almost half of our people are not in somewhat decent shape.

The whole having a decent career (you don't have to be rich) thing matters a lot more when you get older though.

[deleted] · 2015-04-25T21:13:12+00:00

It seems like an excuse to me; the reason I'm not getting laid is because I don't have big enough muscles / enough money and not because I didn't have the balls to ask that girl in the club to dance with me.

Girls who want casual sex make their own choices about who they want to have sex with. They're not passive receptacles standing around waiting for guys to talk to them. They'll use eye contact, smiling at someone, walking past them so close they're touching the guy, dancing near them, actually just jumping in front of them and dancing on the dance floor etc.

It must be so, so hard for a guy to keep his confidence up if he keeps trying to talk to women in nightclubs and keeps getting rejected.

It's nothing to do with having no 'balls' if a guy can't get a woman at a nightclub. Remember that women are actively doing the choosing and subtle approaching. They don't want the guy they're not interested in to talk to them.

In my experience, the guys that get laid regularly are those that are sociable, fun, and approach women with confidence; their pay checks never factor in to it.

I agree with this. If a woman is looking for casual sex, she's not looking for a paycheck.

alreadyredschool · 2015-04-25T10:33:23+00:00

No, it's all about approaching and bedding women.

[deleted] · 2015-04-25T21:43:47+00:00

As I have said before your appearance is most important. Do everything for yourself, but your appearance is what people judge you on.

Yes, there are lot of soft bodies that get laid. They are the averages because there are only so many fit people in the world. More than half of the United States is overweight or obese. That overweight period mostly starts during college when everyone is out getting drunk and not exercising.

Being fit won't get you laid automatically but it makes the path to getting laid a hell of a lot easier. And people respect fit people more in social interactions.

And notice I said "fit" and necessarily muscular. A rock climbers body will get you more leeway than a linebackers.

[deleted] · 2015-04-25T13:20:50+00:00

Typical BP strawman. It is assinine and insulting if you think TRP guys doesn't talk to women.

Title	'Sexual market value' and 'Looks money status' are just cop outs to feel better about not talking to women.
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Date	April 25, 2015 9:16 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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