Date Results - - Several Questions

abdada · 2015-04-24T01:20:49+00:00

Listen to snippets of what she says and return to focus on details. The key to conversation is to keep her talking because women love to blab. If you run out of steam, change venues. Changing venues builds intimacy and trust, too.
Flirty topics can be tough. Charisma and confidence both exude flirtiness by nature, but it's a chicken/egg problem. Never hurts to ask her questions about the environment like "our waitress: would you hit it?" or if you're really cocky, fat shame some hambeast in the room and after she laughs/supports you, glance at her body and ask about her workouts, etc.
I get the kiss close out of the way early on, not at the end of the date. A great first date should involve 3 venues, get the kiss close out of the way before leaving the first venue.

Keep at it. Game more women. You will find your strengths.

SkorchZang · 2015-04-24T02:26:16+00:00

You went for the kiss close and the description suggests she enjoyed the fuck out of it. A typical beta wouldn't have the balls, or the good end result. It's almost like you eclipse and cancel all of the bad with just a little giggle-tingle inducing alpha act.

To keep the conversation flowing, let her talk most of the time. Focus all your inner senses on her, and enjoy everything about how she fidgets with her hair, rolls her eyes, pouts her lips, all of that delicious objectification you're never supposed to do. Mentally do it. If you do that, your natural inclination will be to interject polite but hungry sounding lead phrases like "oh really your friend Judy said that? that's...fucked up...tell me more". They'll be rare and relaxed. Almost no intelligent content needs to come from your side at all. The less you're concerned about you, looking good or saying something clever/smart, the better you do in this department. Eventually it's like you're not even there, you're just helping the girl's chatterbox run itself happily into your bed, while dropping jokes here and there to amuse yourself.

Best part is how you can barely have said anything over a night, and she'll be gushing to Judy about what an amazing person to talk to you turned out to be.

It helps to know the good topics from the bad. If a topic is something that you would find on a chart, fact sheet, corporate brochure, or it can be answered with a number, SKIP that shit. Does nothing to her or for you.

The best topics involve blurry vaguelly sexy themes of escape, doing stuff to unwind and let go, sensual descriptions of places or activities (talking about sex, without actually talking about sex), and strong emotions whether positive or negative. This way you find out the most important elements - what your girl likes, not intellectual but in terms of what kind of a creature she is, what she's all about, take note mentally of the keywords she uses all the time. Slowly start tickling her sexuality with your topics "from underneath", weaving her own words into your stories or questions. Innuendo and "piquant" comparisons... If she's sitting there staring at you constantly not sure if you just said what she thinks you just said... you know you're doing it just right. Go for slightly condescending tones even. She should be squirming, her skin crawling from sensing that RAW LUST HUNGER from you as you talk about sweet nothings at each other.

TRPdoctor · 2015-04-24T02:19:56+00:00

Escalate sooner. Flirtiness is pretty natural after you've kissed. If you wait until the end of the hangout (please don't call it a date) its built up too much and shows lack of assertiveness. You need to come off as a sexual being from the get-go, especially if you are hanging out 1on1. That's an IOI in itself.

Kissing should be the appetizer of the night. Don't ever pay much attention to a "kiss close" because honestly, it is not a close. Fuck her brains out, and then talk about some sort of close.

If she laughed at you wanting to kiss her then cut contact and game other women. She may come back, she may not but it's no longer worth the investment of your time if shes going to laugh at your sexual needs. This should be a boundary that you have set because you are a high value male.

As far as conversation goes, I always think of it as coming from a scanning perspective - get her to try and qualify for you. Pick on her while she does this and really get her to invest. Make it fun, stop focusing on the conversation so logistically. You don't need to qualify yourself to her, simply not trying to do so and passing shit tests makes you qualified. Maintain your frame and eye contact. If you look away, look to the side as if you lost interest. Never look down as this shows you are submissive. Take up space. Smile with that "shit eating grin" when she tries to impress you. Don't agree with everything she says, doing so wont win you any panty points.

gweneverexoxo · 2015-04-24T02:52:23+00:00

tips for next time:

regarding #1: you said you failed to be spontaneous and failed to keep the conversation going. there are lots of tricks to this. first, things you said before but not to her are new things to her. that means you can easily "pre~date" prep the topics you are going to talk about, all you would need then is a good memory. also do not keep the same topoc too long, learn to read her emotions. if shes not into the topic, switch topics immediately. i remember learning about the five topic rule, that means to always keep five topocs going at the same time, switching bavk and forth between topocs as needed. eventually with enough girls, you wont have to do this and can come up with topics on the fly. you can also study up on some topics other people have pulled. those often involve playing a game with the girl。

regarding #2: this is mainly because of the lack of kino escalation. from your description, you did not kino above an awkward kiss, which is a failure of that date. learn how and when to kino escalate. also to initiate more physical activities etc during the date. tricks to this includes switching venues, hold hands between areas, picking the girl up/slightly rough play during physical. venues such as going ice skating etc. you dont need the conversations to be sexual. as long as youre kino escalating properly, you both know where this is going. also negs and making fun of the girl are "sexual" coversation.

regarding#3: this situation can be interpreted many ways. one is she is just playing around, not being seriois while youre being really serious. that is bad. it means youre not important to her. also from your description, you sound a bit shy, not wanting her enough. also try to get the kiss out of thway early, so there isnt so much stress between you two. also if the same thing happens again, if the girl is pulling away etc, back off completely, no touch at all to make her feel suddenly rejected. and let her initiate instead

UlyssesElias · 2015-04-24T06:30:25+00:00

You are only 50% responsible for the conversation. If she's just as tongue tied as you then the date should be aborted as quickly as possible.

DarkisKnight · 2015-04-24T06:44:43+00:00

This is a good little askTRP. I like that it was short and to the point with clear formatting. Too often I'm reading these walls of text with way too much information.

Here's my two cents:

You could go as far as having some stories to tell that you've thought out or written out in advance that demonstrate higher value or elicit certain reactions (i.e. seduction). Or accept that it's going to be awkward until you get some experience under your belt.
Flirting is all about body language. Realize that all women want sex as much as you do and therefore you become comfortable using innuendo and expressing yourself as a sexual being.
Escalate physically during the date to warm her up. Kiss close in the middle of the date if logistically feasible. When you lock eyes move in for the kiss but pay attention to her body language...if she moves away pull back. More kino and building rapport and attempt again later.

Questions?

forgotmypa55word · 2015-04-24T07:23:30+00:00

1.+ 2. I usually just ask open ended questions and tease the girl about the stupid shit she says. If she wants to hear stuff about me (ex: what do you do?) I'll say something stupid on the spot (ex: help old laddies with their groceries and then steal their wallets). If she persists, I'll keep it brief and then get her talking again.

The reason you want to keep someone talking is that they will feel naturally inferior to you if you're the one listening. When I say listen, I don't mean hear what they say and then process it through your life to see how it applies and then sharing your FASCINATING (/s) observations with the other person. Do that and you just placed yourself on equal footing. When you listen you keep it about them. Being the listener basically says: "all my shit is tight, clearly you're the one that needs to be judged/helped." This applies in sales and in seduction (but they're really the same).

For the most part it doesn't matter what you say, it's 90% about your tone and body language. How often do you think about words when you speak and how often do you think about tone and body language? Kino counts as body language in my books. More than half of what I say to a girl is just to escalate kino.

It's not suppose to be smooth. Nothing is. Do you expect to be James fucking Bond?

pirateninj4 · 2015-04-24T11:36:41+00:00

Sounds like you did fine mate.

1.) Old hookups and boyfriends are fine. Blackdragon uses this in his first date routine as a way to build SMV for yourself by highlighting their fuckups and beta moves.

2.) Be direct. It won't feel natural at first, but the more often you are, the easier it'll be.

3.) Nothing to see here.

Good post, would contribute again. Liked how you didn't wank on about how awesome you were.

MachiavellianRed · 2015-04-24T12:27:41+00:00

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Title	Date Results - - Several Questions
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Date	April 24, 2015 1:14 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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