I’m a male feminist who wants to debate with MGTOW

DevDaniels1 · 2019-12-03T14:50:17+00:00

I’m following this post for the shitshow that’s inevitable

Marque01 · 2019-12-03T14:58:26+00:00

I think your tampon is slipping out. Better run to the powder room to reinsert it.

PS. FUCK OFF

quickGunShoot · 2019-12-03T15:00:33+00:00

Why should women’s sports team should be payed equal to men’s if they are not generating equal revenue? The same goes for any field.

Northmaster · 2019-12-03T15:11:40+00:00

What the fuck is a male feminist? That’s like saying you’re a Jewish nazi.....

sneakers4331 · 2019-12-03T15:02:11+00:00

How about you fuck yourself. Mangina bitch

BlaZackin · 2019-12-03T14:51:41+00:00

2019-12-03T14:58:01+00:00

This should be interesting

Israfelll · 2019-12-03T15:10:58+00:00

First you need to define what particular flavor of feminist you are.

What today is feminism? Define it.

Why do you identify as one?

Read the side bar and some of your questions will be answered.

MiddleAgedMGTOW · 2019-12-03T15:03:37+00:00

Why?

ironmanknowsjoe · 2019-12-03T15:16:30+00:00

The wage gap is a myth perpetuated by those who do not understand mathematics and/or economics. That is all

TaiYongMedical · 2019-12-03T15:26:57+00:00

We don't negotiate with terrorists. Go post in the MRA subreddit.

greyman0425 · 2019-12-03T15:28:56+00:00

Wanting both the privileges of equality and privileges of elite women under patriarchy at the same time, with little of the responsibility.

PanderjitSingh_k · 2019-12-03T15:12:28+00:00

It’s great that you recognize that feminism is opposed to equality.

Big first stop toward becoming a decent person. Now go forth and educate yourself.

BrianDescartes · 2019-12-03T15:20:31+00:00

Women aren't equal to men. Men are better corporate leaders and perform better in sports. These are facts.

Women are conditioned to play the victim and the courts bend over backwards for them. A woman has only to accuse a man and that man goes to prison with zero due process. Women are great at playing the victim.

Divorce court is 100% designed to take away a man's wealth and give it to the woman. It only takes one divorce to ruin a man

Knowing this, why would a male feminist come to MGTOW to ask us for a debate? My money my choice. I go my own way because the system of women is broken. I like my money and reputation.

Also, women are very likely to fuck a couple hundred men and women, get covered in tattoos, strip on the internet for money, then marry some desperate loser like you in order to have him pay for her three illigitimate children. That is not the kind of wife I want.

narmohare · 2019-12-03T15:48:26+00:00

I respect the men here on MGTOW, I personally believe in the MGTOW views, you are a feminist man, on an MGTOW sub. I respect you for fighting for what you believe in. It takes more courage to fight for something you believe in than to sit idly by.

Now thats we have that established, I think you are asking the wrong questions. Feminism is built on lies, historically, women HAVE NOT been oppressed. We often hear "well women used to not be able to vote". Most people couldn't vote, if you didn't own a business, or large amounts of land, OR have influential political power, then you would not vote.

For the arguement that women have never had any power, we have Cleopatra, Catherine the Great, Queen Victoria, Elizabeth the 2nd, and Eleanor of Acquaintane. Just to name a few.

Lets get back to your original arguement question now that we have established that feminism has no solid base. " Are men and women's differences underplayed in the media?" Yes, for the simple fact that media portrays women as perfect, smart strong individuals, while men are seen as dumb, ignorant and lazy.

"If so what are the key differences that are ignored?" Well lets see, men are biologically stronger than women, men are generally more hardworking than women( ie look at the number of manual labor jobs occupied by women and look at the number occupied by men.

Now lets get to the REALLY IMPORTANT differences. Media will usually portray a woman as a loving, caring, motherly person, who will do the right thing 100% of the time. We all know this isn't true. Even a feminist cannot say truthfully that women are perfect. Now in real life I've had the OPPOSITE experience. Most women will manipulate you for their own personal gain. Women also are extremely emotional which often interferes with logical decision making.

On to the last part " What about the average womens views/women's behaviour / views frustrate you the most?" Well lets think about this, the average woman expects you to treat her like a princess, buy her flowers, meals, makeup, unnecessary expensive clothing, and new technology as its released. This paired with the fact that every woman I have EVER known, has fished for compliments at one point or another. So, like anything else in life, you have to weigh out the pros and cons. Lets do that now, shall we?

Pros: possibly sex, possibly emotional support, possibly financial support.

Cons: Financial drain, emotional drain, lose half of everything if divorce, have to deal with constant drama, expects you to do heavy lifting because "im a woman"

Notice how all of the pros are only possibilities, whereas all the cons are pretty much guarantees.

Thats why here at MGTOW we go our own way. Its not that we can't "woo" women, or that we hate them, but the effort to reward ratio just isn't appealing enough to pursue women.

One last thing I would like to add, just so maybe you can see from another perspective, Cardi B said she has drugged and robbed men, nobody cares. Yet if a man said the same thing, he would've been investigated ASAP. This can also be seen with all of the female teachers who RAPE children they teach, in middle school or highschool, and get away with no penalties because they are women.

Women don't need more rights, their privileges already outnumber those of men.

PanderjitSingh_k · 2019-12-03T15:15:51+00:00

Imagine someone asking about the differences between Africans and Europeans during a civil rights debate...

No, those who want to deny rights to others (feminists) need to explain their bigotry. Those who want equality do not need to defend their position.

2019-12-03T15:04:19+00:00

Are men and women’s differences underplayed in the media?

Men are regarded as defective women. Therefore, I would assert that the answer is yes. Furthermore, women are portrayed as having the same (if not more) upper body strength than men, even men who are trained soldiers who would in fact have more upper body strength than an average man. Given that an average man has 40% more upper body strength than a woman, this would imply that the media are underplaying men's physical strength.

If so, what are the key differences that’re ignored?

The IQ bell curve: the average woman falls at around 100 IQ. Whereas for men the curve is spread out more, so that you have a higher propensity of geniuses, and a higher propensity of idiots. This is one reason why men are more attracted to working with things, and women are more attracted to working with people. All of the data shows that the more egalitarian a nation becomes (ie the more free choice people have) the more they revert to the male/female preferences.

What about the average women’s behaviour / views frustrates you the most?

i) That the gender earnings gap is due to sexism, rather than women's choice (e.g., choosing lower paying jobs, choosing to work part-time, choosing to take career breaks).

ii) That all men are potential rapists, when in fact rapists are potential rapists. Furthermore, women rape men, and more men are raped per year than women when you include the stats on prison rape.

iii) That men are treated as a resource to be exploited e.g., men are expected to pay for dinner.

iv) That a man's value is depending on his ability to provide e.g., if a man loses his job his Wife will monkey branch to another man.

v) That if a woman is caught cheating, then [a] it is the man's fault for forcing her to cheat, and [b] she will blame him for catching her cheating, rather than accepting that she did a bad thing.

DangZagnut · 2019-12-03T15:19:31+00:00

How is there a debate? There's no debate.

The debate is, go make your own money and pay some taxes for once. That's a statement.

I think you're looking for mens rights activists. Perhaps a similar question should be posed in /r/menslib, since they're so different from feminism and about mens' rights.

AeternusDoleo · 2019-12-03T16:10:01+00:00

We really need a better place for this... is r/askmgtow taken or something?

Title	I’m a male feminist who wants to debate with MGTOW
Author	BrianDescartes
Upvotes	0
Comments	40
Date	December 3, 2019 2:48 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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