You people are fucking terrifying. Do you realize that?

[deleted] · 2014-01-30T01:06:47+00:00

And obviously I'm a close minded prick without any intent on actually debating.

And how!

CFRProflcopter · 2014-01-30T01:25:42+00:00

I have one question for you. Don't you want to be able to defend what you believe in? If your answer is yes, I suggest you edit your post to not violate sub rules (it would take like 10 seconds).

Its wrong to judge women based on how many women they sleep with.

Maybe, maybe not. Statistically, women and men that have lots of sexual partners have higher divorce rates. That's true. If you're not interested in marriage, then I would say it doesn't matter.

Its justified to base equality on outcomes. Opportunity isn't good enough. The ends justify the means.

No, I believe in equal opportunity. I don't think many people believe in actual "equality."

Every damn metric where women come up short is some oppressive social construct. Biology don't real.

No. I wouldn't assert this. I'd say we don't know whether differences are innate are environmental unless proven otherwise.

Apparently the battle for women's rights hasn't been won yet.

That's a much bigger issue.

Women are somehow still a disadvantaged class.

I wouldn't say so. For the most part, women do have equal opportunity. There are a few assholes who make sure that women don't in some scenarios. I was talking to a red piller the other day that said he wouldn't hire a female CEO even if she had the best resume and the best interview of all the candidates. Would you call that equal opportunity?

It's a bunch of dudes that got hurt by women, that don't want to get hurt by women anymore. You people are literally getting offended at the shit guys say after their wives leave them, or get continuously rejected and can't figure out why.

A lot of PPD contributors sympathize with them. If you took the time to be less confrontational, you might see that side of the sub. There have been hundreds of conversations where we talk about real issues, where men have been hurt and we actually work through their problems.

You guys just have this fucking way of taking traditions and morality and turning it on its head.

The way debate works, you have to defend your traditions and your morals. The fact that a tradition exists does not give it merit.

This is fucking terrifying. I'm a parent. I have a little girl whom I love more than life itself. I'm absolutely mortified by the fact that I know shes going to be influenced more by her friends than I ever will be.

I completely understand, but I think you need to stop being so defensive. You're scared. Fear makes us blind. You need to put aside your fear if you want to be rational.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm breaking about 300 rules. And obviously I'm a close minded prick without any intent on actually debating. But there it is.

Yeah, you are breaking rules, however I think you'd be open to having a conversation. I addressed the parts of your post that didn't break any rules.

Dip_the_Dog · 2014-01-30T01:49:05+00:00

This is fucking terrifying. I'm a parent. I have a little girl whom I love more than life itself.

And when you see people on TRP saying things like "Man, I swear to god, all bitches are sluts... AWALT!" does that not make you terrified? Is the average "Red Pill" man the kind of person you would like your daughter to have a relationship with in the future?

polyhooly · 2014-01-30T02:00:50+00:00

Its wrong to judge women based on how many women they sleep with.

If you don't want to be with a woman who has a high partner count, that is your prerogative. It is, however, wrong to think you have the right to demean these women, and to think your opinion about them matters to them or anyone else.

Its justified to base equality on outcomes. Opportunity isn't good enough. The ends justify the means.

Equal outcomes for equal outcome's sake is not something I think many people strive for. I do, however, look at situations with very lopsided outcomes with suspicion of possibly not being conducive to equal opportunity.

Every damn metric where women come up short is some oppressive social construct. Biology don't real.

I believe we are a combination of nature and nurture, and that many times it is very hard to distinguish where one ends and the other begins. TRP, on the other hands, tends to lean toward every metric where women come up short as innate and concrete.

Apparently the battle for women's rights hasn't been won yet.

In the Western world the battle is not so much legal as it was in the past (there still are issues like birth control), however the main goal is focused on societal institutions, in which gender bias still does exist.

Women are somehow still a disadvantaged class.

I believe that women face more challenges because of their gender than men.

It's a bunch of dudes that got hurt by women, that don't want to get hurt by women anymore. You people are literally getting offended at the shit guys say after their wives leave them, or get continuously rejected and can't figure out why.

Getting scorned by someone does not give you the right to harbor hate toward and dehumanize their entire gender.

You guys just have this fucking way of taking traditions and morality and turning it on its head.

I believe that everything, including tradition, should be questioned and turned on its head. Blindly accepting something because it is tradition is, to me, weak and lazy.

Fuck your source. Fuck your peer reviewed research. Its bad, simply, because you're being a selfish fucking whore.

I'm a selfish fucking whore because I believe in not denigrating people's sex life?

This is fucking terrifying.

I find a group of men who truly believe in the inherent inferiority of women, that women lack some of the most basic traits that define us as human, to be terrifying.

I'm a parent. I have a little girl whom I love more than life itself.

Do you feel her intelligence is inherently inferior to males? She is incapable of loyalty, honesty, integrity, etc...?

Because of people like you, she might be pressured to never become - wait for it - a fucking MOM!

LOL, what?

What a fucking tragedy! But that wouldn't be nearly as bad as - GASP, being a good wife for someone by considering what he likes!

Oh man, if being a good wife and mom is tragic, then I must be the most tragic Red Pill woman ever.

RP: "Man, I swear to god, all bitches are sluts... AWALT!" BP: "Nuhuh, I say NAWALT!!! I'm not a slut so there." RP: "Fine, so they're not all sluts. Good, maybe there is luck for me finding some wholesome chick after all." BP: "Da fuq does that matter? Sex isn't bad! It's good to enjoy sex!" RP: "Fine! I'll get as much of it as I possibly can!" BP: "What the fuck are we to you? Just objects?"

There is not a Blue Piller who would condemn you for being promiscuous. The outrage over TRP's objectification of women comes from comments that literally say a woman is only good for her pussy. This is a controversial among TRP, but many users would say all women are sluts, and it is your job, as a man, to domesticate this if you want LTR. Some believe that there is no domesticating women from their natural whorishness, the MGTOW movement. So please, really, explain to me how you can reconcile your subscription to an ideology that has expressed what I just wrote almost verbatim, as an allegedly loving father of a little girl.

CFRProflcopter · 2014-01-30T02:09:26+00:00

I am just about ready to remove this post. But you know what? Have your little vent for now. I'll probably remove it in a bit, but for now I want to say a few things.

You guys just have this fucking way of taking traditions and morality and turning it on its head.

Do you know what the subtext of this subreddit is? "Question what you believe". It's not productive to throw a tantrum because people actually want you to do that, because they believe different things than you.

Your pseudo-academic requirements for claims of general fucking sensibility are UNREAL.

What are "sensibility" and simple traditional values to you may be something entirely different to someone else. So, when you say "don't sleep around", if all you can say is that you wouldn't date a woman like that, well that's not exactly compelling reason not to do something.

It's instead, "SOURCE PLEASE. I'd like some fucking peer reviewed research to let me know why being a slut is bad." Fuck your source. Fuck your peer reviewed research. Its bad, simply, because you're being a selfish fucking whore.

You calling people "whores" and "sluts" show your prejudices for women that sleep around. If it's against your morality and what you want from a woman, then that's fine. Your opinions don't count to everyone else though, and your morality is NOT universal.

without any intent on actually debating. But there it is.

Yes. From what it appears, you just want a mountain to shout down to people from. What you're saying is "HOW COULD YOU PEOPLE BE OK WITH BEING SLUTS?!?!"

Because people have different values, dude. Calm down please. If you have an opinion, a debate forum is here to challenge that opinion and try to see if there's any validity in it. If you can't handle that without throwing a fit and using words like "selfish fucking whore" then you have no place here. Seriously, explain why you feel it's necessary to call someone a whore, a slut, or anything else besides your own amped up emotions. If you can do that calmly, without the personal insults, then you can stay.

artthoumadbrother · 2014-01-30T02:30:28+00:00

Gee, you don't sound angry at all. I wonder why people think TRP is a hate group...

[deleted] · 2014-01-30T02:35:36+00:00

As long as we're breaking rules, you're an asshole. Like, a genuine Grade-A "close minded prick."

Its wrong to judge women based on how many women they sleep with.

Yes. This is true. Are these women hurting you? Are they hurting anyone? Divorce statistics, contrary to what TRP likes to say, are correlated with both male and female partner counts. And regardless, if your values aren't compatible with having a high partner count, then don't goddamn marry someone with a high partner count. But you don't need to be a prick about what other people do in their personal lives.

You guys just have this fucking way of taking traditions and morality and turning it on its head.

Holy shit, you don't mean to tell me that traditions change, do you? Shit. I was under the weird impression that humanity as a species has a tendency to neither grow nor change. Guess I should stop voting, drop out of school, and move back in with my parents until they find a ~~nice~~ socially and financially acceptable man so they can trade me for a dowry. That was also traditional at one point.

Your pseudo-academic requirements for claims of general fucking sensibility are UNREAL.

You say general sensibility, I say intolerant, backwards thinking. You think it's common sense that only women are adversely affected by having multiple sexual partners, and most of the modern Western world disagrees with you.

Heaven forbid you merely suggest to a woman "Hey, maybe you should slow down and value your relationships a bit more."

Not if she isn't looking for a relationship at this point. Now, if you also say this to the men over in /r/seduction or /r/TheRedPill as well, then I will have to rescind a lot of what I say about you. But since you go out of your way to specifically talk about women sleeping around, I don't think you do. Believe it or not, there are some people who don't want to settle down too young. In fact, I'm sure you can believe it since you seem to frequent TRP, and there are plenty of men there saying that.

"SOURCE PLEASE. I'd like some fucking peer reviewed research to let me know why being a slut is bad."

Yeah, you know what? I want a good goddamn reason why a woman shouldn't be able to enjoy sex as much as a man. It's fun and it feels good, which isn't gender-specific. And, no, " because you're being a selfish fucking whore" isn't a reason, it's an opinion. How does a young woman having and enjoying sex make her selfish?

You people somehow manage to justify the divorce rate as a good thing.

There are some people who are legitimately happier unmarried. What's it to you? Like, really, how does it affect you one bit if someone is in an unhappy marriage and chooses to end it? What difference does it make in your life? How is it your business?

Because of people like you, she might be pressured to never become - wait for it - a fucking MOM!

That she is actually a part of an oppressed class of people that is systematically being kept down by some mystical ideology.

Your ideology. You literally vilified the idea of your child deciding to become a firefighter or a journalist, and said that the only reason she would want to have a career is so that she can "whore around" in "men's spaces." If that's how you feel about the idea of women having a career, then you're exactly what TBP has a problem with.

No one on TBP says being a mom is bad. They say being a mom if you don't want to be a mom, or being a mom before you're ready is bad.

"I think its funny that they think they have some hidden knowledge that the rest of the world doesn't know about."

Why shouldn't this be funny? That's the entire meaning of the Red Pill metaphor: they believe they are the Morpheus to the rest of the world's Neo, and that anyone who disagrees with them is just "plugged in." They make their position unfalsifiable by saying that anyone who disagrees with them is just not aware of this grander truth that they found on reddit.

You people are literally getting offended at the shit guys say after their wives leave them, or get continuously rejected and can't figure out why.

You do know that it's possible to deal with frustration without resorting to "DAE women are totally hypergamous whores who will sleep with any Alpha who makes her 'gina tingle?", right? Because that's what we laugh at. People who are so immature that they have to put their own problems on women as a gender, and who are so blinded by their own frustrations that they decide that it makes more sense to say all women are awful instead of thinking "hey, maybe this particular woman was a shitty person," or "hmmm, maybe it's not that girls like assholes, it's that I'm half-assing my friendship with them so that they'll sleep with me!"

I've been hurt in relationships before, and you know what my reaction was? "Wow, he's an asshole. Better not continue to communicate with him so that I can move on with my life." You know what it wasn't? "Men are all assholes! I should go on the internet to circle-jerk about how mean they are!"

And obviously I'm a close minded prick without any intent on actually debating.

Yes. That's exactly what you are. It's made pretty apparent by the fact that you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is a morally repugnant whore.

EDIT: typos

angatar_ · 2014-01-30T02:40:05+00:00

Fuck your source. Fuck your peer reviewed research. Its bad, simply, because you're being a selfish fucking whore.

Shit, we lost, guys. Pack it in, /u/mrsamsa, you're just never going to reach this level of discourse.

whenifeellikeit · 2014-01-30T02:11:53+00:00

You say that it's a support group for men who have been hurt by women. That much is also made obvious by visiting TRP. However, the philosophies this support group backs are the problem, not the motivations behind their creation. Imagine a support group for OCD people that suggests that in order to stop obsessing about how if you don't go check the door again, your daughter will be kidnapped, you instead go make sure the oven is off. An AA group whose main goal is to get everybody switched to cocaine, because drinking was wrong. These groups would be completely ineffective, because they focus on a "solution" that doesn't actually treat the problem. It creates a new focus, but it doesn't lead to lasting a lasting solution for the actual problem.

[deleted] · 2014-01-30T02:25:40+00:00

First off. I am sorry that I said your earlier comment was horrible. That was responding in kind and I should have made more substantial points and not simply attacked you.

Now, this is a whole lot of strawmen, but I will try to respond to at least two of your points.

It's a bunch of dudes that got hurt by women, that don't want to get hurt by women anymore. You people are literally getting offended at the shit guys say after their wives leave them, or get continuously rejected and can't figure out why.

What about the college and high school kids who don't have much experience in life and believe the shit that TRPers shovel into them? Can we be worried and offended when someone takes all that advice seriously and enters an abusive relationship like /u/skinny_bitches claimed to have? Or get blackout drunk and possibly murders/rapes women like one TRP claimed before he deleted his account out of fear of real life repercussions for what he admitted to? Can we get offended when they wish to commit violence or idolize people like Mark Lepine or George Sodini? Is that okay or is that just a bunch of bitter divorced men blowing off steam? I think those are all legitimate things to be offended by.

Because of people like you, she might be pressured to never become - wait for it - a fucking MOM! Holy shit! What a fucking tragedy! But that wouldn't be nearly as bad as - GASP, being a good wife for someone by considering what he likes!

Nobody is pressuring anybody not to do these things. If a woman doesn't want to get married and/or have children then more power to her. If she wants to have a career and then start a family, that's great and she should have that option. If she wants to get married and start pumping out kids, that's fine as well, but it should have been a choice and not something she is expected to do or forced to do.

Vault91 · 2014-01-30T01:54:30+00:00

Get off your high horse

It's not a support group...and if it is its a shitty one

CFRProflcopter · 2014-01-30T01:33:12+00:00

MOD NOTE: I'm leaving this here for now. It breaks about every forum rule, but I want to see how it plays out. Compassionate posts only. Do not address parts of the post that break forum rules. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

As a community, we try to be as open as possible. In that spirit, I'm giving this a go. I'll talk it over with the other mods.

Title	You people are fucking terrifying. Do you realize that?
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Date	January 30, 2014 12:59 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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